Why are we the only relegation battlers that are playing like we don't care ?

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, marcymarc666 said:

I can't put put my finger on this one. You look at the like of Forest and Leeds and even if they're losing they're playing like their lives depend on it. Where as we look like we're taking a stroll in the park. 

Your thoughts....

Even with clubs that do look up for it, it's probably only because of the bonuses. I've become very cynical about footballers after the last couple of years of shit we've had to endure.

 

Someone on Talksport over the weekend had the nerve to say we want too much because of the success we have had. I think as a fanbase we are actually extremely accepting because of that success and have lowered the bar time and time again the last 2 years. We'll just never accept lack of effort.

[LVFox]

Because our players believed they were too good to go down, and its now at a point in the season where there main worry is not getting injured before transfers in the summer and being stuck here.

 

Hardly any are willing to put club before personal gain. 

[Rob Clarke]

Watching the Newcastle v Arsenal match on Sunday I noticed a sign  on the pitch side  hoardings advertising a high energy, rehydrating drink. It said "Better Never Stops" and I thought we, as a club, right from the top to the players have stopped and become mired in complacency. 

 

 

 

 

[desertfox2]

12 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Players focused on the moves they're making. 

 

Soft mentality. Weak mentality. Confidence has taken a battering. No consistency. 

 

I wrote this in another thread a while back and it still applies... 

 

Someone on Talksport said a good phrase, to describe Southampton's downfall, and the same applies to us.

 

When the general and colonels can't get things right at the top, that filters down to the 'soldiers' lower down the hierarchy.

 

Top/Rudkin/Whelan have failed at the top, and now that's filtering down to the players failing on the pitch.

 

Very true, I'd seperate the Generals from Top though and when the generals (Rudkin,Rodgers,Whelan, Congerton before) are lying to the people at the very top (Top) then it's like the Russians expecting to take Kyiv in 3 days only to find out that their generals have been lying and it turns really bad, really quick and their Army (team) is nowhere near as good as they have been saying. 

Edited 10 May 2023 by desertfox2
Team.

[Grebfromgrebland]

The answer is simple. Most of these players and squad won't be relegated.

 

Add to that most don't want to get hurt or risk injury which could affect their next move.

 

 

[huddersfieldfox]

I wonder if any of the players flick through this and if they do, do they care what we think of them. They are hurting our club beyond belief will they ever look back and think ' I let them down' 

[Matt_Lcfc]

59 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...a lot of people felt the same way, the fanbase has said as much!!!

Why anyone should have taken that attitude within the club I do not know, but for the supporters, especially the older ones, you could understand to a degree that the yearn

for the F.A. Cup would have taken the monkey off their backs.

  The next goal should have been put in place for the club to strive for, someone was waiting for someone else to come up with the idea and no one did.

Nah, I don’t understand it, it’s a losers mentality. The FA Cup allowed us to complete the set domestically, but it shouldn’t mean that you should sign out.

 

The club as a whole should have been hungry to keep winning and it needs to be understood as to why people mentally signed out.

 

Look at Man City under Guardiola. People call him a cheque book manager, great, but he keeps them hungry every season to push boundaries and keep winning silverware. 
 

Im not saying that I had an expectation for us to suddenly win every trophy under the sun. That’s different. I just wanted us to keep progressing (even if it was a slow process).

 

The FA Cup and qualification for Europe (two years in a row!) provided us a perfect platform to do so. This regression is completely inexcusable - I hope Top sells the club and Rudkin et al clear off. We need a reset as a club.

[weller54]

1 hour ago, marcymarc666 said:

I can't put put my finger on this one. You look at the like of Forest and Leeds and even if they're losing they're playing like their lives depend on it. Where as we look like we're taking a stroll in the park. 

Your thoughts....

Easy.. too many players who simply don't care!!

.. Maddison and Tielemans step forward please!!!!!

[Old Fox]

Most of these players will believe they are trying and I am sure they are but when you are not bought into the team 100% a small drop at premiership level is massive.

 

A lot of the players are only 5% off it but at a prem level you have to be right at it and they are not - mentally they have moved on or know it will not affect them.

 

Watching Vardy, KDH, Thomas on Sunday it felt like they cared - I know vards missed the penalty but he was at it from the off but sadly most of the others were not.

 

Second factor is some of them are just not top top players when the chips are down they can dig in and fight - the team of 15/16 had so many proper professionals Morgan, Huth, Simpson etc who fought like hell and cared.

 
This lot including Maddison, Tielemans, Soyuncu are not top top players and will never be as mentally they are weak and too busy looking for someone else rather taking accountability.

 

Personally hope they all leave and we start to build again and learn from mis-managing contracts but build the this around players wanting to be here.

 

 

[los dedos]

For me it feels like when the club looked to  sign players.  They looked for a certain personality, respectful well mannered happy go lucky type .

Trouble is those types are great when it's going well but not when the Chips are down.

I do wonder if in part it was to please our Thai owners!

[Guest Lako42]

Because the others care? 

[lee7]

2 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

I wonder if any of the players flick through this and if they do, do they care what we think of them. They are hurting our club beyond belief will they ever look back and think ' I let them down' 

You might get one or two that care but i can almost guarantee the majority probably don't give two ****s. I actually think Vardy genuinely cares. If/when we get relegated i could see him staying to try help us get back up.

 

If players really cared about the clubs they played for then they wouldn't look to jump ship at the first opportunity! 

 

The days of talented players like Muzzy Izzet dropping down a league and helping us get promoted from the league below seem to be long gone. He could of easily slotted into most of the top 10 sides but instead showed real loyalty.

