Next seasons squad

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Ted Maul said:

Cags is getting attention from Atletico now. Ridiculous to think we wouldn't have got £30m at his peak and even more ridiculous that he's not been able to get near the team this season.

The depraciation of our squad value has been extraordinary. I thought about three years ago we had a good 10 players we could take money on and have a steady window off the back of it. Now you're looking at basically about one or two.

 

We have squandered this big style make no mistake. The Soyuncu situation sums it up.

[Aus Fox]

2 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

We're very quickly turning into Southampton. Before us they were the club most clubs outside the big six aspired to be like and now they're dogshit with no players the big sides want. That's us this time next year.

Look at the history of the PL, that’s every club outside the big boys - It’s always been Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. Chelsea, Man City have joined them through ridiculous amounts of money and it now looks like Newcastle are going to join them.

Over the time since the PL began numerous teams have had a go at joining them, but ultimately fell away and in some cases almost bankrupted the club in the process. 
Villa, Leeds, Everton, Newcastle, Blackburn, West Ham, Southampton and us have all had a relatively successful period challenging the big six, but after a couple of seasons have fallen away. The only team that’s managed to stay with them is Spurs and they’ve won **** all in the process.

Looking at that list, we’re the only team who has actually won all the trophies in the premier league era. 
We’ve been successful, but now, like all other challengers, we’re being put back down a peg or two.

[whoareyaaa]

8 hours ago, Mike1983 said:

Sorry but talking about getting rid of players who are not good enough, while also including Ward in the next seasons line-up doesn’t make any sense.

I also said that we could do with replacing him but can see us keeping him hence why he is in there

[Sly]

7 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

We're very quickly turning into Southampton. Before us they were the club most clubs outside the big six aspired to be like and now they're dogshit with no players the big sides want. That's us this time next year.

We’ve only got:

 

A carbon copy stadium

A few terrible defenders

A few scouts and head of recruitment 

 

….

[Sly]

We could in theory start purchasing players that are out of contract. 
 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

 

You’d build a half decent team in fairness from those. 

[TJQuik]

13 minutes ago, Sly said:

We could in theory start purchasing players that are out of contract. 
 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

 

You’d build a half decent team in fairness from those. 

I like the look of that Tielemans bloke

[Steve Earle]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

We could in theory start purchasing players that are out of contract. 
 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

 

You’d build a half decent team in fairness from those. 

Didn't know Leandro Trossard was out of contract in the summer...

[Nicolo Barella]

I'll be more excited if we get a new manager to be honest. One more suited to building off defensive fundamentals, ignoring possession and focusing on counterattacking and a strong press.

A front line of Barnes Iheanacho Daka and someone new on the right wing when Maddison leaves, ideally someone in the mould of Almiron, would be a really strong attacking base to build off for a side that doesn't aim to control possession. 

 

Of course, we'd still need to nail at a minimum the RW, 2 CMs, and a CB as excellent signings, ideally with another centre back, goalie, and other signings as well turning out well. So it's a big ask but I can see a way back to success.

[cruzFOX]

If I had a dollar for every time I hear we will soon offload our dead wood! Seriously I just don’t see how we can ever get rid of the likes of lurch, Burt, amartay etc. none of them want to leave. We desperately need to make room for new better players and the money to buy them. We really have screwed our selves in this regard. It’s so frustrating.

[coolhandfox]

28 minutes ago, cruzFOX said:

If I had a dollar for every time I hear we will soon offload our dead wood! Seriously I just don’t see how we can ever get rid of the likes of lurch, Burt, amartay etc. none of them want to leave. We desperately need to make room for new better players and the money to buy them. We really have screwed our selves in this regard. It’s so frustrating.

Well Amartey and Bertrand are out of contract in the summer so they will  be gone.

 

Vestergaard will have 1 year left, so could be more willing to move on.

[Sunbury Fox]

17 hours ago, reynard said:

We're an entire starting 11 away from the level we were when we finished 5th.

I hadn't thought of it that way but you're right.  Looking back to that amazing run that we had in the first half of 2019/20, virtually ever starting player has now either left, is certain to leave soon or has declined significantly because of age or the impact of repeated injuries. Only Barnes from the starting XI back then is both likely to be here next season and still reliably at the right level (on the whole). 

