Lillehamring Posted 25 August 2023 Share Posted 25 August 2023 1 hour ago, moore_94 said: Not like Souttar is able to offer much of a solution to that issue either though, he isn't that much quicker and the moments where the striker has got in behind I don't think Souttar would have caught them either Exactly, and i'd go even further - just look at liverpool who play a high line and even VVD get's caught sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post South Shire Fox Posted 25 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 25 August 2023 48 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Harry Souttar saying he doesn’t want to play in the championship ? Surely he hasnt got the balls ? His total contribution to PL football to date is heading over two absolute sitters and being turned around like £2 hooker on a buy one get one free offer by multiple mediocre strikers. He also showed up earlier to training. I can’t see it. Its complete nonsense, he bought his house in the area over the summer. Would you do that if you dont plan on staying? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 25 August 2023 Share Posted 25 August 2023 9 minutes ago, nathan. said: Come on Brendan you know you want to. I very highly doubt Souttar will sign for Celtic. Rangers, maybe, but not Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 25 August 2023 Share Posted 25 August 2023 1 hour ago, Weller Wing said: He's maybe hit a couple of decent balls and some have gone for a throw in. He's a woeful defender and we've been extremely lucky so far , to have 9 points on the board due to poor finishing from opposition players (their fault) I trust Maresca and hope Coady comes back fully fit and does well as that will stop the argument. Nothing will change my mind,until I see otherwise, that Vestergaard is absolutely bloody garbage in pretty much every part of being a central defender. Opposition managers will target him in every game he plays He has the second highest progressive passing distance in the league (2047yds) - compare that to Faes (1395) and Winks (1380) - I think you are grossly and flippantly underestimating his contribution. Also, not every wasted chance the opposition has had has come from Vestergaards play - it's a team game. technically he has not made any actual errors leading to an opponents shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 25 August 2023 Share Posted 25 August 2023 Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at a lower prem team on loan on the last day of the transfer window. A desperate last minute signing for someone if you like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 25 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 25 August 2023 7 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said: Its complete nonsense, he bought his house in the area over the summer. Would you do that if you dont plan on staying? I'm a little sceptical that either Souttar or Daka have refused to play in the Championship as neither had even proven themselves in the Premier League. I could possibly believe that a proven Premier League star with an ego might have such an attitude, but these two? It just seems a bit implausible. It would also be very unfair if it turns out not to be true. Fans can turn very hostile against players because of rumours like this. If the rumours end up being proved false, the damage is already done. I just think we should be a little wary of these "A bloke who worked at the training ground reckons that..."-type stories. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 25 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 25 August 2023 Sorry. But I can't fathom selling Souttar and retaining Vestercrap. It makes no sense on either a footballing, economic or moral basis. I simply won't have it! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroughtonFox Posted 25 August 2023 Share Posted 25 August 2023 28 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Sorry. But I can't fathom selling Souttar and retaining Vestercrap. It makes no sense on either a footballing, economic or moral basis. I simply won't have it! Vestergaard probably happy to be back up Souttar not so. If Enzo is happy then I’m happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danno Posted 26 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 26 August 2023 Vestergaard plays because he fits the system, end of. By far our best CB on the ball which is one of the biggest attributes you need as the middle CB. Doubt we’ll be using him in the prem, he’s just the best stopgap we have at the moment That’s 2 managers who haven’t fancied Souttar now.. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 7 hours ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Sorry. But I can't fathom selling Souttar and retaining Vestercrap. It makes no sense on either a footballing, economic or moral basis. I simply won't have it! Makes pretty simple economic sense. Souttar is worth a lot more money and nobody will buy Vestergaard considering the salary he is on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 10 minutes ago, Viva said: Makes pretty simple economic sense. Souttar is worth a lot more money and nobody will buy Vestergaard considering the salary he is on. Souttar value will be even better at the end of the season once he helps us get promoted. Vester presence in the middle could undermine that promotion project. So in the long run. I still feel it's bad business to sell him for a reduced price and retain Vester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Claw II Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 I’m not a fan of Vestegard but Souttar is hard to get that excited about. Both will get murdered in the PL under our current system so neither are a solution both can probably do a job in this league. Would rather Vestegard went but that isn’t going to happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 13 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Souttar value will be even better at the end of the season once he helps us get promoted. Vester presence in the middle could undermine that promotion project. So in the long run. I still feel it's bad business to sell him for a reduced price and retain Vester. Hasn’t gaard been present in all of our 3/3 league run this far? Kinda debunks your point a