Harry Winks

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, MGLCFC said:

Unless there was an ongoing issue with punctuality to training, I can't see the argument for him staying over for one night a week.  However, if there was a specific reason why he should stay at Seagrave one night a week, and other players were made to do the same, then yes, he's out of order. I would add, I don't know the specific reasons for RVN wanting him to stay over, but unless it's justified, it seems a strange decision to enforce.

If you are driving 2 hours a day each way or even being driven, are you going to be at your best? I’d say not.

 

When you are paid millions of pounds by a football club either move closer or accept you made a few nights away. 

[MGLCFC]

16 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

If you are driving 2 hours a day each way or even being driven, are you going to be at your best? I’d say not.

 

When you are paid millions of pounds by a football club either move closer or accept you made a few nights away. 

Yes, I appreciate that. But I don't understand why he had to do it for one day. It's still the same distance every other day he's travelling, so he wouldn't be at his best on the other days. I'm sure many footballers travel similar distances. I travelled a 1.5hr journey too and from work for 34 years. It was only towards the latter years that I found it somewhat hard work. 

The club should have made it clear before signing him that it wasn't an option to travel such distances if they felt it would compromise his performances on matchdays. It didn't seem to be an issue under Maresca!

Edited 27 May 2025 by MGLCFC

[Skidmark]

Starts 46/46 games in a Russell Martin side, if he can stay fit. 

[Chelmofox]

Just now, MGLCFC said:

Yes, I appreciate that. But I don't understand why he had to do it for one day. It's still the same distance every other day he's travel, so he wouldn't be at his best on the other days. I'm sure many footballers travel similar distances. I travelled a 1.5hr journey too and from work for 34 years. It was only towards the latter years that I found it somewhat hard work. 

The club should have made it clear before signing him that it wasn't an option to travel such distances if they felt it would compromise his output. It didn't seem to be an issue under Maresca!

And its not been an issue for other players that do it. I don't like it - but there are circumstances involved. 

 

I'm not buying into the whole Winks bad attitude stuff. Put a shift in the championship season and was in/out this season. We know Ruud has poor man management skills and i think he's gone in all guns blazing with this one and its all backfired.

 

New manager = reset.  

[smudgerfox]

Im pretty sure Winks did move north but moved back when his wife was pregnant…she wanted to be near her family - fine let the old man sign for Leyton Orient then ..

Edited 27 May 2025 by smudgerfox

[Pliskin]

He will go, he’s got enough pull about him for Sunderland to waste money on him.

[Foxin_Mad]

23 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Yes, I appreciate that. But I don't understand why he had to do it for one day. It's still the same distance every other day he's travelling, so he wouldn't be at his best on the other days. I'm sure many footballers travel similar distances. I travelled a 1.5hr journey too and from work for 34 years. It was only towards the latter years that I found it somewhat hard work. 

The club should have made it clear before signing him that it wasn't an option to travel such distances if they felt it would compromise his performances on matchdays. It didn't seem to be an issue under Maresca!

1 day was likely a compromise for his family I imagine. Best case is he isn’t travelling 2 hrs each day.  The club has clearly made an error in allowing this another example of daft culture. I’d say he has always looked tired physically, towards the end of last season particularly so. If many are travelling perhaps shows their disconnect, contempt for fans and general lack of footballing ability on match days

 

18 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

And its not been an issue for other players that do it. I don't like it - but there are circumstances involved. 

 

I'm not buying into the whole Winks bad attitude stuff. Put a shift in the championship season and was in/out this season. We know Ruud has poor man management skills and i think he's gone in all guns blazing with this one and its all backfired.

 

New manager = reset.  

I think his attitude seems bad with the sign and this, it’s not ideal, domes no smoke without fire.  We don’t really know what other compromises other players who travel make. The club has the overnight facilities for a reason. If you are on a multimillion contract, really you should do as you are asked, within reason. 

Edited 27 May 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[foxfanazer]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He will go, he’s got enough pull about him for Sunderland to waste money on him.

[Foxin_Mad]

6 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He will go, he’s got enough pull about him for Sunderland to waste money on him.

Be driving even further then. I imagine he would ideally want a southern club

[MGLCFC]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

1 day was likely a compromise for his family I imagine. Best case is he isn’t travelling 2 hrs each day.  The club has clearly made an error in allowing this another example of daft culture. I’d say he has always looked tired physically, towards the end of last season particularly so.

I don't disagree with your argument, however, there were quite a few looking jaded towards the end of the season, KDH and Mavadidi in particular. Winks played most games in a 46 game season, along with many cup games, it's probably understandable he was getting tired (which may in fact add to your argument). I do agree players shouldn't rule the roost and they get paid silly amounts of money, but like I said this issue should have been discussed during contract talks.

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

1 day was likely a compromise for his family I imagine. Best case is he isn’t travelling 2 hrs each day.  The club has clearly made an error in allowing this another example of daft culture. I’d say he has always looked tired physically, towards the end of last season particularly so. If many are travelling perhaps shows their disconnect, contempt for fans and general lack of footballing ability on match days

 

I think his attitude seems bad with the sign and this, it’s not ideal, domes no smoke without fire.  We don’t really know what other compromises other players who travel make. The club has the overnight facilities for a reason. If you are on a multimillion contract, really you should do as you are asked, within reason. 