 

Kasper and Chilwell are already gone. 

 

Maddison, Youri, Cags and Perez will all leave this summer if not before. 

 

Age has caught up with Vardy and Evans. 

 

Ricardo and Ndidi have been ruined by ongoing injuries. 

 

Of players that have come in since, only Castagne, Faes and possibly Justin (though injuries have also raised questions about that) look like top half PL players. So, we need to build around those 3 plus Barnes - and hope that somehow Daka comes good eventually.

 

Finding the 6 or 7 players we will need to fill the rest of a team capable of a top half finish will be hugely challenging, given our apparent financial woes and the fact that the only large incoming fee we will get is for Maddison.

 

It looks like we are going to gamble on bringing in low cost young players (based on what Glover did at Southampton). That is clearly a high risk strategy that could go either way - but the clear dangers involved can be seen in Southampton's current plight. 

 

There is a real possibility that within the next 2 or 3 seasons we will be back in the Championship unless new investment can be found from somewhere. 

 

Edited 28 December 2022 by Sunbury Fox

[Sly]

Did we ever replace Paul McGuinness as Head of Player Development? 
 

 

[Babylon]

We've muddled on through the individual brilliance of players, with us likely to lose Maddison and Tielemans, Vardy coming to the end of his career and Barnes looking a shadow of the player. We're up shit creek, and if the budget doesn't improve, we might not have a paddle... or at least the paddle will have a dozen holes in it. 

 

Squad management has been disastrous.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 hours ago, Nicolo Barella said:

I'll be more excited if we get a new manager to be honest. One more suited to building off defensive fundamentals, ignoring possession and focusing on counterattacking and a strong press.

A front line of Barnes Iheanacho Daka and someone new on the right wing when Maddison leaves, ideally someone in the mould of Almiron, would be a really strong attacking base to build off for a side that doesn't aim to control possession. 

 

Of course, we'd still need to nail at a minimum the RW, 2 CMs, and a CB as excellent signings, ideally with another centre back, goalie, and other signings as well turning out well. So it's a big ask but I can see a way back to success.

If you want a strong press then Barnes and Nacho need to be moved on. Barnes is the most half-arsed player I've ever seen without the ball. He's just not interested at all. Nacho tries to press, bless him, but generally just waddles around ineffectively.

[themightyfin]

On 27/12/2022 at 00:49, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

First - get a new manager.

 

Then prioritise getting Maddison a new contract. If he signs, build the team around a spine of Faes - KDH - Maddison, with Maddison as captain. If he won't commit, sell if we get a bid of 65m+ in January, 50m+ in the summer.

 

Over the next two windows I'd want us to sign a new GK, LB, CB, RM and CF. Realistically, probably from lower leagues / cheap foreign market gambles, but we could raise a bit by selling Ward (5m), Veste (3m), Bertrand (0m), Tielemans (15m), Soumare (10m), Mendy (5m), Praet (7m), Perez (5m), Iheanacho (20m).

 

25 man squad

 

GKs: New GK / Iversen / Smithies

 

RBs: Castagne / Pereira

LBs: Justin / new LB / Thomas

CBs: Faes / New CB / Evans / Amartey

 

CMs: KDH / Ndidi /Choudhury / Braybrooke

 

AMC: Maddison / Barnes / New RM / Albrighton / Alves

 

CF: New CF / Vardy / New CF / Daka

I think you way out with your figures. 

 

Vestergaard will nit get a fee.

In fact it will probably end up costing us money to release him or subsidise his wages.

 

Youri we ain't gonna get anything for.

 

Mendy and Perez will leave on a free 

 

And Soumare will be needed and will be going nowhere fast.

 

So I  think  you are  are about £40million in those estimations. 

 

 

 

 

[themightyfin]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

We've muddled on through the individual brilliance of players, with us likely to lose Maddison and Tielemans, Vardy coming to the end of his career and Barnes looking a shadow of the player. We're up shit creek, and if the budget doesn't improve, we might not have a paddle... or at least the paddle will have a dozen holes in it. 

