Do we think we will sign anyone else?

[Ricey]

If the finances are as bad as people are making out of course the board and Rudkin have to take most of the blame, but we are trying to keep within the FFP rules and one of the reasons we are struggling is because of the expensive flops that we've signed over the last few seasons. Rodgers takes a decent chunk of that particular blame as he is/was heavily involved in recruitment and it's his job to integrate new players into the team.

 

We've seen with the likes of Soumare, Daka, Praet, Under etc that there is clearly talent there, but none of them ever seem to get the support or the run of games to fully adapt to our league and our team.

[John rayner]

2 hours ago, Dames said:

Nah Rodgers can't be held to account for this.

 

Rudkin needs to be handing in his notice if this is true. Woeful mismanagement of the footballing side of things to land us in such a position. 

 

How have things gotten so bad?

Rudkin is in charge, I'm sorry but he needs to go ,not the first time he has shown he is not up to the job .

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I was told a week or two ago that the club have an £80m financial hole needing to fill. I spoke with those who get to know way more than me and they didn't believe it and went against everything the club have done in their actions this summer. Its now looking remarkably more likely there's an element of truth to what I was told and its a very depressing future for this football club.

If this is true than the board need to take responsibility alongside the flack Rodgers is getting. That’s serious mismanagement.

[SkidsFox]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

We're known for surprises when it comes to players joining, so not losing heart from the links so far and most links are agent talk anyway. 

 

Confident we'll bring in at least a quality CB and a winger. 

Seems unlikely, but here's hoping you're right. Going to be very depressing by Friday if not the case.

[DezFox]

Yes but not anyone good, I would imagine only it will only be players that will only increase our problems. Genuinely going one way and that’s down. If not this year certainly next. 

[lee7]

Even if Fofana goes the longer this transfer drags on the more i believe we will not replace him.

[CloudFox]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I was told a week or two ago that the club have an £80m financial hole needing to fill. I spoke with those who get to know way more than me and they didn't believe it and went against everything the club have done in their actions this summer. Its now looking remarkably more likely there's an element of truth to what I was told and its a very depressing future for this football club.

Bloody hell. Thanks Ric, really appreciate the info. I'd rather know than not, but that is really quite depressing. The only thing I can think that this relates to is Top's fortune being significantly reduced due to COVID, and therefore he has less of an ability to leverage his own personal wealth to help us along.

 

It seems so bizarre that Top would say at the beginning of the window that we would be waiting for some dominoes to fall for us to get some players in at the end of August, and then this situation to arise. What on earth changed, I wonder?

 

I just wish someone would come out and say something to give all the fans some clarity, at least.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Does anyone actually know how much input Brendan has on transfers? I mean really know.  After we buy a player he tends to say how much he tracked them and has been a long time admirer etc but is he just saying that to make the new player feel welcome??

 

I'd be surprised if its as much as people think it is.

 

 

[OriginalRobboFOX]

It strikes me that it may actually be us delaying the Fofana deal to the last minute so we have a “justifiable” reason as to a) why the transfer window hasn’t ever really opened for us - no funds available and b) an excuse for the poor start to the campaign…

 

However, if this is the case this is so short sighted as the expectations of the January window will be huge and what excuse will Susan, Rudkin, Rodgers (assuming he is still here) be able to peddle then 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[FoxesWalk]

If those claiming to have received information on the club finances in this thread have good sources, then we appear to be royally fecked. Ill be lumping on us to be relegated if it appears they are correct as the window closes. 

[daddylonglegs]

Rodgers shouldn't be blamed for us not being able to sign anyone. 

 

He should however be blamed for us being as bad as we are & have been for the best part of a year now. (It's longer obviously but most people agree we've been rubbish for a year).

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

Bloody hell. Thanks Ric, really appreciate the info. I'd rather know than not, but that is really quite depressing. The only thing I can think that this relates to is Top's fortune being significantly reduced due to COVID, and therefore he has less of an ability to leverage his own personal wealth to help us along.

 

It seems so bizarre that Top would say at the beginning of the window that we would be waiting for some dominoes to fall for us to get some players in at the end of August, and then this situation to arise. What on earth changed, I wonder?

 

I just wish someone would come out and say something to give all the fans some clarity, at least.

A point on Top's perceived worth. I don't get how it can go down so much. I get why it hasn't increased in the last 2 years due to covid but to have gone down so much would suggest the net worth is based on the value of the company not the revenue generated and converted in to owners personal wealth. 

[Ricey]

Would we be pushing ahead with the stadium revamp if we really were in a dark place financially?

 

Could the holding back of funds be more down to the fear that we may have to sack the management team at some point soon?

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Ricey said:

Would we be pushing ahead with the stadium revamp if we really were in a dark place financially?

 

Could the holding back of funds be more down to the fear that we may have to sack the management team at some point soon?

Pushing ahead with the stadium expansion isn't quite as clear and concise right now though is it? We've not pulled the plug evidently but the delays may well suit us significantly.

[North Leeds Fox]

Goodness me, what a mess if true. Guess we have to pray for 17th and use the PL money each year to keep us competitive. There needs to be an inquest into how this has happened as this won't have happened overnight.

