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Harry Winks

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Foxin_Mad

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42 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

Don't remember Kasper, or to a point even Andy Impey or Frank sinclair getting much shit for it. 

 

The difference they were winning games. Strange how that works.

That’s the difference they performed. In my opinion Winks hasn’t been outstanding, he did alright in the Championship but nothing special.

 

I wouldnt say Ruud is our worst ever manager because he’s probably been given the biggest sack of shit to work with out of any manager whatever his faults maybe. Taylor, Holloway will always be the worst by some distance due to 1 taking an established Premier league club back to championship round 1 and taking the club to the 3rd tier for the first time. I’d even say the demise of Rodger’s was worse. Coming into a shit team with shit players, shit coaches, no backing in the transfer window and doing shit is kind par for the course!

 

Honestly the best thing is a massive clear out, there’s a lot wrong at the club and it stems much further than a change of manager

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MGLCFC

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1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

Winks out for me….part of a rotten culture and unlikely to be part of a healthier one. We have to stop players undermining our managers - whoever they are and however good they  are - or we’re sunk. 

I understand what you are saying, but I worked for a totally inept, uninspiring and useless boss. I was part of the Leadership team and would constantly question his decision making, but little changed. I know going to work and wanting to do my best was challenging working under such poor leadership. I think many of our experienced players saw just how poor our last 2 managers have been and have found it difficult to get motivated to play for them. Perhaps you would argue that the amount they are getting paid they should give it their all, but if you are demotivated and have no faith in the process, it's difficult.

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Dan

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Winks reminds me a bit of someone like Leon Britton if people remember him. He had a similar style of play. I think if the circumstances are built for him then he can be a useful player. If they're not, he's pretty hopeless. Maresca created a situation very beneficial to Winks. The club haven't and therefore it's been another pretty short-sighted signing.

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BKLFox

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1st and foremost we have to get out of the division & Winks will help with that regardless of manager.

We will regardless of style probably have more possession in most matches as many teams will just give it up as to not take a thumping, we will need players comfortable enough to receive, turn & play a pass he ticks all boxes, he will also aid those working along side him to be better, maybe that’s Skipp, then add in Ricardo I’m not sure we will need crash and thunder in CM but players who can do those 3 things.

 

I won’t cut my nose of to spite my face because he went and had drink in a pub garden during a game he wasn’t in the squad for and for all we know told to stay away 🤷‍♂️ so keep

Weller Wing

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Long time ago ,  but I'd have loved to escaped a crying baby for a night and stayed in a 5 star hotel , with probably a free bar.

 

Get the mum in law to help out.

 

He's not properly thought this through 😄

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Dan

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1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

 

That’s the difference they performed. In my opinion Winks hasn’t been outstanding, he did alright in the Championship but nothing special.

 

I wouldnt say Ruud is our worst ever manager because he’s probably been given the biggest sack of shit to work with out of any manager whatever his faults maybe. Taylor, Holloway will always be the worst by some distance due to 1 taking an established Premier league club back to championship round 1 and taking the club to the 3rd tier for the first time. I’d even say the demise of Rodger’s was worse. Coming into a shit team with shit players, shit coaches, no backing in the transfer window and doing shit is kind par for the course!

 

Honestly the best thing is a massive clear out, there’s a lot wrong at the club and it stems much further than a change of manager

The biggest problem I have here is that two years ago we were in exactly this position. Bomb out the toxic players and bring in hungry ones.

 

Well Winks was part of this initial revolution and it's gone the same way with him as well. My question is why does this keep happening no matter who comes in? I actually don't necessarily think he was always some bad egg. I just think there is very much a culture issue at this club which seems to rot virtually everybody who is involved in it.

 

The two main factors both ultimately stem from Aiyawatt - he sets the bar with the tolerance of people like Rudkin & Whelan, and the fact he's always got the players backs. They know they can take the piss here. Remember Faes? Genuinely humble when he got here now thinks he's above it. It's poisonous.

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Clever Fox

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2 hours ago, Weller Wing said:

Long time ago ,  but I'd have loved to escaped a crying baby for a night and stayed in a 5 star hotel , with probably a free bar.

