Have we performed a U-turn

[Vazman]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

The same people that mock the article will be wanking themselves senseless to stick the boot in once we inevitably lose to Man City.  

 

 

No I dont think so, if / when, we lose, so long as we give it our best shot, then no one will have anything to complain about. 

[Vazman]

7 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

Why do I get the impression some people actually enjoy being relentlessly negative. The article was posing the question have we turned a corner and simply considering the extent to which that might be the case. 
 

Quite a well written and informative article in my view, which is more than be said for the quality of some of the responses.

Yeah bags of effort went into that Article it could have been as simple as saying, "We have beaten 3 teams alot worse than us, could we be making a U turn, signs of improvement in defence, clean sheets and goals time will tell" end of article.

 

Champions League Form, I think he may have copied and pasted the wrong article, from Brendan's first full season here at Leicester, its 100% click bait at its worst, and extremely lazy repotting. 

 

I am thrilled we have collated wins and points on the bounce, but it'll take more successes to change my opinion to, BR has turned it round, maximum respect to the guy, and very well done.

[Nod.E]

Champions League form is quite obviously a reference to the points haul. Nothing more. Nobody is saying we're good enough to be challenging again all of a sudden.

 

Whole article reads as though he's building up to saying that the underlying signs would indicate that we haven't turned a corner. He even concludes by answering his own 'u turn?' question negatively. 

 

The positives leading to that point read as though he's been told not to be so negative and include some positives to produce a more balanced piece.

 

A lot of responses on here display a lack of intelligence. From people reading what they want to read (and be triggered), to demonstrating a solid cross-section of the fickle internet user base today. That is to say I bet most on here didn't read to the end.

 

Do better, folks.

[gerblod]

7 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Because it’s easy and lazy to be a naysayer

I was just thinking that, if prospective posters were obliged to give, as a kind of entrance exam, a reasoned rebuttal to an article like Blackwell's, without using language like "dogshite" and "gutless", there'd be far fewer of these toxic, unpleasant comments on here.

There's a point where criticism transforms into insult - a point which is tolerated here, but which I find to have no value whatsoever.

[Vazman]

3 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Champions League form is quite obviously a reference to the points haul. Nothing more. Nobody is saying we're good enough to be challenging again all of a sudden.

 

Whole article reads as though he's building up to saying that the underlying signs would indicate that we haven't turned a corner. He even concludes by answering his own 'u turn?' question negatively. 

 

The positives leading to that point read as though he's been told not to be so negative and include some positives to produce a more balanced piece.

 

A lot of responses on here display a lack of intelligence. From people reading what they want to read (and be triggered), to demonstrating a solid cross-section of the fickle internet user base today. That is to say I bet most on here didn't read to the end.

 

Do better, folks.

To be honest there was no reason to even mention Champions League Form, given the teams we have beaten own performances, on the other hand had we beat Man City, Arsenal and Newcastle with the same scoreline, it would be worthy of mentioning Champions League form, I do think mentioning it, in an otherwise fair article, the fact we have only beaten teams in worse form than us is hardly Champions  league form no matter how you dress it up, it's also a reminder that we managed the same thing back end of last season beating the 3 teams that got relegated, to secure 8th place. I'll be the first to agree if this Champions league points form tally, equates to a draw or win against the top 6 teams, currently performing at Champions League levels.

[Vazman]

2 hours ago, gerblod said:

I was just thinking that, if prospective posters were obliged to give, as a kind of entrance exam, a reasoned rebuttal to an article like Blackwell's, without using language like "dogshite" and "gutless", there'd be far fewer of these toxic, unpleasant comments on here.

There's a point where criticism transforms into insult - a point which is tolerated here, but which I find to have no value whatsoever.

"Dogshite" and "Gutless" are hardly worthy of a swear box fine, and for some perspective, why say 50 words to describe a Gutless performance, if that's how people see it, commentators have used it on TV, its upto people watching to agree or disagree.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you have, and I agree personal insults are not constructive and unnecessary, but taking an exam, to rebuke an article, so as not to offend, is utter nonsense, this is a forum for supporters to, within reason post what they think, the mods rightly step in when needed.

 

 

[Chico1958]

I didn't even bother reading the article ............................... It's a NO from me  

[SafewayFox]

12 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

The same people that mock the article will be wanking themselves senseless to stick the boot in once we inevitably lose to Man City.  

 

 

Are you ok mate?

 

if someone on here who is overtly Rodgers out even suggested such a sweeping statement they’d be called out for all sorts.

 

The article is pure click bait to get reactions that people (either side of the fence) are allowed to comment on surely? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, SafewayFox said:

Are you ok mate?

 

if someone on here who is overtly Rodgers out even suggested such a sweeping statement they’d be called out for all sorts.

 

The article is pure click bait to get reactions that people (either side of the fence) are allowed to comment on surely? 🤷🏻‍♂️

I am fine thanks - the evidence leading up to my comment was there for all to see, and yes, it is pure click bait but does it warrant such a response? Hardly in my opinion, but everyone has their own

 

The bit in bold, I am sorry? what now?   I am not one for hyperbole and despite Rodgers obvious flaws, and yes, I still think his time is done, to pretend the critique is balanced is laughable

[Nod.E]

2 hours ago, Vazman said:

To be honest there was no reason to even mention Champions League Form, given the teams we have beaten own performances, on the other hand had we beat Man City, Arsenal and Newcastle with the same scoreline, it would be worthy of mentioning Champions League form, I do think mentioning it, in an otherwise fair article, the fact we have only beaten teams in worse form than us is hardly Champions  league form no matter how you dress it up, it's also a reminder that we managed the same thing back end of last season beating the 3 teams that got relegated, to secure 8th place. I'll be the first to agree if this Champions league points form tally, equates to a draw or win against the top 6 teams, currently performing at Champions League levels.

