Christian Eriksen

[Scotch]

2 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

No it isn't madness. That's pretty much the way Liverpool play and they haven't done to badly the last couple of seasons.

Keeper playing as a sweeper, Three at the Back and Two or Three up top with the rest in midfield. That's pretty much how Liverpol have line up a lot last season.

Win the Ball high up the pitch and your opposition wingers are pretty much usless as thet get little or no service.

We'd have Real Pace, Skill and Agression in the side that we lack somewhat at present. The Signing of  Sangare, Eriksen and Collins twould add quality to the squad.

I guess we'll have to wait and see who we do sign to know how we're going to line up next season.

Liverpool play with wing backs. Attacking wingbacks but defensive enough, especially in Robertsons case. 

 

You didn't suggest playing with wing backs, you suggested playing wingers. One of whom being Barnes who doesn't offer a whole lot defensively. And Liverpool play with three up top, one central and the other two naturally drifting left and right to offer options to the wing backs. You suggested one up top with two players who play better centrally in the 10 hole presumably being the option of drifting wide. 

 

It's not how Liverpool line up at all. 

[Raw Dykes]

11 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

No it isn't madness. That's pretty much the way Liverpool play and they haven't done to badly the last couple of seasons.

Keeper playing as a sweeper, Three at the Back and Two or Three up top with the rest in midfield. That's pretty much how Liverpol have line up a lot last season.

Win the Ball high up the pitch and your opposition wingers are pretty much usless as thet get little or no service.

We'd have Real Pace, Skill and Agression in the side that we lack somewhat at present. The Signing of  Sangare, Eriksen and Collins twould add quality to the squad.

I guess we'll have to wait and see who we do sign to know how we're going to line up next season.

Liverpool rely heavily on their wingbacks. You can't play 3 at the back without defensive-minded wide players. We'd be torn to shreds most games.

[Clever Fox]

7 hours ago, Scotch said:

Liverpool play with wing backs. Attacking wingbacks but defensive enough, especially in Robertsons case. 

 

You didn't suggest playing with wing backs, you suggested playing wingers. One of whom being Barnes who doesn't offer a whole lot defensively. And Liverpool play with three up top, one central and the other two naturally drifting left and right to offer options to the wing backs. You suggested one up top with two players who play better centrally in the 10 hole presumably being the option of drifting wide. 

 

It's not how Liverpool line up at all. 

Yes Liverpool do play with wing backs, They also have had Mane and Salah who are both quick so play as wingers supported by the wing backs.

You coild play it with Wing backs which is what Brendan has tried with limited success but mostly failure, Injuries havent helped.

I'd play with 3 up top in a more fluid system with everyone working for the good of the team.

Eriksen and Maddison have enough Nous to play a floating role and the skill to match.

 

One system is more defensive mined the other is more attacking minded. We've failed miserably defensively, So I'd like to see us try the other. 

[Clever Fox]

7 hours ago, Raw Dykes said:

Liverpool rely heavily on their wingbacks. You can't play 3 at the back without defensive-minded wide players. We'd be torn to shreds most games.

Yes they play there part in the Liverpool team, but it's mostly the high press coupled with the pace and skill of their players which is responsible for their success.

We could play with Wing Backs but we don't have the quality up top at present which means we'd spend more time defending and xhasing the Ball.

 

We've got to find a different way, But it will all depends on the signings. Inviting teams onto our Box before we try and stop them is just inviting trouble.

 

We've got to find a different way, But it will all depends on the signings we make.

[Bert]

8 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

No it isn't madness. That's pretty much the way Liverpool play and they haven't done to badly the last couple of seasons.

Keeper playing as a sweeper, Three at the Back and Two or Three up top with the rest in midfield. That's pretty much how Liverpol have line up a lot last season.

Win the Ball high up the pitch and your opposition wingers are pretty much usless as thet get little or no service.

We'd have Real Pace, Skill and Agression in the side that we lack somewhat at present. The Signing of  Sangare, Eriksen and Collins twould add quality to the squad.

I guess we'll have to wait and see who we do sign to know how we're going to line up next season.

Liverpool haven’t played with three at the back for the last 3/4 seasons…. 

[Raw Dykes]

52 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Yes they play there part in the Liverpool team, but it's mostly the high press coupled with the pace and skill of their players which is responsible for their success.

We could play with Wing Backs but we don't have the quality up top at present which means we'd spend more time defending and xhasing the Ball.

 

We've got to find a different way, But it will all depends on the signings. Inviting teams onto our Box before we try and stop them is just inviting trouble.

 

We've got to find a different way, But it will all depends on the signings we make.

I don't think I've ever seen a team play 3 at the back without fullbacks/wingbacks (has anyone? Other than a team with a man sent off, desperate for a goal, of course), and I reckon there's probably a very good reason why not.