 

Get the mum in law to help out.

 

He's not properly thought this through 😄

Well said. I'll bet he'd have a different reply now if asked the question again.  He'd probably walk to Seagrave to get away from the noise.

LCFCJohn

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12 hours ago, BKLFox said:

So Winks has beef with the guy that most will submit to the history books as being the worst manager we’ve ever had and can’t wait to see the back of, but Winks is the bad guy?

Why does it have to be one or the other?

 

RVN is a shit manager, the worst we have had. However, the one thing I’d give him any credit for is trying to instil a bit of discipline as this has been lacking since for years around this club. 
 

Winks has refused and spends match days sitting having what looks like afternoon tea with his family and posting it on social media. He is unprofessional and uncommitted.

 

They are both shit. RVN out and Winks out. 

Sly

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21 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Why does it have to be one or the other?

 

RVN is a shit manager, the worst we have had. However, the one thing I’d give him any credit for is trying to instil a bit of discipline as this has been lacking since for years around this club. 
 

Winks has refused and spends match days sitting having what looks like afternoon tea with his family and posting it on social media. He is unprofessional and uncommitted.

 

They are both shit. RVN out and Winks out. 

In fairness, if he’s not required in the match day squad and hasn’t been told to attend, he can go and watch Spurs if he wants. 

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Jon the Hat

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45 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Why does it have to be one or the other?

 

RVN is a shit manager, the worst we have had. However, the one thing I’d give him any credit for is trying to instil a bit of discipline as this has been lacking since for years around this club. 
 

Winks has refused and spends match days sitting having what looks like afternoon tea with his family and posting it on social media. He is unprofessional and uncommitted.

 

They are both shit. RVN out and Winks out. 

it is one thing to instil discipline, and another to demand something which is contrary to the players contract.  If they are not required by contract to stay at Seagrave, they cannot be compelled to do so.  Imagine your boss telling you to stay at your workplace once a week.  Its something which has to be agreed upfront imo.  Blown out of proportion.

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Muzzy_no7

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We won’t be able to sell Winks. Who’s gonna pay 2.5m for him AND pay him 80K+ a week?


No one will wanna pay us money for him let alone cover his wages so IMO he plays a big part next season.

 

Ndidi will be off and Soumare has no place so yeah, Winks will be a key man for us next season. 

Collymore

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Even if we get a new manager who  puts him back in the team will the fans accept him back?

 

I can imagine a lot of damage has been done and could see some booing when his name is announced. 

 

It is it a case of a few decent performances and all is forgiven? 

ClaphamFox

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15 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Even if we get a new manager who  puts him back in the team will the fans accept him back?

 

I can imagine a lot of damage has been done and could see some booing when his name is announced. 

 

It is it a case of a few decent performances and all is forgiven? 

That’s always the case. If he comes back in and plays well, hardly anybody will care about his spat with RVN. 

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The Year Of The Fox

The Year Of The Fox

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1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

it is one thing to instil discipline, and another to demand something which is contrary to the players contract.  If they are not required by contract to stay at Seagrave, they cannot be compelled to do so.  Imagine your boss telling you to stay at your workplace once a week.  Its something which has to be agreed upfront imo.  Blown out of proportion.

If your company was going down the shitter and you cared about them, you’d go above and beyond to help out. 

Jon the Hat

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1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

If your company was going down the shitter and you cared about them, you’d go above and beyond to help out. 

Not if my wife was struggling and needed me at home.  And LCFC are not going down the shitter are they?  Not like his salary in on the line here.

moore_94

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2 hours ago, Collymore said:

Even if we get a new manager who  puts him back in the team will the fans accept him back?

 

I can imagine a lot of damage has been done and could see some booing when his name is announced. 

 

It is it a case of a few decent performances and all is forgiven? 

I doubt the majority of match going fans are that bothered by this kind of thing with players tbh

AjcW

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2 hours ago, Collymore said:

It is it a case of a few decent performances and all is forgiven? 

We literally have Danny Simpson as the perfect example of this lol 

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