Premier League 2022/23 Thread

[Fear Of The Fox]

Klopp has lost the plot. It's absolutely bizarre a team like Liverpool has a player like Tsimikas in the 1st XI. They're lucky they're at 7th place. Their performances are like ours, 12th-13th place max. The same applies to Spurs and Chelsea. Bottom half of the table quality. They're lucky some managers are scared to be more brave with their tactical approach against them. 

[TheStig]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

And yet we've the 2nd most clean sheets in the league up to the World Cup break so it just shows how ridiculous we are. Got to be mental issues or horrendous tactics against the big 6?

We very very rarely bother the "big six". There was a time when we´d at least give them a fight. Nowadays its as if we are happy to get away with a minimal loss. The attitude seems completely wrong and we just roll over most matches. And when we meet teams we should beat - or are supposed to beat - we show no fight og desire and get outmuscled adn outthought. Pretty depressing actually.....

Edited 2 January 2023 by TheStig

[Raj]

MUST WIN.

6 POINTER.

FOXES NEVER QUIT.

KEEP THE FAITH

PIERPOINT OUT

 

Edited 3 January 2023 by Raj

[suffolk fox]

10 hours ago, MPH said:

Micah’s and Jamie’s faces

 

 

As a pundit I love Roy Keane wont be there next season though not woke enough.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

9 hours ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Klopp has lost the plot. It's absolutely bizarre a team like Liverpool has a player like Tsimikas in the 1st XI. They're lucky they're at 7th place. Their performances are like ours, 12th-13th place max. The same applies to Spurs and Chelsea. Bottom half of the table quality. They're lucky some managers are scared to be more brave with their tactical approach against them. 

Klopp has a 7-8 year life cycle, by which point his insistence on having only 15-16 first choice players comes back to bite him. As you say he cannot possibly compete long term with that balance of squad. It basically means every signing has to come off, and as we know that just doesn’t happen (not to mention injuries). He’s also having to transition, particularly up front. Salah is not the player he once was, and Mane had left.

[Grebfromgrebland]

23 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

As a pundit I love Roy Keane wont be there next season though not woke enough.

That's a childish thing to say

[CosbehFox]

25 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

As a pundit I love Roy Keane wont be there next season though not woke enough.

Given he was one of the few vocal on the World Cup being held in Qatar.....

[davieG]

Fans can’t believe ‘delusional’ Jurgen Klopp interview after Liverpool’s dismal defeat against Brentford
Marcus Chan

Published 20:52, 02 January 2023 GMT

The Bees were ahead inside 20 minutes after a corner was deflected into his own net by Ibrahima Konate. Yoane Wissa made it 2-0 three minutes before half time with a brilliant header.

At the start of the second half, Klopp made three changes as he looked to galvanise his side. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain got Liverpool back into the match in the 50th minute but their hopes were dashed by Bryan Mbeumo, who wrapped up the 3-1 victory in the 84th minute.

 

After the match, Klopp showed his discontent over some of the decisions during the match. The German was not happy with the third goal, claiming Konate was fouled before Mbeumo netted.

He said: “The third goal should not be a goal, easy as that! Trying to talk to the officials about it is like trying to talk to my microwave.”

Klopp added that Brentford managed to control the game due to the way the referee whistled the match.

He added: “Brentford could dictate the game because of how it got whistled.

“They stretched the rules. That’s why it’s really difficult. VAR hides behind the phrase ‘not clear and obvious’. The referee needs to explain that.”

Klopp continued: “We had a meeting before the season. The behaviour in the box, the ref will whistle. They don’t do it. I don’t expect anything in our favour. There’s a reason Brentford are so successful with offensive set pieces and not defensive set pieces.”

“The third goal I really cannot respect.”

Fans were quick to react to the Liverpool boss’ comments.

One said: “Was Klopp at a different game? Why has he become so delusional?”

Another tweeted: “He’s always blaming someone.”

A third fan added: “That’s never a foul. Well beaten by far the better side. Does this bloke ever lose without an excuse?”

