Southgate stepping down after Euros

[Tuna]

Couldn't see this anywhere so

 

 

[Wymsey]

He has done considerably well, compared to many others in the role.

 

Although he has been 'too safe' at times, in picking the 'usual' players like Maguire and Pickford.

Edited 4 September 2023 by Wymsey

[StanSP]

Can't see Pep going for it. 

[Tuna]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Can't see Pep going for it. 

Yeah that's just click bait isn't it.

[MPH]

I know he has his army of haters… but it is often results that you get judged upon. His methods and having his  favorites gets my goat… but I can’t deny he’s done better than a few have recently. Fair play to him…

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

I know he has his army of haters… but it is often results that you get judged upon. His methods and having his  favorites gets my goat… but I can’t deny he’s done better than a few have recently. Fair play to him…

Yep, the numbers and results are always the best arbiter and they will say he has done better at international tournaments than any manager since Ramsey. People might go on about the quality of players he has to accomplish that, but then the "Golden Generation" never got that far either.

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Yep, the numbers and results are always the best arbiter and they will say he has done better at international tournaments than any manager since Ramsey. People might go on about the quality of players he has to accomplish that, but then the "Golden Generation" never got that far either.

He has won nothing.  Simple as that.  Well past time to move on.  

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

He has won nothing.  Simple as that.  Well past time to move on.  

And nor has anyone else since Ramsey (with him getting closer than any other), so I'm not sure why folks are inclined to give him a harder time than those before him.

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, leicsmac said:

And nor has anyone else since Ramsey (with him getting closer than any other), so I'm not sure why folks are inclined to give him a harder time than those before him.

IMO we never looked like winning anything either.  Probably that.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

IMO we never looked like winning anything either.  Probably that.

Fair enough, that's between folks and their own consciences, then. I don't think that something so subjective can be really used to pass judgement in a hard fashion, though.

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, leicsmac said:

Fair enough, that's between folks and their own consciences, then. I don't think that something so subjective can be really used to pass judgement in a hard fashion, though.

Yes.  I expect Eddie Howe will be available to take over by the time the Euros are done, probably time for a nice 6 month holiday too..

[Dr Marco]

Sarina Wiegman to get the job

[The Year Of The Fox]

10 minutes ago, Dr Marco said:

Sarina Wiegman to get the job

Absolute shoe in isn’t it. The FA will be loving the appointment 

[grobyfox1990]

6 hours ago, MPH said:

I know he has his army of haters… but it is often results that you get judged upon. His methods and having his  favorites gets my goat… but I can’t deny he’s done better than a few have recently. Fair play to him…

Context, apples and oranges etc. I don’t hate him but he’s had an unbelievably talented crop of players, easy draws and a home tournament in 2021 and done nothing. If I get a load more resource and budget at work and the competition weaken, more would be expected of me than ‘did better than the last guy mate’ 

 

It’s well past his time to go, hope he does 

[ARTY_FOX]

14 minutes ago, Dr Marco said:

Sarina Wiegman to get the job

Won't happen.

 

Glad he's off. Wasted potential on him. 

Edited 5 September 2023 by ARTY_FOX

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Context, apples and oranges etc. I don’t hate him but he’s had an unbelievably talented crop of players, easy draws and a home tournament in 2021 and done nothing. If I get a load more resource and budget at work and the competition weaken, more would be expected of me than ‘did better than the last guy mate’ 

 

It’s well past his time to go, hope he does 

....and previous managers have had these advantages and done worse.

 

Again, I think it's simply irrational to deliver special opprobrium to the guy by comparison.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

IMO we never looked like winning anything either.  Probably that.

Apart from the final we reached and lost on penalties, but yeah never looked like it. I don't rate the bloke but he's at least gave the country decent runs to enjoy.

[grobyfox1990]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

....and previous managers have had these advantages and done worse.

 

Again, I think it's simply irrational to deliver special opprobrium to the guy by comparison.

Did they? I don’t follow England as closely as city but in my memory I can’t remember the 3 things coming together at once. 
 

1996 was a home tournament, was the draw as easy as 2018 and 2021 and were our players at the same level global club level? I was too young 

[EastAnglianFox]

Would be current European champions now if it wasn’t for him.

 

Id prefer it if he went before the tournament but this is next best thing I guess 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Did they? I don’t follow England as closely as city but in my memory I can’t remember the 3 things coming together at once. 
 

1996 was a home tournament, was the draw as easy as 2018 and 2021 and were our players at the same level global club level? I was too young 

It's not just having all these advantages, it's a matter of the degree of each advantage. For me the current squad isn't as talented as either 1996 or 2004-2006, the draws in 2018 and 2021 were about as easy as anything else in the 2010's and of course we had the home tournament in 1996.

 

The point being that other managers have had the same advantages that Southgate had had to varying degrees (sometimes greater IMO) and they've all done worse. Of course, judging such advantages is entirely subjective and therefore flawed which is why I tend to stick to just numbers when judging such matters anyhow. They don't lie, even when people's interpretations of them try to.

[leicsmac]

NB. Another thing: I'm prepared to bet that there wouldn't be as much criticism of the guy not doing all that well with his resources compared to his peers if he was a beefy, tells-it-how-it-is 4-4-2 merchant.

[leicesterisme]

8 hours ago, Wymsey said:

He has done considerably well, compared to many others in the role.

 

Although he has been 'too safe' at times, in picking the 'usual' players like Maguire and Pickford.

Pickford is England's best goalkeeper, who else is he meant to pick? 

[Lionator]

There’s nothing legit in the article, all speculation. I think he stays on until 2026 personally. 

[Bert]

It’s very much a nonsense article. Says he’s could leave. Says he could stay. 

[Fox in the North]

I’m torn. In term of football coaching quality, we should obviously be doing better. However in terms of leadership and togetherness, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more united squad which obviously helps in tournaments. We just never have the tactical nous to get over the line.