 

Squad management has been disastrous.

Domt you just love Foxestalk.

All the talk here last month was Barnes is in the form of his life and an outside bet for the world cup.

One game back in a game where frankly everyone was off it and its back to.

 

"He's a shadow of his former self" 

 

Amazing...

[Babylon]

44 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Domt you just love Foxestalk.

All the talk here last month was Barnes is in the form of his life and an outside bet for the world cup.

One game back in a game where frankly everyone was off it and its back to.

 

"He's a shadow of his former self" 

 

Amazing...

Well that talk wasn't from me, I don't think he's been anywhere close to his best since his injury. His quick decision making has gone, and he spends most of the game just running into other players. 

 

So not that amazing. 

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Well that talk wasn't from me, I don't think he's been anywhere close to his best since his injury. His quick decision making has gone, and he spends most of the game just running into other players. 

 

So not that amazing. 

I'd agree his number in term of goals are not a true refection on his overall performances.

 

 

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I'd agree his number in term of goals are not a true refection on his overall performances.

 

 

Knowing what he's capable of, I want so much more from him. As you say, grabbing a goal doesn't mean you played well. 

[JimmyC74]

Reports from today’s presser that we are

starting discussions to extend the contracts of likes of Amartey, Cags and Evans.

 

Don’t get the logic especially as Cags has been exiled since Spurs last season and never shown an interest in extending.

 

Also appears sentiment rather than realism has taken hold. Amartey is a squad filler at best and Evans will never be what he was a couple of years ago and his fitness record is unlikely to get better.

 

Surely we need to look forwards with younger, hungry players. Let’s not keep making mistakes and wasting money.

Edited 28 December 2022 by JimmyC74

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 minute ago, JimmyC74 said:

Reports from today’s presser that we are

starting discussions to extend the contracts of Amartey and Evans.

 

If true, sentiment rather than realism has taken hold. Amartey is a squad filler at best and Evans will never be what he was a couple of years ago and his fitness record is unlikely to get better.

 

Surely we need to look forwards with younger, hungry players. Let’s not keep making mistakes 

They are only discussions, which is perfectly normal for players coming to the end of their current deals. The fact that nothing has come of these discussions as of yet would indicate that the club will only have them back on a discounted wage. If they can't reach an agreement the club and the players will simply move on.

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, JimmyC74 said:

Reports from today’s presser that we are

starting discussions to extend the contracts of Amartey and Evans.

 

If true, sentiment rather than realism has taken hold. Amartey is a squad filler at best and Evans will never be what he was a couple of years ago and his fitness record is unlikely to get better.

 

Surely we need to look forwards with younger, hungry players. Let’s not keep making mistakes 

At the moment we have CB wise Soyuncu, Evans and Amartey out of contract.

 

That leave us with Faes and Vestiguarrd, were are we going to find the money to buy 3 CB in 1 window?

 

Evans will be taking a pay cut if he stays and Amartey is happy to be a squad filler.

[JimmyC74]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

At the moment we have CB wise Soyuncu, Evans and Amartey out of contract.

 

That leave us with Faes and Vestiguarrd, were are we going to find the money to buy 3 CB in 1 window?

 

Evans will be taking a pay cut if he stays and Amartey is happy to be a squad filler.

Accept your point around numbers. 
 

i just don’t see Cags renewing after the last 12-18 mths, Evans may well sign (on reduced terms) but we will do well to get 15-20 more games out of him.

Edited 28 December 2022 by JimmyC74

[coolhandfox]

10 minutes ago, JimmyC74 said:

Accept your point around numbers. 
 

i just don’t see Cags renewing after the last 12-18 mths, Evans may well sign (on reduced terms) but we will do well to get 15-20 more games out of him.

I think we will buy 1 new CB this season, and resign Evans on a one year deal and then 1 buy another 1 the season after.

 

Amartey will resign too, he's on low wages

 

Soyuncu will go and the club will try and sell vesty

Edited 28 December 2022 by coolhandfox

[Beachyboy]

It has to be worth offering Evans a £100,000 a game contract with no basic, his level when he can play is probably still mid table premiership.