Someone else wrote: “The only time he don't complain is when they win.”

After the latest setback, Liverpool will take on Wolverhampton Wanderers this weekend as they begin the defence of their FA Cup.

[taupe]

17 hours ago, TJB-fox said:

Liverpool there to be shot at tonight, we should’ve taken points against them. 

In hindsight, it does make our result look 'disappointing' Liverpool are having problems at the moment. That we were unable to capitalise is kinda, um...... yeah...

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Klopp has a 7-8 year life cycle, by which point his insistence on having only 15-16 first choice players comes back to bite him. As you say he cannot possibly compete long term with that balance of squad. It basically means every signing has to come off, and as we know that just doesn’t happen (not to mention injuries). He’s also having to transition, particularly up front. Salah is not the player he once was, and Mane had left.

Most managers do without really good investment. Alex Feguson won title after title but he changed the squad all the time, players were signed for big money. It's similar to Man City now. I listened to Pep the other month talking about winning titles consistently and you need to change the squad to do that, which is right. Liverpool just haven't done it. You look at their depth and it's so poor compared to Man City.

[taupe]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Most managers do without really good investment

They certainly ought be able to, imo. Though obviously a decent academy and recruitment team help. Further, a good manger can do something extra. 

 

The reality for most clubs is making do, both player wise and financially. 

[TJQuik]

3 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

As a pundit I love Roy Keane wont be there next season though not woke enough.

They wouldn't dream of it.

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Fans can’t believe ‘delusional’ Jurgen Klopp interview after Liverpool’s dismal defeat against Brentford
Marcus Chan

Published 20:52, 02 January 2023 GMT

The Bees were ahead inside 20 minutes after a corner was deflected into his own net by Ibrahima Konate. Yoane Wissa made it 2-0 three minutes before half time with a brilliant header.

At the start of the second half, Klopp made three changes as he looked to galvanise his side. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain got Liverpool back into the match in the 50th minute but their hopes were dashed by Bryan Mbeumo, who wrapped up the 3-1 victory in the 84th minute.

 

After the match, Klopp showed his discontent over some of the decisions during the match. The German was not happy with the third goal, claiming Konate was fouled before Mbeumo netted.

He said: “The third goal should not be a goal, easy as that! Trying to talk to the officials about it is like trying to talk to my microwave.”

Klopp added that Brentford managed to control the game due to the way the referee whistled the match.

He added: “Brentford could dictate the game because of how it got whistled.

“They stretched the rules. That’s why it’s really difficult. VAR hides behind the phrase ‘not clear and obvious’. The referee needs to explain that.”

Klopp continued: “We had a meeting before the season. The behaviour in the box, the ref will whistle. They don’t do it. I don’t expect anything in our favour. There’s a reason Brentford are so successful with offensive set pieces and not defensive set pieces.”

“The third goal I really cannot respect.”

Fans were quick to react to the Liverpool boss’ comments.

One said: “Was Klopp at a different game? Why has he become so delusional?”

Another tweeted: “He’s always blaming someone.”

A third fan added: “That’s never a foul. Well beaten by far the better side. Does this bloke ever lose without an excuse?”

Someone else wrote: “The only time he don't complain is when they win.”

After the latest setback, Liverpool will take on Wolverhampton Wanderers this weekend as they begin the defence of their FA Cup.

Jeez. 

 

'I don't expect anything in our favour'. Good, so you shouldn't. That's not how football works because clubs shouldn't be 'favoured' anyway.

 

Whiny & moany Klopp is so predictable after a loss.

[Tommy G]

Wonder when the Liverpool fans will turn on him, tipping point surely soon if things carry on.

[TJQuik]

31 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Wonder when the Liverpool fans will turn on him, tipping point surely soon if things carry on.

Gerrimin

[Torten]

4 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

As a pundit I love Roy Keane wont be there next season though not woke enough.

And when he is still there next season, I trust you'll admit your mistake that there's some woke conspiracy going on I'm sure.

