Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 14 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thomas hasn't looked anywhere close to the level Chilwell was. Strong revisionism here.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 4 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thomas hasn't looked anywhere close to the level Chilwell was. Not true. Have a look back at some of the Chilwell threads when he was Lukes age. Chilwell spent a whole summer developing his physicality and that pushed him to another level.
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 22 July 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 July 2022 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thomas hasn't looked anywhere close to the level Chilwell was. Luke Thomas at 21 has done much more than Chilwell had at that age Luke Thomas has just turned 21, 61 appearances and an FA Cup winners medal (the Final of which he was brilliant in) Chilwell at the time he had turned 21 had made about 20 appearances for us, was right at the start of his career, and had just been too scared to take a throw in vs Millwall 14 6
AKCJ Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 19 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thomas hasn't looked anywhere close to the level Chilwell was. Chilwell wasn't as good as Thomas when he was 21. Chilwell's physicality is what separates the two now. Technically and defensively i'd say they're even. Thomas needs to spend a year in the gym like Chilwell did. 1
AKCJ Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: It's not so much achievements, but more attributes to me. You could see Chilwell was an immense athlete who would be an an asset at both ends of the pitch for us from the start, Thomas has only shown so far signs of being a solid defensive full back - I can't see him having some crazy evolution into a really well-rounded full-back who has it all, but I'd love Thomas to prove me wrong. Could you? He looked like he was a 14 year old until around 2018. He absolutely didn't look like a great athlete until towards the end of his time here.
Fox92 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 10 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Luke Thomas at 21 has done much more than Chilwell had at that age Luke Thomas has just turned 21, 61 appearances and an FA Cup winners medal (the Final of which he was brilliant in) Chilwell at the time he had turned 21 had made about 20 appearances for us, was right at the start of his career, and had just been too scared to take a throw in vs Millwall Chilwell had a strong expierienced left back in front of him (Fuchs). Thomas doesn't have that.
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 4 minutes ago, jv1 said: 100 % agree with this - not even close to Chilwell at that age- id argue Thomas went backwards last season when he should have thrived with the game time- Rodgers doesnt trust him one bit and he doesnt get anywhere near our 11- not even close ....I surmise that people were watching him in blue tinted specs as when he burst on the scene, he was being hailed as better than Chilwell!!! The Leicester lad tag would have been a factor in this, but he was impressive in his games and was a breath of fresh air in our team. He could cross a ball into the box on the run and it would be whipped crosses as opposed to hanging ones for the Keeper to catch or for defenders to easily deal with. It was remarked he had ice in his veins and Fuchs was posting how proud he was at the progress Luke was making under his tutelage. He now seems indecisive in his game, and knowing that your position is constantly under threat, puts added pressure on the matchday game. He has handled the big games well, he needs a full season away from the club in order to develop so it seems.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 Just now, pmcla26 said: I remember in that Everton home game on Boxing Day 2016 he was up and down the flank non-stop, same as Atletico home game in 16/17 too. I remember Thomas scoring a side foot volley into the top corner against Man Utd and was MOM that day too. We can all pick games out. He had Salah in his back pocket at christmas too.
AKCJ Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 minute ago, pmcla26 said: I remember in that Everton home game on Boxing Day 2016 he was up and down the flank non-stop, same as Atletico home game in 16/17 too. I don't doubt his fitness, it's more that he was as weak as piss up until Rodgers got here. I get the same feeling with Thomas.
Clever Fox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 44 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...he has played LB six times in his career!!! He has played CB Sixty-six times. Sorry, I wasn't refering to a straight like for like LB. More that Coldwill would offer more going forward with his Height pace and ability. The fact that he can also play LB is an added bonus, Though I suspect we want to sign him as a Soyuncu replacement. 1
CosbehFox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 15 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Luke Thomas at 21 has done much more than Chilwell had at that age Luke Thomas has just turned 21, 61 appearances and an FA Cup winners medal (the Final of which he was brilliant in) Chilwell at the time he had turned 21 had made about 20 appearances for us, was right at the start of his career, and had just been too scared to take a throw in vs Millwall Chilwell couldn’t use his right foot at 21 either 1
Long Eaton Fox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 10 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Chilwell had a strong expierienced left back in front of him (Fuchs). Thomas doesn't have that. Bertrand 1
RoboFox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 Sadly, I can kind of see him going the way Hamza has. The fans have an affinity towards him because he's an academy product and we want to see more, gets a rare chance and has an unbelievable game and we all start praising him, only for him to look out of his depth for the next few games until he disappears again. Rinse / repeat. A decent offer and I'd sell.
