LCFC 4-0 Wolves - Post Match Thread

[damolcfc]

Anything less than 4th now I'll be disappointed 😆😆😆😉

[Daggers]

15 hours ago, wokinghamfox said:

You forgot

Didn’t know Amos Brearly was from the Black Country.

[Reg Vardy]

10 hours ago, Milo said:

I’d probably feel more comfortable creating 10 chances and winning 2-0 than what we are doing at the moment, tbh. 
 

A win is a win, and I’m obviously happy with it - but a 95ish% conversion rate is never going to be sustainable. 
 

Maybe a bit nit-picky, but we’ve played some absolute dross in Leeds, Palace, Forest and this lot, and still not created huge amounts. 

Difficult to know if we’re any good or not. 

Ffs scored 10 conceded 0.10 points out of 12……Can’t do much more, and the “dross” were all above us at the time……love this forum

[ARM1968]

4 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

Ffs scored 10 conceded 0.10 points out of 12……Can’t do much more, and the “dross” were all above us at the time……love this forum

Yeah we’ve had a good spell that’s true. Does it just paper over the Rodgers cracks or is it a sign that we are surging back towards mid table mediocrity?  Too early to say I think, but done well in our last 4 games. Let’s see where we go from here, is it down to the lake I fear?

[Manini]

Worrying times for Wolves. You can’t let us rock up to your own gaff in the form we’re in and conceded 4 goals. Think we were better yesterday but still not sure we got out of second gear, we were very clinical which is obviously great, but isn’t necessarily sustainable. We won’t keep scoring at the rate we are with the chances we create, we still need to do more in an attacking sense and get in to better areas, as well as not giving as many chances away. Most pleasing thing for me yesterday was the subs, hopefully he’s turned a corner and worked out how he can make effective changes from the bench to keep us in the ascendency. 

Edited 24 October 2022 by Manini

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Manini said:

Worrying times for Wolves. You can’t let us rock up to your own gaff in the form we’re in and conceded 4 goals. Think we were better yesterday but still not sure we got out of second gear, we were very clinical which is obviously great, but isn’t necessarily sustainable. We won’t keep scoring at the rate we are with the chances we create, we still need to do more in an attacking sense and get in to better areas, as well as not giving as many chances away. Most pleasing thing for me yesterday was the subs, hopefully he’s turned a corner and worked out how he can make effective changes from the bench to keep us in the ascendency. 

I only recall once yesterday that we allowed them to break in numbers on transition and get behind us 

 

similarly with Leeds 

 

it could simply be that we aren’t committing numbers forward to generate more opportunities and that’s another reason we aren’t conceding as many good chances. Look at the heat map on the right yesterday- Castagne really didn’t get forward much. How many times did JJ get beyond Barnes ?  Earlier in the season the full backs were going too high and leaving us so exposed 

 

the West Ham and Everton fixtures will be very informative 

[gerblod]

10 hours ago, Milo said:

Difficult to know if we’re any good or not. 

Oh, we're good - in attack we're splendid. Looking at goals for we're well up and better than mid-table. Faes has introduced a significant element of solidity and continuity in the defence.

I don't believe this stops the questioning of Rodgers as manager, but one decent unheralded transfer has stopped the rot temporarily. 

Yet some berk was questioning whether Evan's absence was why we were improving! Truth is, Madders was back and Tielemans put an excellent shift in. If Rodgers can keep their confidence bubbling then he might redeem himself - cos these lads enjoy scoring.

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, damolcfc said:

The thing is overall,  we are now utilising the bench how we should be.

Not getting carried away but feeling great 😊

The difference is we are 2 or more goals to the good when those subs are being made, instead of either trying to protect a slender lead that's inevitably about to be overturned (Bournemouth) or 2nd half capitulation straight from the 2nd half (Spurs and Brighton). Not so sure the subs themselves or the decisions Rodgers has taken are much different, it's just a lot more pleasant an environment to make those changes and the team still see put games well.

 

2 hours ago, Reg Vardy said:

Ffs scored 10 conceded 0.10 points out of 12……Can’t do much more, and the “dross” were all above us at the time……love this forum

I don't think the poster is that unreasonable in pointing this out. They are right that we can't continue to convert 90% or more of our shots on target, so if we don't start creating more then it will be of no surprise if things aren't as good as the last week have been. Another thing to be mindful of too is that despite us winning both these games, we had 35 shots against us. Again, if we start conceding goals again against more efficient sides then it can't come as a surprise.

 

This is where I think the flip flopping of fans get themselves in a pickle. Right now there'll be plenty of " told you so's " or enough fans who weren't that vocal of Rodgers out who will revel in us beating 3 of the most diabolical sides in the league and shake their heads at fans that aren't ready to keep pinning their hopes on a regime that still shows major concerns. 

