Azzedine Ounahi

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I think that comprehension is exactly why it should be considered, as you cannot have one player being relied upon so heavily, you have to be able to shift the responsibility to multiple players. To get them you need cash, to get cash you sell what has value. 

I agree we shouldn't rely on one player but replacing one player with one that doesn't score or assist is an absolute disgrace. What we have been crying out for is a RW who scores and assists to add to Maddison and Barnes and if we then had a centre forward who also scored goals then very quickly we become a team looking up instead of down. 

[Gerard]

12 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

If he doesn't sign an extension he has to go in my opinion.  We'll still have the same problem when he leaves the following summer, but without any cash from his sale.  Let's not repeat the mistakes of last summer.  

 

I've always thought when a player has two years left on his deal then that's the equilibrium between player and club in the power of a transfer. I'd be looking to sell anyone who is "keeping their options open" at this time especially players who are 25 and younger. I'd entertain any offer of £50m for Maddison this January and cash offer for Tielemans of £8m+.

 

The problem over the last few years with our club is that we can only sell our best players, the last time we actually sold a player that we actively wanted to sell for decent money was Musa 4.5 years ago. Too many players come here for decent money and hang around like a bad smell before leaving on a free and it's costing us.

 

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I clearly remember Rob Tanner mentioning that City found Newcastle's approach unwelcome and the offer borderline insulting. So they've made their own negotiations harder than they should be.   pissing off a party is not good start point for negotiating. 

 

On the flipside, reading between the lines, City have always managed to deal amicably and professionally with both Chelsea and Man Utd for transfers. So, it seems Newcastle have lots to learn

We dealt amicably with Abramovich Chelsea - I don’t think the same will be true of boehly.  

[Gerard]

2 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Thats terrible business

 

Really?

 

What would the minimum fee you would sell him for?

[StriderHiryu]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Thing is, people were annoyed that we did not maximise the value of players when they are peak or close to peak value, therefore, should we not sell Maddison now? Or latest in the Summer? This is of course fraught with risk, as we need to mitigate the loss of his contributions.

I'm one of the few that does not care that we havent maximised the value of players. Football is about winning trophies, not generating a large number on the bank balance.

 

- Southampton over the years sold Van Dijk, Mane, Shaw, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Walcott, etc. Where are they now? Sacked their manager and looking like getting relgated.

- Brighton sold Cucurella, Bissouma, White, Burn. What have they won? Nothing at all, and just got raided for their entire coaching setup, and their Technical Director went to Newcastle.

 

I don't care if Tielemans goes on a free, don't care if Soyuncu does the same. We were mixing it at the top of the table, won the FA Cup, got to the league cup semi finals and Conference League semi-finals too. Maybe we could have done better, but that is pretty good. I feel proud to support this team, they did something and left their mark. Some of the performances over the last 10 years have given me tears of happiness!

 

IMO to run a succesful club without spending a ton isn't just about selling players every couple of seasons to make more money. Somewhere in the equation has to be on the field success too, and we are the only team outside of the Elite clubs to really have some sort of sustained success doing it.

 

What is likely is that we might need another 5 years before we can challenge top 6 again. To do so we probably have to invest in young players and endure a few frustrating seasons... think back to the Puel era. But keep a good bunch of youngsters together for a while and then you might be able to do something.

 

Maddison I think will go but only because the player will want to go. If we don't have a competitive team for him to play in, I would understand if he wants to go somewhere to challenge for trophies because he's at the level where he should expect to do that and has given us a number of good years already. He's like Mahrez but without the drama.

 

As for Ounahi... he's pretty good. Not a banker by any stretch of the imagination but well worth a punt. Ultimately that is Leicester in a nut shell. We can't sign sure-fire hits because other clubs with more finances get them. There will always be an element of jeapordy in whom we sign. There have been many failures, but we've also had Vardy, Kante, Mahrez, Ricardo, Maddison, Huth, Morgan, Schmeichel, Maguire (for us he was very good), Fofana, Tielemans, etc. Statistically we probably have one of the better hit rates in the division!

