Bordersfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 3 minutes ago, MPH said: We have to be preparing for either Tielemans or madders leaving. I don’t see that we’d invest this kind of money without something coming in Didn't spend too much of the Fofana money I guess in the summer. Surely we will get very little for Tielemans now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Can play a few roles in a 4141 or a 4231 , so makes sense. Maddison replacement for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty98 Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Doesn't fill me with confidence. Seems similar to Soumare stat wise. Supposedly good at progressing the ball but doesn't score or assist... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: We may not be directly replacing him like for like - he doesn’t suit a 4-3-3. Planning for life without a no 10 We would need a top RW to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: If we are buying him, Praet deal away must be done, so maybe 8-10m in. We need to spend whether it's now or in the summer. That would make the most sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ric Flair Posted 31 December 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 31 December 2022 Just now, ronnup said: Can play a few roles in a 4141 or a 4231 , so makes sense. Maddison replacement for sure I hope he's not a Maddison replacement, I swear some don't comprehend the importance of goals in football. Maddison brings 15-20 goal contributions a season in the league, without that we'd be relegated. 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Thing is, people were annoyed that we did not maximise the value of players when they are peak or close to peak value, therefore, should we not sell Maddison now? Or latest in the Summer? This is of course fraught with risk, as we need to mitigate the loss of his contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I hope he's not a Maddison replacement, I swear some don't comprehend the importance of goals in football. Maddison brings 15-20 goal contributions a season in the league, without that we'd be relegated. I don't think we're going to get someone as good as Maddison to replace him though, sadly. I do agree with you though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Never like the idea of buying a player based on a World Cup. His stats don’t fill me with confidence either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 7 minutes ago, MPH said: We have to be preparing for either Tielemans or madders leaving. I don’t see that we’d invest this kind of money without something coming in It's as much about wage bill, which will be 500k less in 6 months. Summer also see a drop of amortisation of transfers fees in the accounts as player contacts expire. For example 10m each season is accounted on the balance sheet for Youri transfer fee (40m ÷ 4 year contract =10m). Financial we are in a much better place in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: That would make the most sense I was thinking he's more of a Youri, Praet replacement in one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I hope he's not a Maddison replacement, I swear some don't comprehend the importance of goals in football. Maddison brings 15-20 goal contributions a season in the league, without that we'd be relegated. I think that comprehension is exactly why it should be considered, as you cannot have one player being relied upon so heavily, you have to be able to shift the responsibility to multiple players. To get them you need cash, to get cash you sell what has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Thing is, people were annoyed that we did not maximise the value of players when they are peak or close to peak value, therefore, should we not sell Maddison now? Or latest in the Summer? This is of course fraught with risk, as we need to mitigate the loss of his contributions. I would agree if we were selling to the likes of chelsea or manchester united but newcastle under their new ownership seem like massive penny pinchers, doubt that we would be able to get a good price out of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 10 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We may not be directly replacing him like for like - he doesn’t suit a 4-3-3. Planning for life without a no 10 Agreed hence why I think we will bring in a genuine right winger too, as we will need to make sure we replace the goal involvements of both Madders and Tielemans next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Just now, honeybradger said: I would agree if we were selling to the likes of chelsea or manchester united but newcastle under their new ownership seem like massive penny pinchers, doubt that we would be able to get a good price out of them Probably have to wait for Summer when they are in Europe and have more cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrispinLA in Texas Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Hope he doesn't get lonely here as others coming from abroad have.....Soyuncu being an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordersfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Thing is, people were annoyed that we did not maximise the value of players when they are peak or close to peak value, therefore, should we not sell Maddison now? Or latest in the Summer? This is of course fraught with risk, as we need to mitigate the loss of his contributions. If he doesn't sign an extension he has to go in my opinion. We'll still have the same problem when he leaves the following summer, but without any cash from his sale. Let's not repeat the mistakes of last summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 Just now, Dahnsouff said: Probably have to wait for Summer when they are in Europe and have more cash I just remember over the summer the narrative coming out of Newcastle's club mouthpieces was that we were a difficult club to deal with and looking for unreasonable sums of money when we turned down their bids of 40-50m. I get the feeling they will try to hardball us no matter the circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 1 minute ago, honeybradger said: I just remember over the summer the narrative coming out of Newcastle's club mouthpieces was that we were a difficult club to deal with and looking for unreasonable sums of money when we turned down their bids of 40-50m. I get the feeling they will try to hardball us no matter the circumstances Fair point, then we would need to expand the market 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordersfox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 1 minute ago, honeybradger said: I just remember over the summer the narrative coming out of Newcastle's club mouthpieces was that we were a difficult club to deal with and looking for unreasonable sums of money when we turned down their bids of 40-50m. I get the feeling they will try to hardball us no matter the circumstances You'd like to think there are more clubs than just Newcastle in for him. He's been outstanding recently. In which case if they don't like the price they can bugger right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 10 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said: Never like the idea of buying a player based on a World Cup. His stats don’t fill me with confidence either. big article in the Merc a week ago explaining how we’ve been tracking him since way before the World Cup.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 2 hours ago, Pliskin said: Is Youri potentially going then? Perhaps this is why we’re getting him in now? Newcastle have been linked with Tielemans and they'll want to do some business in January to solidify their push for Champions League. If we could get £10m for Tielemans then it's good business for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paninistickers Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 3 minutes ago, honeybradger said: I just remember over the summer the narrative coming out of Newcastle's club mouthpieces was that we were a difficult club to deal with and looking for unreasonable sums of money when we turned down their bids of 40-50m. I get the feeling they will try to hardball us no matter the circumstances I clearly remember Rob Tanner mentioning that City found Newcastle's approach unwelcome and the offer borderline insulting. So they've made their own negotiations harder than they should be. pissing off a party is not good start point for negotiating. On the flipside, reading between the lines, City have always managed to deal amicably and professionally with both Chelsea and Man Utd for transfers. So, it seems Newcastle have lots to learn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudger63 Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 28 minutes ago, ronnup said: Can play a few roles in a 4141 or a 4231 , so makes sense. Maddison replacement for sure Doesn't reallly score or assist, so hope he's not a Maddison replacement! Tidy player but more Praet than Maddison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Shire Fox Posted 31 December 2022 Share Posted 31 December 2022 16 minutes ago, Gerard said: Newcastle have been linked with Tielemans and they'll want to do some business in January to solidify their push for Champions League. If we could get £10m for Tielemans then it's good business for all concerned. Thats terrible business 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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