Telegraph: "Four years on, the Brendan Rodgers formula is still Leicester City's best bet"

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Main takeaway from that article is that he's under no pressure. I've got to hand it to him, he's brilliant at brainwashing people and lowering expectations without any of that being supposedly down to him.

Who knows what conversations go on behind close doors.

[Koke]

The Blackburn game will be his 200th game at the club,  which is more than he's had at any other club. Quite a milestone. 

 

The annoying thing is he is seemingly under no pressure.  If he wasn't sacked when we were rock bottom with 7 losses in a row then he won't be under any pressure by tagging along in 13th.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, eblair said:

is it still arrogance if you back it up? 

Speaking down to club staff such as laundry and the kitchen. 
 

Less about the on field stuff, more arrogant behaviour around the training ground etc 

[CosbehFox]

54 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Who knows what conversations go on behind close doors.

I think a lot underestimate what winning the Cup meant for Top in memory of his father 

Edited 25 February 2023 by CosbehFox

[smudgerfox]

I suspect the set piece fiasco did little to endear Kasper to his colleagues. Time and time again I saw pundits analyse our marking match ups and question the commitment of our outfield players in defending corners. I don’t recall them ever questioning why the goalkeeper wasn’t catching crosses landing in and around our six yard box. They got slaughtered and Kasper got off Scot free. 

Edited 25 February 2023 by smudgerfox

[FoxyLeon]

40 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

I suspect the set piece fiasco did little to endear Kasper to his colleagues. Time and time again I saw pundits analyse our marking match ups and question the commitment of our outfield players in defending corners. I don’t recall them ever questioning why the goalkeeper wasn’t catching crosses landing in and around our six yard box. They got slaughtered and Kasper got off Scot free. 

 

Well hasn't this season proved Kasper wasn't the issue? As was clear at the time, it's poor coaching. 

[Tom12345]

Four years. With his track record and everything he has said and done, I think we can say he is not an elite manager. His preference for personal pride and reputation over ambition for the players and the club means that he will never take us beyond where we are. Yes it was a miracle, but he will not produce what Ranieri nor Pearson produced (they take risks and take on the burden of responsibility for the team). Rodgers is not a risk taker. When we were in the top 4, his conservatism and talking us down made us choked. When we are mid-table, his preemptive protective talks of getting 40 points and players not being good enough took us down into a relegation fight. We will more likely than not perform below where our squad is capable of performing. Mentality matters and unfortunately he has stuffed up our Foxes Never Quit mentality, swapping it for his arse covering talks of our squad and our owners not being good enough so that he can say he has outperformed given what he has got.

 

At times he is not bad. And during the patches of good runs, our fans would all of a sudden forget and declare he is the man and criticise those who remain consistent with their views and not change due to one or two games. Anyway, we can all change our views, but it should not flip flop every second game.

 

For me, he can prove me wrong for as long as he is here (and I will be happy if the team plays well), but I will remain in the out camp until he has proven that he has changed for the better in the long term. (I am encouraged though that he has finally started to use Nachos and Mendy at least.)

Edited 25 February 2023 by Tom12345

[HeskeyForever]

Brendan's time here really epitomises his reputation as a good manager, but a 'nearly man'. I often wonder, who else, outside of Klopp and Guardiola has been more successful in the Premier League than Brendan in the time he's been here? How different would our fortunes look if we just made it over the line for the Champions League in those two seasons? While it's completely valid to argue that it was Brendan's regressive approach that meant we missed out - you can't take away the fact that he was the one who got us there. He's won two trophies with us and we did reasonably well in Europe when we had the chance.

 

During our awful run, I was very much in favour of sacking Rodgers - but on reflection, I think that would symbolise a bit of scapegoating from being severely let down by those in charge of transfers, contract negotiations and lest we forget, the medical team that seemingly wouldn't do very well in a game of Operation. How would our season have looked if Ricky, JJ and Maddison weren't injured for most of it? How would our season have looked if we could have signed a CB, RW and LB at the start of the season? 

 

The frustrations that we've faced this season are beginning to iron out. We have a good set-piece coach, an already impressive head of recruitment, a starting 11 that we're mostly happy with and we're still in the FA Cup. In a strangely similar way, I feel like our failures this season had to happen, in the same way that they did when we got relegated to League 1. It's given the whole club a call to action - and seemingly, action is taking place.

 

I really don't believe we'd be in a place in the summer to attract a manager that's better than Brendan and I honestly think with solid recruitment, we could become very competitive again. 

[teblin]

Achievement wise during the last 4 years in the league under him we have finished in the top 10 all 3 full seasons. Won trophies etc… which we all know.