 

 

 

 

Edited 31 December 2022 by StriderHiryu

[Bordersfox]

Just now, Gerard said:

 

I've always thought when a player has two years left on his deal then that's the equilibrium between player and club in the power of a transfer. I'd be looking to sell anyone who is "keeping their options open" at this time especially players who are 25 and younger. I'd entertain any offer of £50m for Maddison this January and cash offer for Tielemans of £8m+.

 

The problem over the last few years with our club is that we can only sell our best players, the last time we actually sold a player that we actively wanted to sell for decent money was Musa 4.5 years ago. Too many players come here for decent money and hang around like a bad smell before leaving on a free and it's costing us.

 

I know some people will blast that view as lack of ambition but I think it is more realism.  We are a selling club and I agree if a player is messing about in the last two years of their contract then, as laudable as it is to want to keep our best players, we need to try and get a return on them.

 

Tielemans' form has also dropped off as his contract has run down.  I don't put this down to lack of professionalism or want of trying.  More human nature.  Subconsciously we all check out a bit of we're nearing the end of a job or a project.  It's almost impossible not to start looking forward.

 

I'd love Maddison to sign an extension with perhaps a release clause but it just seems highly unlikely so I'd rather get some money in for him. 

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

We dealt amicably with Abramovich Chelsea - I don’t think the same will be true of boehly.  

Yes, true. There was the Russian sounding name woman who ran the transfers there who's since left. Ditto Ed Woodward at Man U. 

 

In both cases, both were happy to pay the price (even Kante deal where we felt short changed Chelsea actually paid 10m more than his release clause to get the deal done) .

 

Pay the price and the seller is far more open to striking a deal. Hardball is a fool's game if the seller is reluctant

[majaco]

1 hour ago, LCFC2016 said:

Highly likely this is unrelated but Ounahi posted on his Instagram story of him being at 'Aéroport D'orly' at about midnight, similar time to when l'equipe first said we had placed a bid... 👀

The right wing debate continues but he's not going to be the club photographer

[Bordersfox]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

Yes, true. There was the Russian sounding name woman who ran the transfers there who's since left. Ditto Ed Woodward at Man U. 

 

In both cases, both were happy to pay the price (even Kante deal where we felt short changed Chelsea actually paid 10m more than his release clause to get the deal done) .

 

Pay the price and the seller is far more open to striking a deal. Hardball is a fool's game if the seller is reluctant

It is a fools game generally. 

 

Unfortunately we have that added factor of a player himself pushing for the move (e.g. Fofana). That's where the big 6 are at a huge advantage particularly where they are unsettling players or if player wants a move to a particular club.  They can then play hardball even when the seller is reluctant.  

[StanSP]

It's not a position we need to strengthen, so I hope we're still gonna get plenty of money to buy a winger and CB... 

[Dahnsouff]

13 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I'm one of the few that does not care that we havent maximised the value of players. Football is about winning trophies, not generating a large number on the bank balance.

 

- Southampton over the years sold Van Dijk, Mane, Shaw, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Walcott, etc. Where are they now? Sacked their manager and looking like getting relgated.

- Brighton sold Cucurella, Bissouma, White, Burn. What have they won? Nothing at all, and just got raided for their entire coaching setup, and their Technical Director went to Newcastle.

 

I don't care if Tielemans goes on a free, don't care if Soyuncu does the same. We were mixing it at the top of the table, won the FA Cup, got to the league cup semi finals and Confernce League semi-finals too. Maybe we could have done better, but that is pretty good. I feel proud to support this team, they did something and left their mark. Some of the performances over teh last 10 years have given me tears of happiness!

 

IMO to run a succesful club without spending a ton isn't just about selling players every couple of seasons to make more money. Somewhere in the equation has to be on the field success too, and we are the only team outside of the Elite clubs to really have some sort of sustained success doing it.

 

What is likely is that we might need another 5 years before we can challenge top 6 again. To do so we probably have to invest in young players and endure a few frustrating seasons... think back to the Puel era. But keep a good bunch of youngsters together for a while and then you might be able to do something.

 

Maddison I think will go but only because the player will want to go. If we don't have a competitive team for him to play in, I would understand if he wants to go somewhere to challenge for trophies because he's at the level where he should expect to do that and has given us a number of good years already. He's like Mahrez but without the drama.