 

I'd argue we do have the quality up top. We were the 5th highest scorers in the league the season just gone.

 

Our problem is at the other end. I believe the ridiculous amount of injuries we've had, especially in defence, is the main culprit. We have been a disaster where defending set pieces is concerned. I like Kasper, but we might do well to find a keeper with a better command of his area. We might need a more aerially-dominant CB, as well, or as an alternative to changing the keeper.

 

Re: different way. Maybe. I'd just like to see us play how we did in 2019/20 again. It was the same manager and much the same squad and system as we have now - it was just a joy to watch.

 

I think the top priorities are sorting out the ludicrous amount of injuries and the leaky sieve defence. I can tell you that a back 3 with no fullbacks or wingbacks will not sort the defence out any.

[Steve Earle]

1 hour ago, Raw Dykes said:

I don't think I've ever seen a team play 3 at the back without fullbacks/wingbacks (has anyone? Other than a team with a man sent off, desperate for a goal, of course), and I reckon there's probably a very good reason why not.

 

I'd argue we do have the quality up top. We were the 5th highest scorers in the league the season just gone.

 

Our problem is at the other end. I believe the ridiculous amount of injuries we've had, especially in defence, is the main culprit. We have been a disaster where defending set pieces is concerned. I like Kasper, but we might do well to find a keeper with a better command of his area. We might need a more aerially-dominant CB, as well, or as an alternative to changing the keeper.

 

Re: different way. Maybe. I'd just like to see us play how we did in 2019/20 again. It was the same manager and much the same squad and system as we have now - it was just a joy to watch.

 

I think the top priorities are sorting out the ludicrous amount of injuries and the leaky sieve defence. I can tell you that a back 3 with no fullbacks or wingbacks will not sort the defence out any.

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[adejo92]

Not sure the legitimacy of it but hearing that he's rejected a move to Manchester United.

 

Will be interesting to see where he does go, he's probably just wanting to enjoy playing football after whats happened to him, hence avoiding the pressure, risks & stress of joining a team like Manchester United.

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[Wymsey]

16 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Not sure the legitimacy of it but hearing that he's rejected a move to Manchester United.

 

Will be interesting to see where he does go, he's probably just wanting to enjoy playing football after whats happened to him, hence avoiding the pressure, risks & stress of joining a team like Manchester United.

Agree.

After what happened, he should appreciate being at a club that has given him an opportunity which he has seized very well and should really commit to carrying on with them until it's the right time to retire.

 

Moving to Man Utd really wouldn't do him any favours at all - a club which is like an industrial expensive machine which keeps failing and living on its past glory.

[HybridFox]

Not sure we'll ease his stress being here either 

[Sly]

If he comes here, he’d be looked after. We can’t under estimate his relationship with Kasper and our World Class training and health facilities. 
 

That conversation will have happened. 

[Nicolo Barella]

He has better places to go than here, think its kind of funny that we're having a conversation about him at all. 

[JimJams]

Vestergaard could make himself useful and help out in the Danish fwends aspect. Pays off his fee just by being who he is. A lanky streak of piss who just happens to be from Denmark.

[ARM1968]

Erik will go to UTD in all likelihood. He’s not good enough for us. 🤣

[weller54]

2 hours ago, JimJams said:

Vestergaard could make himself useful and help out in the Danish fwends aspect. Pays off his fee just by being who he is. A lanky streak of piss who just happens to be from Denmark.

Like their bacon you mean?

[kingkisnorbo]

Smart from him to give Manchester United the high hand if reports are true. He’d rot there. Got way too much still to give to waste it on them. 

[Clever Fox]

15 hours ago, Bert said:

Liverpool haven’t played with three at the back for the last 3/4 seasons…. 

Granted, they play with Wing Backs who spend most of the time around the half way line pushing on. Which has worked very well for them.

[Clever Fox]

14 hours ago, Raw Dykes said:

I don't think I've ever seen a team play 3 at the back without fullbacks/wingbacks (has anyone? Other than a team with a man sent off, desperate for a goal, of course), and I reckon there's probably a very good reason why not.

 

I'd argue we do have the quality up top. We were the 5th highest scorers in the league the season just gone.

 

Our problem is at the other end. I believe the ridiculous amount of injuries we've had, especially in defence, is the main culprit. We have been a disaster where defending set pieces is concerned. I like Kasper, but we might do well to find a keeper with a better command of his area. We might need a more aerially-dominant CB, as well, or as an alternative to changing the keeper.

 

Re: different way. Maybe. I'd just like to see us play how we did in 2019/20 again. It was the same manager and much the same squad and system as we have now - it was just a joy to watch.