 

Absolute madness to even sanction improvements to the stadium and still offering big contracts if we are up against it financially. 

 

Obviously need to wait for Friday to see if we have improved, but this is very worrying. 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

If you really want to panic, just remember how many future years PL money is leveraged against the club and how possible relegation is THIS season. Selling Fofana always made more sense this summer for that very reason, the fact the club hadn't planned for that suggests they are deluded as to how bad we are right now. 

[MadsEmil]

28 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I was told a week or two ago that the club have an £80m financial hole needing to fill. I spoke with those who get to know way more than me and they didn't believe it and went against everything the club have done in their actions this summer. Its now looking remarkably more likely there's an element of truth to what I was told and its a very depressing future for this football club.

No offense mate but if we had a 80m hole in our finances, we wouldn't be going ahead with a massive infrastructure project pretty much as planned.

 

 

[K789]

3 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

No offense mate but if we had a 80m hole in our finances, we wouldn't be going ahead with a massive infrastructure project pretty much as planned.

 

 

Are we though? It's just a planning app. Have we started groundworks which I believe we were permitted to do?

[cityfanlee23]

I don't really understand all of this Rudkin bashing recently to be honest. Every club makes good and bad signings sure, but we were fighting for top 6, and top 4 for a couple of seasons, and the last 5-6 years we've made some really solid investments that none of us really complained about until now when we are playing badly, If players like Soyuncu/Ndidi/Tielemans had not fallen off a cliff form wise, our financial position would have been solid, we had a go to compete with the big boys, we can still salvage our financial situation with a couple of sales and start the process again. 

Ndidi was a 60-80m future player a season or so ago, 
Soyuncu was a 60-80m defender during that 18 month purple patch
Justin is a future star
Fofana future world star to be honest

Castagne was worth the £18m 
Tielemans at the time was fully worth the £40m investment
Praet is a £20m player who just can't get a game
Maguire sold for huge profit
Maddison will sell for profit
Pereira really unlucky, easily one of our best players when not injured, cost £20m
Evans one of the pound for pound best deals we've ever made in his short contribution here
Iheanacho has served his £25m signing fee well

Then there is players who didnt work out but were entirely logical - 
Kapustka off the back of a great Euros, young future star (at the time) 
Iborra had reasoning to it
Silva looked a decent signing
Slimani was logical we had absolutely nobody strong upfront and was scoring for fun in portugal
Mendy was logical, he played a similar role to Kante, cost us about £10m?
Soumare looked class in France and was one of the best midfielders in that league at the time. 

Out of all of the signings of the last few years, there's not been a huge amount I can look at and think what the hell are we doing? and most of them came after the arrival of Rodgers/Congerton. 
 

[MadsEmil]

7 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I don't really understand all of this Rudkin bashing recently to be honest. Every club makes good and bad signings sure, but we were fighting for top 6, and top 4 for a couple of seasons, and the last 5-6 years we've made some really solid investments that none of us really complained about until now when we are playing badly, If players like Soyuncu/Ndidi/Tielemans had not fallen off a cliff form wise, our financial position would have been solid, we had a go to compete with the big boys, we can still salvage our financial situation with a couple of sales and start the process again. 

Ndidi was a 60-80m future player a season or so ago, 
Soyuncu was a 60-80m defender during that 18 month purple patch
Justin is a future star
Fofana future world star to be honest

Castagne was worth the £18m 
Tielemans at the time was fully worth the £40m investment
Praet is a £20m player who just can't get a game
Maguire sold for huge profit
Maddison will sell for profit
Pereira really unlucky, easily one of our best players when not injured, cost £20m
Evans one of the pound for pound best deals we've ever made in his short contribution here
Iheanacho has served his £25m signing fee well

Then there is players who didnt work out but were entirely logical - 
Kapustka off the back of a great Euros, young future star (at the time) 
Iborra had reasoning to it
Silva looked a decent signing
Slimani was logical we had absolutely nobody strong upfront and was scoring for fun in portugal
Mendy was logical, he played a similar role to Kante, cost us about £10m?
Soumare looked class in France and was one of the best midfielders in that league at the time. 

Out of all of the signings of the last few years, there's not been a huge amount I can look at and think what the hell are we doing? and most of them came after the arrival of Rodgers/Congerton. 
 

Stop being reasonable. We're broke, we're getting relegated and we're soon going into administration right after selling the KP to Forest as their new ground and it'll be Rodgers coaching them.

[SecretPro]

We are good to go on three (one perm and two loans) but it's all being held up by the Fofana medical.

[MadsEmil]

Seriously sick of all this doom and gloom and self-pity party people are throwing in here

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

Seriously sick of all this doom and gloom and self-pity party people are throwing in here

If it is true though, do you suggest we don't mention it?

[KFS]

4 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

We are good to go on three (one perm and two loans) but it's all being held up by the Fofana medical.

Any hints ? 

[5waller5]

11 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

Stop being reasonable. We're broke, we're getting relegated and we're soon going into administration right after selling the KP to Forest as their new ground and it'll be Rodgers coaching them.

Good! At least they’ll be joining us!!