 

As for Ounahi... he's pretty good. Not a banker by any stretch of the imagination but well worth a punt. Ultimately that is Leicester in a nut shell. We can't sign sure-fire hits because other clubs with more finances get them. There will always be an element of jeapordy in whom we sign. There have been many failures, but we've also had Vardy, Kante, Mahrez, Ricardo, Maddison, Huth, Morgan, Schmeichel, Maguire (for us he was very good), Fofana, Tielemans, etc. Statistically we probably have one of the better hit rates in the division!

I hear what you saying, you old romantic, but at some point it does come down to bank balance and you aren’t going to remain viable by winning FA Cups, or scrapping into the  ECL, you either get much greater outside investment or you resign yourself to the fact that selling players you would rather not sell, IS a valid strategy. Surely this is what Seagrave is all about? And unless you rely on Seagrave almost entirely you will need cash, likely from sales, to buy these bright young lads to develop.

[majaco]

53 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I hope he's not a Maddison replacement, I swear some don't comprehend the importance of goals in football. Maddison brings 15-20 goal contributions a season in the league, without that we'd be relegated.

if there was one player we could keep, for me it would Maddison.  i think he will go; for me he would be an asset to any team.   To prepare for that eventuality, last summer's rebuild needs to gain some momentum,  Ounahi could be good business as one of a few coming in.   

 

Tielemans may find if he moves away, he would have been better off staying.  His limitations mean that although he is an impressive player, he may become a squad player at a wealthy club.

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, LCFC2016 said:

Highly likely this is unrelated but Ounahi posted on his Instagram story of him being at 'Aéroport D'orly' at about midnight, similar time to when l'equipe first said we had placed a bid... 👀

Maybe he's doing a Mahrez?

[Ric Flair]

23 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I'm one of the few that does not care that we havent maximised the value of players. Football is about winning trophies, not generating a large number on the bank balance.

 

- Southampton over the years sold Van Dijk, Mane, Shaw, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Walcott, etc. Where are they now? Sacked their manager and looking like getting relgated.

- Brighton sold Cucurella, Bissouma, White, Burn. What have they won? Nothing at all, and just got raided for their entire coaching setup, and their Technical Director went to Newcastle.

 

I don't care if Tielemans goes on a free, don't care if Soyuncu does the same. We were mixing it at the top of the table, won the FA Cup, got to the league cup semi finals and Confernce League semi-finals too. Maybe we could have done better, but that is pretty good. I feel proud to support this team, they did something and left their mark. Some of the performances over teh last 10 years have given me tears of happiness!

 

IMO to run a succesful club without spending a ton isn't just about selling players every couple of seasons to make more money. Somewhere in the equation has to be on the field success too, and we are the only team outside of the Elite clubs to really have some sort of sustained success doing it.

 

What is likely is that we might need another 5 years before we can challenge top 6 again. To do so we probably have to invest in young players and endure a few frustrating seasons... think back to the Puel era. But keep a good bunch of youngsters together for a while and then you might be able to do something.

 

Maddison I think will go but only because the player will want to go. If we don't have a competitive team for him to play in, I would understand if he wants to go somewhere to challenge for trophies because he's at the level where he should expect to do that and has given us a number of good years already. He's like Mahrez but without the drama.

 

As for Ounahi... he's pretty good. Not a banker by any stretch of the imagination but well worth a punt. Ultimately that is Leicester in a nut shell. We can't sign sure-fire hits because other clubs with more finances get them. There will always be an element of jeapordy in whom we sign. There have been many failures, but we've also had Vardy, Kante, Mahrez, Ricardo, Maddison, Huth, Morgan, Schmeichel, Maguire (for us he was very good), Fofana, Tielemans, etc. Statistically we probably have one of the better hit rates in the division!

 

 

 

 

Only thing I will say to this is, we achieved success whilst cashing in on players such as Maguire and Chilwell and not when seemingly maxing out our spending keeping the likes of Tielemans etc.

 

It's difficult to always get right, but once players start running their contracts down and there's already financial issues then the writing is on the wall. I don't see how we rebuild properly, we are only going one way.

[brookfox]

Just watched an obligatory YouTube video. I thought they broke the mould when they made Mahrez, but they clearly used part of it to make this guys legs.