 

In terms of win percentage probably one of our highest ever in the top flight.

 

one thing that doesn’t help, when looking at Brendan’s time here is that 2 of the seasons where we finished 5th we didn’t get to enjoy in person fully due to covid, as well as the FA cup run. 
 

He also isn’t instantly likeable, which definitely goes against him and does seem to be so determined to play a certain way to spite himself and the team. (Roma away it wasn’t working but refused to put a big player in the box, will always frustrate me)

 

He’s lucky to still be in charge with the start we had and restart we had. Convinced it was money why he wasn’t.

 

the Kasper thing isn’t surprising either. People who say “poor players don’t like him shouting at them” have to realise that it doesn’t work for everyone. Some people need and arm around and a chat. Steve guppy vs Savage, heard something where MON used to tell Guppy he was amazing even if he was poor, but alway gave Savage stick.

 

[gw_leics772]

19 hours ago, Out Foxed said:

percy likes Rodgers eh

I think I've worked out who his source is 🤔🤣

[gw_leics772]

18 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Funnily enough Keane couldn't stand Peter Schmeichel 

 

20 hours ago, AjcW said:

.... There wasn't room for two egotistical bellends at the club... 

Done and done

Edited 25 February 2023 by gw_leics772

[gw_leics772]

17 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Awww did Kasper shout at his teammates and demand high standards? That's not welcome at little old Leicester. Let's return to our box like the nice little club we are. Pfffttt

A fair comment on the face of it, but he was undoubtedly on the decline. It looks like a case of be careful what you wish for, but if we didn't basically give him away because the boss liked him, and replaced him with an actual ****ing goalkeeper, I think the feelings would be a lot more... Ahem.. Balanced. 

[gw_leics772]

17 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Kasper for the majority of his time here gave his all and single handily won us points. It’s clear he’s a winner and wants to win. You’re not going to get on with everyone in the club but to me when I watched him play he always seemed like a leader.

 

I think the bigger problem is in a year our manager has shipped out our captain and now our vice captain… who’s got the bigger ego?

 

 

I think he came across like a bit of a go shite at the end. Demanding better from his defence after he had just ****ed up...

 

But maybe that's just me, opinions eh. 

 

As I said above, this feels a bit revisionst to me. Understandably so given what came after, but the biggest problem is we didn't replace him, or even try, or even use our next in line when his replacement turned out to be shite. 

 

Just because the replacement was shitter, doesn't mean the last kasper we saw was good enough. 

Unless we accept that little old Leicester have had their fun and should **** off back into their box now. 

Edited 25 February 2023 by gw_leics772

[Sambiasso]

26 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

I think I've worked out who his source is 🤔🤣

Percys source is Rudkin 

[fox_up_north]

I think people outside of the club have a better view of it than us. If we finish 12th or above, that's still better than a couple of our finishes since the return and because we won the FA Cup, it inflates people's opinion.

 

Take Newcastle fans, with all their money, if they lose the cup final on Sunday, they'll still envy us. As would Villa and Wolves fans. 

 

Brendan has shown a whole array during his time with us but he's also proven he's a B tier manager. He's not "bad" by any stretch but he should really have a look at himself. If he was a bit friendlier and approachable, I think he wouldn't get half the stick he does. 

[gw_leics772]

16 hours ago, AKCJ said:

My opinion on whether Rodgers should or shouldn't be our manager changes constantly.

 

Ultimately, I really do think that he's the best we could hope for and I think that my opinion on that changes because I find him extremely unlikeable. 

I'm sure you will be accused of flip flopping but I feel the same. 

 

Not because he is the best we can hope for though, I don't like the bloke, the issues run deep now and keep recurring when we hit a rough patch. 

 

But... The 2 games before man u showed real progress and I can live with not getting any points from man u and also today with arsenal. 

 

The apparent turnaround, if it lasts, shows that we have bought the right players to kick-start us back to being on the up again. It shows that it could be good with rodgers if we do back him in the transfer market. 

 

However.. To me, last summer was a failed experiment by Top, and not as we thought, due to lack of faith in Rodgers. Not spending ****ed us. Made worse by the previous fail of not selling a player and keeping the money flow and progression going. (which again was made worse by spending the money we did have on absolute shite on high wages) I digress but maybe, just maybe we needed the stark fail to make us go back to how we were. And could have been in danger of doing a Leeds while chasing the dream if we did get the success we aimed for short term) 

 

Anyway, due to the expected restrictions on finances (comparatively, as I expect we will spend bigger than normal as a one off to get the "refresh") I don't want us to have wasted what money we do have buying players that the next manager doesn't want, and also suspect the next time we want a new manager, we will be shopping at a different supermarket, and that nobody will (wrongly imo) even suggest they are an elite level manager. (fingers crossed I'm wrong though) 

 

Even taking all of the above into consideration, I still don't like him, he showed some scary traits when the going got tough and he didn't get everything he wanted, but while the going is good, or at least on the up, no need to waste money replacing him now. The next natural mini refresh is when his contract is up. 