 

I think the top priorities are sorting out the ludicrous amount of injuries and the leaky sieve defence. I can tell you that a back 3 with no fullbacks or wingbacks will not sort the defence out any.

You've got to have wide players in some capacity as that's where the room is and the Ball spends a ot of time out there.

We've struggled somewhat up top especially while Vardy was out. We should have had a another CF in the squad which could have been the difference in making Europe.

If it wasn't for Maddisons 18 goal contribution we would have been well down the league and scoring leaderboard.

You are right though with our defending has been embarrasing and I'd agree it's probably time to replace Kasper as other teams are well aware of his weakness.

I doubt that's going to happen until next Summer when I'd be happy to give Iversen his big chance if he has another good loan.

There's no doubt injuries played a big part in last season results and Brendan has to be given credit for managing it with some sucess.

I don't have any problems with Brendan really and I think it would be unfair to change him after last season. But I do question why we don't have another CF in the Squad.

Our leaky defense has a lot to do with not stopping teams further up the pitch which is down to the quality of midfielders we have. NDiddi is the only Ball winner we have along with Hamza.

I seen a lot of Hamza playing for the Development side and what he excelled at was getting after the Ball and harring the opposition into mistakes.

Why we haven't used him in that role for the first team is down to the Managers opinion, But I think we've missed seeing him at his best. Maybe it's the free kicks Brendan is worried about.

It really will depend on who we sign as to how we play next seasn and most good teams are built from the back.So we'll have to see how Brendan sorts out our defensive frailties. 

 

 

[Scotch]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

Another CF that could’ve made the difference in Europe? You ain’t gonna get much better back up than Daka and Iheanacho. 

It's not so much about their ability, they have that. It's more that neither are comfortable as a loan striker so when Vardy is out, we really should be playing both of them and we weren't doing that. 

 

We need a striker who can play the Vardy role as well as having the option to go two up. Although... I'm not convinced that, thats CDK. 

[Scotch]

31 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I disagree. They can play up front by themselves fine. Obviously there’s going to be a drop off from Vardy - he’s one of the best strikers in the league. 

Daka, you could maybe make an argument for in being moulded to that role. Nacho? No way. He plays in a completely different way as a lone striker and it's not suited to our style of play at all. He naturally comes deep and plays with his back to goal. Maddison gets the ball in the hole, looks up and Nacho is standing beside him. Youri gets the ball deep, looks up for someone to hit on the break and Nacho is in our half.... Thats fine if he has a partner alongside him or the Wingers are playing narrow but that goes back to not having a striker to plug in Vardys role. The minute he gets injured, we need to completely change our setup and its not because of his quality, its because we don't have anyone who plays in the same way. 

 

Like i said, you have a point with Daka in that he is more similar and could maybe be taught to play that way but he still seems unsure of himself in doing that and benefits more from having someone beside him holding his hand. 

[MPH]

Entice him with Kasper and vesty and then when he’s signed  sack off vesty and move Kasper on because he’s old and if Eriksen complains just promote Iversen to the first team.

[Ric Flair]

58 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Daka, you could maybe make an argument for in being moulded to that role. Nacho? No way. He plays in a completely different way as a lone striker and it's not suited to our style of play at all. He naturally comes deep and plays with his back to goal. Maddison gets the ball in the hole, looks up and Nacho is standing beside him. Youri gets the ball deep, looks up for someone to hit on the break and Nacho is in our half.... Thats fine if he has a partner alongside him or the Wingers are playing narrow but that goes back to not having a striker to plug in Vardys role. The minute he gets injured, we need to completely change our setup and its not because of his quality, its because we don't have anyone who plays in the same way. 

 

Like i said, you have a point with Daka in that he is more similar and could maybe be taught to play that way but he still seems unsure of himself in doing that and benefits more from having someone beside him holding his hand. 

Daka will become a beast here. He took a year of bedding in at Salzburg and then was an absolute weapon, whether he can play thr lone striker role yet remains to be seen but I think he will eventually do it. 

[ronnup]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Daka will become a beast here. He took a year of bedding in at Salzburg and then was an absolute weapon, whether he can play thr lone striker role yet remains to be seen but I think he will eventually do it. 

 

Same, he's so like Vardy in that respect. Raw pace and he can hit the target, just needs the confidence and to learn the league better. 20 goals this season 

[JimJams]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

...and then was an absolute weapon....

That's not a good thing!

 

But I agree on Daka. Think he'll be top level and don't really get the negativity about him from last season.  He had a dry spell in a team that wasn't creating anything. Vardy has had those spells for us too.

[Scotch]

12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Daka will become a beast here. He took a year of bedding in at Salzburg and then was an absolute weapon, whether he can play thr lone striker role yet remains to be seen but I think he will eventually do it. 

I believe he will as well. He didn't have a bad first season.