[reynard]

2 hours ago, taupe said:

In hindsight, it does make our result look 'disappointing' Liverpool are having problems at the moment. That we were unable to capitalise is kinda, um...... yeah...

Brentford were at home though and are better than us right now by quite a bit.

[Leicesterpool]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Wonder when the Liverpool fans will turn on him, tipping point surely soon if things carry on.

To Liverpool fans he's a god, I think there pretty patient with him. To be honest is there any decent managers available any better than klopp? 

[taupe]

I know Klopp seems to wind up a lot of people but he makes me laugh. I'm never sure if his sense of humour comes from his creative use of English, or he'd be equally as comical in German. I suspect the latter. He wears his heart on his sleeve and even when he seems to have lost it, I like him.

 

More to the point though, I reckon he's a decent manager if only because he hasn't bought into tiki-taka. He has developed his own distinctive style of play; a high energy and physical approach, solid in the middle and attacking down the flanks. I've always enjoyed watching Liverpool play, if only as a contrast to the all too popular Pep-ball and its wannabes (and I include ourselves in that) 

 

I'd be slightly worried if I were a Liverpool fan because they so seem to have lost a deal of their cohesion and belief. They seemed to me to be fallible in areas were I wouldn't have expected it. I wonder if whatever is going on at the club is unsettling the squad?

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Wonder when the Liverpool fans will turn on him, tipping point surely soon if things carry on.

Not a chance. Klopp is aware enough when to leave as well like he did at Dortmund 

 

Liverpool were here a while back to be fair - but then pulled off nearly half of a season unbeaten and beat us in the process to the top four 

Edited 3 January 2023 by CosbehFox

[Tommy G]

They are at a crossroads because they are up for sale, when the owners are going through a process they are likely to stop chucking their own money in.

Edited 3 January 2023 by Tommy G

[KingsX]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Most managers do without really good investment. Alex Feguson won title after title but he changed the squad all the time, players were signed for big money. It's similar to Man City now. I listened to Pep the other month talking about winning titles consistently and you need to change the squad to do that, which is right. Liverpool just haven't done it. You look at their depth and it's so poor compared to Man City.

 

FSG operate Liverpool like a business.  Not bleeding it dry like the Glazers with Man U, -- but aiming for some degree of profit (not just capital appreciation).  Their net spend on transfers isn't much more than Spurs'.

 

This is along the lines of what most of us would call sustainable.  The problem comes in when you try to compete with oil states, and with huge spasms of spending by billionaires with billionaire egos.  Which of course is what you're competing with at the top of this League.

 

 

[jmono84]

15 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Klopp complaining about Brentford and their tactics.,

 

Is that just because they caused all sorts of problems from set plays as all teams want to do .

 

And the 3rd goal was allowed despite in his eyes there being a push on the Liverpool defender (bad enough for it to be a foul )

I think it was a foul. It’s not the heaviest contact by the Brentford player but the the shoulder in the back has done enough to hit the defender off balance (when he was in a good position) and slip allowing him to get in and score.

 

Sometimes minimal contact is enough to knock a player over, if it was the same amount of contact and the Liverpool guy clearly is playing for a foul then yea it shouldn’t be a foul.

 

I don’t get why VAR can’t be like how Rubgy use it and just have a common sense conversation about an incident. Fvck this clear and obvious shite, how about some common sense to look at incidents. If the ref said they looked at it and said the defender has gone over too easily there for me so I’m going to let the goal stand but this clear and obvious rule is a easy get out for the officials.

[PhillippaT]

6 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Klopp has a 7-8 year life cycle, by which point his insistence on having only 15-16 first choice players comes back to bite him. As you say he cannot possibly compete long term with that balance of squad. It basically means every signing has to come off, and as we know that just doesn’t happen (not to mention injuries). He’s also having to transition, particularly up front. Salah is not the player he once was, and Mane had left.

Still better than the average 3-year cycle we're now suffering from

[Raj]

Swap Klopp for BR please