 

(these views are subject to change, results can go up or down, forcing blood out of my ears and vitriol out of my gob hole) 

 

Hopefully we are back to being a recruitment led club that gets it right more than it gets it wrong. 

 

 

 

[Sly]

Rodgers tactical decisions and stubbornness frustrate the life out of me at times. I can appreciate some of the great things he’s done though. He’s by no means a bad coach. An outsider looking in, might even have an argument for him being one best ever head coach. 
 

It was evident for a while that we’ve needed support, playing and non playing in certain areas if he were to remain. 
 

Set piece coaching - We’ve seen an improvement.

 

Tactical analytics - We still haven’t fully cracked this and I’d argue that we still need to bring someone in for those post game reviews as what we’re doing now isn’t working. Our in game management isn’t great at times either. 

 

Recruitment - Time will tell, however early signs seem to indicate we are potentially back on track. 
 

Phycologist - Mentality is still as weak as a wet paper bag at times.  

 

Injuries - You could say we’ve been unlucky. However we’re at the point where their is no smoke without fire. 
 

Maybe the King Power group thing is about as agile at making decisions, as the titanic was at changing course to avoid that iceberg. Lots of large companies suffer with this. 
 

On Kasper Schmeichel, maybe he was one of those “high performing but toxic types”. If the relationship had broken down between the two, then one has to go. I’m just keeping my fingers crossed that we have identified a replacement and it won’t take years like it did with the right winger. 
 

As a club, maybe we’ve decided that we need to move on the likes of Tielemans, Vardy, Kasper etc and have a more sustainable wage structure. If that leads to the rebuild this season, it’ll be intriguing to see how it goes. 
 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

There Telegraph posted a similar pro Rodgers story pre the loss to Newcastle in the League Cup, nauseating bollocks 

Edited 25 February 2023 by Miquel The Work Geordie

[Stadt]

40 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

There Telegraph posted a similar pro Rodgers story pre the loss to Newcastle in the League Cup, nauseating bollocks 

“How Brendan Rodgers has turned Leicester’s season around” - we’d just scraped past bottom of League 2 Gillingham  

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, HeskeyForever said:

While it's completely valid to argue that it was Brendan's regressive approach that meant we missed out - you can't take away the fact that he was the one who got us there. He's won two trophies with us and we did reasonably well in Europe when we had the chance.

...did you forget that we failed to qualify from a group that we were favourites to come through!!!

  The recent introduction of an additional competition ( Conference League) of which it appeared he had forgotten about, enabled him to go past the last 32 for the first time in his career, and to cap it all, his team never turned up against Roma.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

"Did reasonably well in Europe" - we bombed out of a group with Spartak Moscow and Legia Warsaw in it ffs

[ARM1968]

Just shows why all MSM isn’t worth listening to these days. Utter drivel for the most part, shot through with the occasional insight. Sort of reminds me of something. 

[Stadt]

We were joint favourites for the EL and were the favourites for the conf. league. We were knocked out by Slavia the year before too  

[Steve Earle]

20 hours ago, Royston. said:

So what if Kasper was a shouty bastard, wish we had someone like that in the outfield. In fact Ward can FOAD and Kasper can come home.

 

It wouldnt even surprise me if Rodgers refusal to drop Ward is to prove to Schmeichel we can be alright without him.

 

Did i mention Ward can FOAD?

For all that’s not good enough about Ward, we are better at defending crosses and set pieces with him in the side rather than Schmeichel 

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

On Kasper Schmeichel, maybe he was one of those “high performing but toxic types”. If the relationship had broken down between the two, then one has to go. I’m just keeping my fingers crossed that we have identified a replacement and it won’t take years like it did with the right winger. 

I think it fine being high mantaince and expensive when you are backing it up with performances.

 

Kasper has been a brilliant keeper for us, and will alway be a club legend. 

 

But there is no hiding the fact that in the last 18 months of his Leicester career he wasn't performing to the standard expected of the 3rd highest paid keeper in the league.

 

I think the club felt at 7 million a season he was not longer value for money so decide to move him on, knowing he was coming to the end.

 

They could have brought a new number one, but decide to give Ward and Iversen a chance, after investing time and money into both.

 

I alway felt the club saw this season as treading water, cutting out dead wood before a rebuild.