Edited 10 May 2023 by lee7

[dannythefox]

I’m not sure about others team but the main factor in ours for me is half of them won’t be here next season and thats regardless of what league we’re in. They’ll already be planning what there next move is or have.

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

Apathy has been allowed to fester and spread across the entire club. I imagine most of us have witnessed it at work one time or another. It’s really difficult to rectify and usually takes a radical overhaul. 

[Guesty]

I do wonder if we'll now see a different side to them. I think they live in a very insular world.

 

After this weekend it will be different. Even to the most complacent delusional player, relegation is now a real possibility. No matter what clique they're in and have been telling themselves.

 

When they head to training, to the canteen, to the ground they will be faced with people who will be made redundant. People who they know and like. Even if those people try there best to hide it, it will still show on their faces that they are worried, possibly angry.

 

Whatever I think of some players, I doubt they're all heartless. I'm hoping this a big wake up call to some players who've been burying their heads in the sand.

[Dan]

It's two things - a mix of no serious jeopardy as it just secures them another move, and years of a fairweather manager.

 

It's the best example you'll see of poor squad building. That the director of football is still in place, but barely a murmuring that he's going to be sacked is genuinely astounding.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Rob Clarke said:

Watching the Newcastle v Arsenal match on Sunday I noticed a sign  on the pitch side  hoardings advertising a high energy, rehydrating drink. It said "Better Never Stops" and I thought we, as a club, right from the top to the players have stopped and become mired in complacency. 

 

That’s actually a strap line from castore (their kit supplier)

but your point is valid

 

1 hour ago, Old Fox said:

Most of these players will believe they are trying and I am sure they are but when you are not bought into the team 100% a small drop at premiership level is massive.

 

A lot of the players are only 5% off it but at a prem level you have to be right at it and they are not - mentally they have moved on or know it will not affect them.

 

Absolutely- and some of them will resent the fact that they don’t feel the tactics employed are helping them 

I can’t imagine that YT thinks it’s a good idea to have him and Bouba screening the defence on transition 

 

If you don’t believe in what you’re being asked to do then that’s another couple percent off 

 

 

[Winstonthedog]

Foxes never quit  ... playing staff do 

[Winstonthedog]

2 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

I wonder if any of the players flick through this and if they do, do they care what we think of them. They are hurting our club beyond belief will they ever look back and think ' I let them down' 

Unlikely... unless they are hoping for praise

[Fox1norfolk]

On 08/05/2023 at 17:48, EnglishOxide said:

-------------------------Iversen--------------------------

Ricardo----Evans----Soyuncu---Castagne

-----------Soumare----Mendy----KDH-----------

---Daka--------------Vardy--------------Barnes---

 

Just keep it compact and hit it direct ffs.

 

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I wont accept that this squad isn't good enough

player for player we are better than half the league 

 

the other clubs simply have better tactics and motivation

 

and now our players are right in the mess, they don't have the confidence to play effectively.   

We might have a better squad on paper, but other teams in the relegation battle like Everton, Notts Forest, Leeds fight like terriers for a win, and we don’t

[moseeds]

It really is a study in mindset and psychology this season.

 

You win the most elusive cup. The club is overachieving and should be grateful for even daring to dream, were it not for you.

 

The owner has died. The son is eager. There's a power struggle. A new fort is built.

 

You almost make it to the promised land but fail to run through the gate. Fingers start pointing. Heads begin to turn. Rumours start spreading. The leader starts to doubt. Fights break out. Legs grow weary. Aches turn into pains. Injuries mount. Heads sink. Eyes close.

 

And then catastrophe bears down. Defeat followed by defeat. Nobody knows why. A brief sojourn was only an imposter.

 

There are no answers except one: its not your fault nor responsibility, it's only because of you they all dared to dream.

 

 

[st albans fox]

18 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said:

 

We might have a better squad on paper, but other teams in the relegation battle like Everton, Notts Forest, Leeds fight like terriers for a win, and we don’t

Yes I know 

because most sides in the bottom half have to play like that week in, week out to survive 

 

we evolved into a side that felt it was too good to worry about that part of the game - and they’ve been either unable or unwilling to embrace it

 

we weren’t mentally equipped for a relegation battle which is why the players and club hid from it ……..

 

[MattFox]

https://twitter.com/JasonBourne1986/status/1655579472614105088

[Hammo]

5 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

• 7 players out of contract in summer 2023
• 7 players out of contract in summer 2024
• Manager who continually publicly said a lot of them weren't good enough - eroding confidence
• Manager who publicly said we would not and could not compete, eroding 'disrupt the top 6' mentality of first half of his tenure
• Manager who coached some players into decline/away from their strengths (Ndidi, Vardy)
• Manager who refused to play his best players due to pride (Iversen), personal issues (Soyuncu) and unfavouring people inexplicably (Kelechi)
• Groups of players who were frozen out and didn't get the move they wanted, stuck at a club and under a manager they don't want to be with (Soyuncu, Praet, Vestergaard)
• Loss of leaders and model professionals who have left and not been replaced (Kasper, Evans, Morgan, Fuchs, Albrighton)  

 

Bravo! Nailed it.

[Dan]

The warning signs were there in the seasons we bottled Champions League football. Such tail offs were only possible with severe fundamental issues - no bottle, no leadership, no nous. These were always likely to creep back up on us given we've had nobody at the club even acknowledge this was an issue (other than a proven bullshitters self preservation scheme) let alone actually address it.

 

They're an utterly unlikeable bunch of bottlers. **** them.