Did he make the sign? I was always under the impression it was a piss take from one of the players.  The picture i saw he wasn't holding it up. No matter - it wasn't meant to be shown the world and yeah - its not a good look.

 

Regarding overnight facilities - again, we don't know what was asked and why it was declined at that time. We also don't know how Ruud reacted and what steps have been taken since beyond Winks being dropped.  Managers dropping players happens all the time (i,e Cags). New managers coming in and sorting the situation out happens all the time (i.e Cags).

[kenny]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

With all due respect, what the **** do you know about their personalities or what they're like in the dressing room?

 

Other than we know he seems to have fallen out of favour with, pound for pound, probably the worst manager in our history (?) I'm not sure why everyone's got this hate boner for Winks all of a sudden.

 

He was one of our top 3 or 4 best players last year and has barely been given a chance this year.

 

The **** has he actually done wrong to some of you? If he's still at the club come the first game of the season it'll be a big win for us, especially if we're getting that dickhead Martin.

 

The Instagram pic was the turning moment for me. He might think RVN is shit, particularly as he couldn't get in the side past Soumare.

 

But to revel in the demise he was part of shows how little he cares for the club and demonstrates his disdain to future suitors towards his professionalism. He obviously feels he is hot property and can act as he wishes.

[Grebfromgrebland]

We don't know the ins and outs of his situation but we do know that Ruud is a bit inexperienced in man management and was happy to find a scapegoat where possible such as Facundo.

 

In this situation I'd give Winks the BOD (benefit of doubt for those who didn't have the same maths teacher as me) he's more than capable and already here. 

[Bayfox]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

If you are driving 2 hours a day each way or even being driven, are you going to be at your best? I’d say not.

 

When you are paid millions of pounds by a football club either move closer or accept you made a few nights away. 

Don't remember Kasper, or to a point even Andy Impey or Frank sinclair getting much shit for it. 

 

The difference they were winning games. Strange how that works.

[Jimmy]

3 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

Don't remember Kasper, or to a point even Andy Impey or Frank sinclair getting much shit for it. 

 

The difference they were winning games. Strange how that works.

they weren't breaking a club rule by refusing to stay ONE night per week at the training ground hotel, that's all Winks was being asked to do

[BKLFox]

So Winks has beef with the guy that most will submit to the history books as being the worst manager we’ve ever had and can’t wait to see the back of, but Winks is the bad guy?

[accessory]

44 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He will go, he’s got enough pull about him for Sunderland to waste money on him.

If his family think Leicester's "too far north", they're hardly likely to look too much at Sunderland.

 

Not that the black cats are likely to put a bid in. They've been rinsed themselves far too often by players of his ilk. Jack Rodwell springs readily to mind.

[Jimmy]

Just now, BKLFox said:

So Winks has beef with the guy that most will submit to the history books as being the worst manager we’ve ever had and can’t wait to see the back of, but Winks is the bad guy?

he showed he wasn't committed to the team, forget the manager, everyone else (except maybe Vestergaard) followed the rules

[smudgerfox]

Winks out for me….part of a rotten culture and unlikely to be part of a healthier one. We have to stop players undermining our managers - whoever they are and however good they  are - or we’re sunk. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

4 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

So Winks has beef with the guy that most will submit to the history books as being the worst manager we’ve ever had and can’t wait to see the back of, but Winks is the bad guy?

RVN is shit get rid

 

Winks has a shit attitude get rid 

 

around 16 players at least in the current squad need to fvck off

[STUHILL]

He is a brilliant Championship midfielder, but I wonder if he has burned that bridge already and we are best taking what we can get for him. I'd be happy either way to be honest. We have bigger issues at CB and desperately need a striker. 

[Guest]

Without knowing the specifics of what went on, I think he's probably within his rights - no matter how much he earns or how good the facilities are - to say he'd rather go back home to his family after work than stay over at the training ground. In turn, Ruud is also within his rights to drop him if he feels that's indicative of a lack of commitment or that it impacts his ability to properly prepare for games. Given the choice I know who I'd rather have involved with the team next season.

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, Guest said:

Without knowing the specifics of what went on, I think he's probably within his rights - no matter how much he earns or how good the facilities are - to say he'd rather go back home to his family after work than stay over at the training ground. In turn, Ruud is also within his rights to drop him if he feels that's indicative of a lack of commitment or that it impacts his ability to properly prepare for games. Given the choice I know who I'd rather have involved with the team next season.

Ruud ?

[Sly]

I mean, people are digging out Winks. 
 

We were far better when we had Soumare and Kristiansen, who’s great attitude of not wanting to be even at the club when we were in the Championship were putting in 11/10 performances each week. 

 

Sometimes things get blown out of context. 
 

Without knowing how he was asked, who are we to judge. 
 

As @Finnegan alluded to, 99% of us will likely state that RVN is likely our worst ever head coach. Winks is a very good, technical, tidy player.

 

I can honestly say, if Vardy had received this treatment and lived in the same area as Winks, more would have defended him. He’s become a scapegoat of an underperforming team. 

[Sly]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Ruud ?

I hope not! 

 

Winks and Vestergaard are hand made for a Martin team. 
 

I’m not so down on Martin as others are, although I do feel it could go a better Paulo Sousa quick time. 
 

I do think having a Winks onside though, could help Martin lift the team. 
 

It’ll also benefit by cutting the dead wood and shite we’ve accumulated, Soumare, Faes, Kristiansen etc