The key word is 'form'. Form simply means recent run of results. Results, without context. i.e. points.

[damolcfc]

Just made everyone think we are rubbish ....

Then waited for Forist to turn up so we could whip up a storm.

😝

[Fear Of The Fox]

8 hours ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

Why do I get the impression some people actually enjoy being relentlessly negative. The article was posing the question have we turned a corner and simply considering the extent to which that might be the case. 
 

Quite a well written and informative article in my view, which is more than be said for the quality of some of the responses.

Someone can make a point we have made some progress without using cringe, laughable one-liners like "Champions League form". Nobody denies our defense is looking more organised but even with a series of clean sheets we still look shaky sometimes at the back. 

I don't think the author of the article told us things we don't know and also he avoided going deep into tactics and Rodgers' decisions which have cost us many dropped points from winning positions. 

We're not being negative, we know this collective of players is fragile regarding psychology and confidence. It's been the case for years now. A team that when it's on full confidence mode can tear apart any opposition but also collapse very easily. It's happening in football but the way it happens to our team many years now is weird and it's down to the manager skills I'm afraid. I'm not talking only about his managerial skills but also his social/human interaction ones. 

[dmayne7]

12 hours ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

Why do I get the impression some people actually enjoy being relentlessly negative. The article was posing the question have we turned a corner and simply considering the extent to which that might be the case. 
 

Quite a well written and informative article in my view, which is more than be said for the quality of some of the responses.

[BWRL]

Don't see the issue with 'Champions League Form' 2 pts a game =76 points.

 

He's in no way saying we're a champions league level team. Just stats used to emphasise the point of an article contrasting our start of the season to subsequent improvement in terms of points on the board

[Trav Le Bleu]

17 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

The same people that mock the article will be wanking themselves senseless to stick the boot in once we inevitably lose to Man City.  

 

 

Inevitably?

 

(You can mock me on Saturday evening. maybe.)

[Ric Flair]

I for one am very eager to see whether the last 5 games count for anything for our future or not. 10 points from these 5 fixtures was bare minimum IMO, given all 5 teams are pure muck and 3 of the games were at home.

 

The gauge of whether this will kick start our season to something that resembles the capabilities of this squad (and therefore quantify whether this regime is still fit for purpose to lead us) will be the next 3 games against harder opposition. I'd not expect a lot from Saturday but vs West Ham and Everton we need to be getting something out of at least 1 of those games at the very least. 3-4 points is being very lenient but anything less than that and im still unmoved in my opinion on Rodgers and his staff. It would take proving me wrong significantly to change my mind and that's important, there are far too many fans that flip flopping between in and out based on a couple of results.

[Guest]

Some quite strong responses to what is a pretty harmless article, especially given most of the objections raised either in this thread or elsewhere - it's only a few games, enthusiasm tempered by how bad the start was, crap opposition, much sterner tests ahead, allowing too many shots, overly reliant on individual quality, still lots of work to do etc. - are addressed by the author. Also, he's not said "this Leicester team look good enough to qualify for the Champions League", he's said 2 points per game is Champions League form, which it is. The only real problem I've got with it is the idea that Rodgers "has stoically got on with his job", which I would hotly dispute.

[Fox92]

18 hours ago, Dusty said:

Whilst he’s clearly got carried away, the over reaction here is ridiculous as well. Even when the football is going well you lot still find something to get annoyed about.

Tbf I've always thought he writes shit. I just never had chance to say it in a thread.

[Nick]

I’ve never been firmly in the Rogers out camp like I was with Puel, but I was not adverse to making a change in the manager after the poor start to the season... For me he’s not turned things around yet but is beginning to show clear progress. I feel that if he can get 4 points or more out of the next three then he’ll certainly continue to have my backing. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we took 3 points from Man City, drew against West Ham and then got smashed by Everton... 

[cruzFOX]

Baby steps it is. Like Claudio once said one game at a time. As high as confidence is right now man city will be one hell of a test of that. Play without fear and fight for every ball we may scrape a point or if city have an off day we could get all 3. We may play well and narrowly lose by a goal as long as the performance was good. Keep it real please!

[Dames]

Whilst I'm happy we've won some games and managed to get out of the relegation zone I'm still skeptical we've turned a corner. If we get 6 or more points from the next 3 games with 2 of them against teams we should be competing with then it can be considered turning a corner. 

 

3-4 points would mean we are some way off any sort of good form and will probably barely scrape through the season and have to rely on other teams being worse. Anything less than 3 points and we'll be right back at the bottom and bang in trouble. 

[norwichfox]

It's not a big enough indicator, as Ric Flair says. I still want to see Rodgers out. I accept that he put in a decent managerial performance against Wolves, and I just can't wait to see who he freezes out and how he'll give us a fighting chance against Man City.

[gerblod]

On 26/10/2022 at 06:52, Vazman said:

"Dogshite" and "Gutless" are hardly worthy of a swear box fine, and for some perspective, why say 50 words to describe a Gutless performance, if that's how people see it, commentators have used it on TV, its upto people watching to agree or disagree.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you have, and I agree personal insults are not constructive and unnecessary, but taking an exam, to rebuke an article, so as not to offend, is utter nonsense, this is a forum for supporters to, within reason post what they think, the mods rightly step in when needed.

 

 

Note the word "if".

[Suzie the Fox]

So.. What we say now? Have we ... 

[tom27111]

Brendan at the wheel