[StriderHiryu]

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I hear what you saying, you old romantic

 

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I hear what you saying, you old romantic, but at some point it does come down to bank balance and you aren’t going to remain viable by winning FA Cups, or scrapping into the  ECL, you either get much greater outside investment or you resign yourself to the fact that selling players you would rather not sell, IS a valid strategy. Surely this is what Seagrave is all about? And unless you rely on Seagrave almost entirely you will need cash, likely from sales, to buy these bright young lads to develop.

What I'm saying is that you need a balance. It's not always about keeping players, but also not always about selling them either. I think overall we haven't been too bad at it, the Chilwell one was a great example of how we improved the squad overall despite losing a good player. Maddison might also be a good example, this is his 4th season and we won something whilst he was here. Selling him now I wouldn't have too much of an issue with. Fofana was the opposite of that, but the player forced our hand and was an utter shite about it.

 

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Only thing I will say to this is, we achieved success whilst cashing in on players such as Maguire and Chilwell and not when seemingly maxing out our spending keeping the likes of Tielemans etc.

 

It's difficult to always get right, but once players start running their contracts down and there's already financial issues then the writing is on the wall. I don't see how we rebuild properly, we are only going one way.

Come on Ric, the new year is round the corner! Let's have a bit more positivity lad. 2000 likes and we complete the rebuild with some up and coming Brazllian wonderkid ar Right Wing!

 

As stated above, I think we will take a back seat for a few more seasons. I expect us to tread water for a bit until all stadum developments are done and for Rodgers contract to expire. Waiting for that to happen might be frustrating but looking back at our return to the Premier League to today, we've done well. I think an unexpected setback in Covid was the spanner in the works, and no one saw that coming.

[Ric Flair]

32 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

What I'm saying is that you need a balance. It's not always about keeping players, but also not always about selling them either. I think overall we haven't been too bad at it, the Chilwell one was a great example of how we improved the squad overall despite losing a good player. Maddison might also be a good example, this is his 4th season and we won something whilst he was here. Selling him now I wouldn't have too much of an issue with. Fofana was the opposite of that, but the player forced our hand and was an utter shite about it.

 

Come on Ric, the new year is round the corner! Let's have a bit more positivity lad. 2000 likes and we complete the rebuild with some up and coming Brazllian wonderkid ar Right Wing!

 

As stated above, I think we will take a back seat for a few more seasons. I expect us to tread water for a bit until all stadum developments are done and for Rodgers contract to expire. Waiting for that to happen might be frustrating but looking back at our return to the Premier League to today, we've done well. I think an unexpected setback in Covid was the spanner in the works, and no one saw that coming.

Angelo Gabriel please 🙏🙏🙏

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Newcastle have been linked with Tielemans and they'll want to do some business in January to solidify their push for Champions League.

 

If we could get £10m for Tielemans then it's good business for all concerned.

£10m? Are you mad? 

[TJQuik]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

£10m? Are you mad? 

We're going to lose him for nothing in the summer then.

Edited 31 December 2022 by TJQuik

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

£10m? Are you mad? 

 

As I said to @South Shire Fox what price is the minimum you would accept in January?

[Pliskin]

6 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

As I said to @South Shire Fox what price is the minimum you would accept in January?

Surely £18-20? That can’t be too much? 

[Gerard]

20 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Surely £18-20? That can’t be too much? 

 

Well that would mean Newcastle paying about £1m per game for Tielemans between now and the end of the season for a player they can pick up for free in six months. 

 

If we can get an offer of about £8m it's worth considering for us.

[st albans fox]

44 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Surely £18-20? That can’t be too much? 

Double what you’ll get if you’re v v lucky …

 

and the player won’t move anyway now 

[Gerard]

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Double what you’ll get if you’re v v lucky …

 

and the player won’t move anyway now 

 

He will for the right club.

 

Can still command a good salary or signing on fee and it gives him security from getting a terrible injury and potentially being out the game for a year plus. It's also not another six months of his career gone seeing his time out here and I can't see him getting silly wages of 200k a week anyway. Pros and cons if there was an interesting potential move in January.

[Haywood_6]

Looks like a Morrocan Lloyd Dyer with those spindley legs