 

I hope this is a foundation to which we can build on, one that vs the better sides we can still defend well and create enough to score goals to get results and likewise create more overall but as it stands its still way too early to be bowled over. Too much water under the bridge, there's still plenty of hard work to do.

[Manini]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I only recall once yesterday that we allowed them to break in numbers on transition and get behind us 

 

similarly with Leeds 

 

it could simply be that we aren’t committing numbers forward to generate more opportunities and that’s another reason we aren’t conceding as many good chances. Look at the heat map on the right yesterday- Castagne really didn’t get forward much. How many times did JJ get beyond Barnes ?  Earlier in the season the full backs were going too high and leaving us so exposed 

 

the West Ham and Everton fixtures will be very informative 

Yes fair point, certainly doing more defending with the ball in front of us at the minute, and if that’s a deliberate money ball play that’s working then fair enough, but I still don’t think we’ll fare all that well conceding 20+ shots for a sustained period of time (not saying we necessarily will, but even half of that is a lot of shots to be facing). I think their Xg was something like 2.4, better, more clinical teams will punish that. 

[Reg Vardy]

Agree but I was always told if you don’t concede, you don’t lose…..clean sheets just as important as goals scored…..and we got more tackles and blocks in yesterday than we did earlier in the season….next three (sorry 5) games not easy….but if Forest get four from Brighton and Liverpool, what’s to say we won’t do the same….one thing I do think gets overlooked on here is when we go 2-0 up, the need to push drops off, protect what you’ve got….and I think we have done that very well…..we are in a better place….

[Gamble92]

15 hours ago, adam said:

Let's see where we are in a few games time. Don't get carried away pal. 

We were being told we are the worst team ever and we'd beat Derby's record. There was absolutely no redeeming qualities to anything according to some. Them people have already been proved wrong. 

[justfoxes]

11 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

 

This pair seem optimistic 😂

The guy in the white Tee Shirt looks like he’s going to burst into tears any second !😂

Edited 24 October 2022 by justfoxes

[Matt_Lcfc]

51 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

We were being told we are the worst team ever and we'd beat Derby's record. There was absolutely no redeeming qualities to anything according to some. Them people have already been proved wrong. 

Did not hear anybody say this.

[Number 6]

xG: Wolves 2.12 - 0.89 Leicester

xGOT: Wolves 0.31 - 1.49 Leicester

 

Difference was in the quality of finishing. Clearly Wolves identified they needed a finisher with Jiminez out, and got unlucky with the replacement. Costa isn't the answer but they will probably struggle until they do find a solution.

 

One thing we have always had is players who can take chances and it definitely gets us out of jail sometimes when our overall play is fairly poor.

[oxtonfox]

36 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

xG: Wolves 2.12 - 0.89 Leicester

xGOT: Wolves 0.31 - 1.49 Leicester

 

Difference was in the quality of finishing. Clearly Wolves identified they needed a finisher with Jiminez out, and got unlucky with the replacement. Costa isn't the answer but they will probably struggle until they do find a solution.

 

One thing we have always had is players who can take chances and it definitely gets us out of jail sometimes when our overall play is fairly poor.

I read that report from sportinglife.com and they said Leicester have been lucky to win their last two games with xGs of less than one and Leeds and Wolves more than 1. At the end of the day there is only one important stat and that's goals!  We scored SIX and the "stats gurus@ on the website scored ZERO. Enough said.

[Captain...]

17 minutes ago, oxtonfox said:

I read that report from sportinglife.com and they said Leicester have been lucky to win their last two games with xGs of less than one and Leeds and Wolves more than 1. At the end of the day there is only one important stat and that's goals!  We scored SIX and the "stats gurus@ on the website scored ZERO. Enough said.

This is always my issue with xG. If you score an absolute worldy after 10 minutes with an xG of 0.001 it will change the way you play, you don't need to pile forwards looking for that goal, you can control the game whilst the opposition get ragged and have more speculative shots. 

 

If you take the Leeds game how does an own goal get accounted for by xG? It would have been a tap in for Barnes, but he never got the chance to shoot, so we have no xG? Yet we have an actual G.

 

Anyone putting any real stock in xG doesn't understand football. It's an interesting side note of a stat, but ultimately meaningless.

 

 

[Lambert09]

wolves actually really reminded me of ourselves. 
 

They seemed to be playing really well for a while and then just seemed to implode on themselves. Some very random loose back passes, by killman in particular. 

 

I personally think they will be completely fine though, a lot worse sides in the league. 