Ric Flair Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 Neither on big wages, nor does he take up space in our 25 man squad. Only reason I'd sell him is if we could pay off all the shit we can't get rid of. 2
The_77 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 41 minutes ago, Babylon said: Thomas hasn't looked anywhere close to the level Chilwell was. Yes— the same Luke Thomas who pocketed Salah is well ahead of Chilwell at the same age.
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 minute ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Bertrand ....the funny thing is, Bertrand could have taken over the Fuchs role as mentor to Luke!!! The overriding disdain towards Bertrand seems to be his ability (or lack of it) on the pitch. He could be a great help in developing Luke, you would have thought it would have been part of his remit, or at least he (Bertrand) made it so. 2
The_77 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 hour ago, Tazfox said: Think I'd be happy for him to go if it means we improve the squad overall. Think the "Leicester lad" bias is strong in this one and people generally overate his performances. Certainly one of those that is not strong in the air and his positioning has cost us at times. I think it’s that some people are more patient with promising young defenders and don’t expect them to put in 10/10 performances each week before they’ve turned 21. I think you’ve fairly identified a few weaknesses in his game but I think he’ll continue to improve and figure out how to make up for some of his weaknesses. Fuchs wasn’t always the strongest in the air but made up for it in other ways, for example. But some of the FT posts slating Thomas are beyond strange. 1
Guest Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 I thought he looked a superb talent when he first broke through but frankly the more I see of him the less convinced I am. Nonetheless I wouldn't be hurrying him out the door. He's got the technique and the composure already so I hope he does what Chilwell did - goes away one summer and returns on another level physically.
Popular Post turlo Posted 22 July 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 July 2022 14 minutes ago, The_77 said: I think it’s that some people are more patient with promising young defenders and don’t expect them to put in 10/10 performances each week before they’ve turned 21. I think you’ve fairly identified a few weaknesses in his game but I think he’ll continue to improve and figure out how to make up for some of his weaknesses. Fuchs wasn’t always the strongest in the air but made up for it in other ways, for example. But some of the FT posts slating Thomas are beyond strange. Him playing in a leaderless calamity back 4 last season wouldn't of done his confidence any good either and likely to be part of the reason he was inconsistent/poor at times. 7
The_77 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 21 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: We are thinking of the same Christian Fuchs, right? He was phenomenal in the air early on for us but was only winning about half of his aerial duels during his last seasons with us. Of course, he’s an amazing athlete but his experience also helped him make up for that. Thomas only just turned 21 and still has plenty of time to reach his peaks physically and mentally as a defender.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 29 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....the funny thing is, Bertrand could have taken over the Fuchs role as mentor to Luke!!! The overriding disdain towards Bertrand seems to be his ability (or lack of it) on the pitch. He could be a great help in developing Luke, you would have thought it would have been part of his remit, or at least he (Bertrand) made it so. That's exactly what he was brought in for 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 minute ago, Long Eaton Fox said: That's exactly what he was brought in for ...there shouldn't be any reason, even though his form has deserted him, that he could not continue to aid Luke in his development!!! You would have thought it would give him an insight into coaching.
Tommy Fresh Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 hour ago, pmcla26 said: It's not so much achievements, but more attributes to me. You could see Chilwell was an immense athlete who would be an an asset at both ends of the pitch for us from the start, Thomas has only shown so far signs of being a solid defensive full back - I can't see him having some crazy evolution into a really well-rounded full-back who has it all, but I'd love Thomas to prove me wrong. His finish at Old Trafford shows he has it in him, folk making out like he's Robbie Neilson.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 22 July 2022 Posted 22 July 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: We sold him at the sweet spot, you are just reinforcing my point surely? I would imagine that Luke's sweet spot might be 1 or 2 years down the line. 1
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