little. Yes we’ve had some scares but it’s a whole new system and philosophy, gonna be challenges and bomb scare moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 Would be interesting to see what would happen if Vestergaard got injured. Would EM then play Souttar or would Doyle move across to centre half? Nelson also appears to be ahead of Souttar at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weller Wing Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lillehamring said: He has the second highest progressive passing distance in the league (2047yds) - compare that to Faes (1395) and Winks (1380) - I think you are grossly and flippantly underestimating his contribution. Also, not every wasted chance the opposition has had has come from Vestergaards play - it's a team game. technically he has not made any actual errors leading to an opponents shot. That 2047 yards are mainly 5 yard passes that anyone can do. Slow as anybody I've seen ,doesn't win many headers and gets knocked off the ball too easy. Same as with Ward in goal, he creates uncertainty and panic across our back line. He's in for now as Maresca likes him but like most of our fans, I hope someone better (Coady) is replacing him soon Edited 26 August 2023 by Weller Wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hiorns Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 4 minutes ago, Weller Wing said: That 2047 yards are mainly 5 yard passes that anyone can do. Slow as anybody I've seen ,doesn't win many headers and gets knocked off the ball too easy. Same as with Ward in goal, he creates uncertainty and panic across our back line. He's in for now as Maresca likes him but like most of our fans, I hope someone better (Coady) is replacing him soon In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 40 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Souttar value will be even better at the end of the season once he helps us get promoted. Vester presence in the middle could undermine that promotion project. So in the long run. I still feel it's bad business to sell him for a reduced price and retain Vester. How will Souttar’s value go up if he doesn’t play? The manager obviously doesn’t want him in the team and when Coady is back, he’ll be even further down the pecking order. You mention retaining Vestergaard again. Like I said before, you need a buyer before you can get rid of a player. You can’t just get rid of players that are on very high salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 26 minutes ago, casablancas said: Hasn’t gaard been present in all of our 3/3 league run this far? Kinda debunks your point a little. Yes we’ve had some scares but it’s a whole new system and philosophy, gonna be challenges and bomb scare moments. Gaard has skinned alive on the transition / fast break. And only poor finishing has masked it. Borrowed time I'd say! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 2 minutes ago, Viva said: How will Souttar’s value go up if he doesn’t play? The manager obviously doesn’t want him in the team and when Coady is back, he’ll be even further down the pecking order. You mention retaining Vestergaard again. Like I said before, you need a buyer before you can get rid of a player. You can’t just get rid of players that are on very high salaries. I'm just working off the principal that Souttar would hopefully work his way into the team. Solidify his spot. We get promoted and his value is increased. Anyway, clearly Enzo knows best. And if Souttar has said he doesn't fancy slumming it in the Champ. He can feck right off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smudger63 Posted 26 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 26 August 2023 This has nothing to do with Souttar wanting to go, same with Daka and VK. It has everything to do with needing to get players out and Enzo getting rid of the ones he feels are less gifted technically, and will be less suited to what he wants. I suspect there are some who he is picking for the first team that he don't believe are good enough either, but he can only do so much at present. It will take longer than one transfer window. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 6 hours ago, Viva said: Makes pretty simple economic sense. Souttar is worth a lot more money and nobody will buy Vestergaard considering the salary he is on. Exactly - seems we're stuck with vestergaard, and resigned to losing him for free at the end of his contract - so we might as well get some use out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 2 minutes ago, Lillehamring said: Exactly - seems we're stuck with vestergaard, and resigned to losing him for free at the end of his contract - so we might as well get some use out of him. He could cut the grass I spose or take the bins out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 6 hours ago, MGLCFC said: Would be interesting to see what would happen if Vestergaard got injured. Would EM then play Souttar or would Doyle move across to centre half? Nelson also appears to be ahead of Souttar at the moment. Faes has played the centre CB role when vestergaard didn't play in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropstonfox Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 3 minutes ago, STUHILL said: He could cut the grass I spose or take the bins out Or drive soumare and Daka to the Airport! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 26 August 2023 Share Posted 26 August 2023 6 hours ago, Weller Wing said: That 2047 yards are mainly 5 yard passes that anyone can do. Simply not true - this distance is purely progressive passes, so yes it will include passes to winks and ricardo, but his average pass is 17.25 yards. Slow as anybody I've seen ,doesn't win many headers and gets knocked off the ball too easy. Same as with Ward in goal, he creates uncertainty and panic across our back line. Yes there have been moments when we've been caught high, but the repsonse to these situations is not 'panic', generally our recovery has been decent - the fact that he's had more touches than anyone in the team suggest that the players have total trust in him He's in for now as Maresca likes him but like most of our fans, I hope someone better (Coady) is replacing him soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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