 

If we maintain doing the basics right, there’s no way we can go down with some of the poor teams around. My initial worries are completely  falling.  All the bright spark from leeds seems to have faded, southampton have no goal threat whatsoever. Bournemouth are just championship players grafting by… how many years have we seen these type of teams drop like hotcakes. The only team i expected to be big candidates that aren’t are everton, who it looks like have found their identity under frank. (credit where it’s due) 

 

Tbh i’d be feeling confident even if i was forest. There’s no huge gulf in class for them, they just need to get game smart. Something that southampton seem to be each season, they get close and then just grind out the big results. 

 

I imagine this is going to be one of the most entertaining relegation fights in a while. Hopefully we aren’t involved in it for much longer and push up to mid table. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 24 October 2022 by Lambert09

[fuchsntf]

8 hours ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Did not hear anybody say this.

Cherry picking posts..???

Derby record was heavy on the Agenda,look back across the forum..

[fuchsntf]

13 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

wolves actually really reminded me of ourselves. 
 

They seemed to be playing really well for a while and then just seemed to implode on themselves. Some very random loose back passes, by killman in particular. 

 

I personally think they will be completely fine though, a lot worse sides in the league. 

 

If we maintain doing the basics right, there’s no way we can go down with some of the poor teams around. My initial worries are completely  falling.  All the bright spark from leeds seems to have faded, southampton have no goal threat whatsoever. Bournemouth are just championship players grafting by… how many years have we seen these type of teams drop like hotcakes. The only team i expected to be big candidates that aren’t are everton, who it looks like have found their identity under frank. (credit where it’s due) 

 

Tbh i’d be feeling confident even if i was forest. There’s no huge gulf in class for them, they just need to get game smart. Something that southampton seem to be each season, they get close and then just grind out the big results. 

 

I imagine this is going to be one of the most entertaining relegation fights in a while. Hopefully we aren’t involved in it for much longer and push up to mid table. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's always entertaining,but when your not involved it becomes irrelevant & major issues are lost often in entitlement thoughts of one's self...

[coolcol]

47 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

wolves actually really reminded me of ourselves. 
 

They seemed to be playing really well for a while and then just seemed to implode on themselves. Some very random loose back passes, by killman in particular. 

 

I personally think they will be completely fine though, a lot worse sides in the league. 

 

If we maintain doing the basics right, there’s no way we can go down with some of the poor teams around. My initial worries are completely  falling.  All the bright spark from leeds seems to have faded, southampton have no goal threat whatsoever. Bournemouth are just championship players grafting by… how many years have we seen these type of teams drop like hotcakes. The only team i expected to be big candidates that aren’t are everton, who it looks like have found their identity under frank. (credit where it’s due) 

 

Tbh i’d be feeling confident even if i was forest. There’s no huge gulf in class for them, they just need to get game smart. Something that southampton seem to be each season, they get close and then just grind out the big results. 

 

I imagine this is going to be one of the most entertaining relegation fights in a while. Hopefully we aren’t involved in it for much longer and push up to mid table. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the hell is wrong with you..... You're much too optimistic for my liking....😳...😉

[foxfanazer]

10 hours ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Did not hear anybody say this.

Because nobody did. Weird thing to make up as well

[Corky]

Our xG will never look great because we generally score brilliant goals and also tend to sit off at 2-0 up. I agree we can be better and do more but if the job is half done then we aren't going to force it.

 

Nottingham Forest's xG was higher than ours but two of their best chances came in the last 10 minutes at 4-0 down.

[Number 6]

6 hours ago, oxtonfox said:

I read that report from sportinglife.com and they said Leicester have been lucky to win their last two games with xGs of less than one and Leeds and Wolves more than 1. At the end of the day there is only one important stat and that's goals!  We scored SIX and the "stats gurus@ on the website scored ZERO. Enough said.

I think calling us lucky is way too far. We have very good finishers at the club and that is a part of the game too. 

 

However, long term our xG and overall patterns of play does need to be looked at. Again on the defensive side as much as the attacking.

[Hamilton Fox]

2 minutes ago, Corky said:

Our xG will never look great because we generally score brilliant goals and also tend to sit off at 2-0 up. I agree we can be better and do more but if the job is half done then we aren't going to force it.

 

Nottingham Forest's xG was higher than ours but two of their best chances came in the last 10 minutes at 4-0 down.

Exactly, sure I read we have scored the most goals this season from outside the area.
 

Oh no we’re really good at shooting from outside the area what will our xg look like.. who cares 

[Number 6]

12 hours ago, Hamilton Fox said:

Exactly, sure I read we have scored the most goals this season from outside the area.
 

Oh no we’re really good at shooting from outside the area what will our xg look like.. who cares 

We should at least care a bit as I think it's part of the story as to why we really struggle against a low block. Been an Achilles' heel for a while now.