The "do they mean us?" thread pt 4

[smudger63]

On 09/06/2024 at 08:42, ealingfox said:

 

He tried to stop us from signing him the shameless bastard

 

Thank god for Pearson and Walsh.

Im sorry, but we wouldn't have won the league with Pearson, we just wouldn't.

Similarly to this season, with Vardy calling the players meeting, with no manager involvement, after the Plymouth game, which I think probably made the difference and got us promoted, without Cambiasso doing the same in the great escape season, i dont think we would have stayed up that season either.

Pearson was fantastic for us, and turned the club around after being relegated to the third division, and he created a great culture at the club, and he and his staff were absolutely integral in putting together the title winning squad, and so absolutely contributed to us winning the Premier league, but as the manager himself, he was never going to win it, not a chance.

[foxfanazer]

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

Like most things there is a middle ground between the two extreme assumptions. The genius of Pearson is that he instills in players the responsibility of being accountable to one another. That's how you build a solid dressing room. If the collective then come to him with ideas to improve then he takes them on board with good faith. That's how you manage footballers rather than just coach them. That's the difference.

[Unabomber]

17 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

I know it’s one of the most crazy theories on here. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, smudger63 said:

Im sorry, but we wouldn't have won the league with Pearson, we just wouldn't.

Similarly to this season, with Vardy calling the players meeting, with no manager involvement, after the Plymouth game, which I think probably made the difference and got us promoted, without Cambiasso doing the same in the great escape season, i dont think we would have stayed up that season either.

Pearson was fantastic for us, and turned the club around after being relegated to the third division, and he created a great culture at the club, and he and his staff were absolutely integral in putting together the title winning squad, and so absolutely contributed to us winning the Premier league, but as the manager himself, he was never going to win it, not a chance.

Cambiasso probably did motivate players, he'd done it all in football (he's won more than us..), but this is no different to any other club. Every club has players that stand and be counted, motivating the others, but it doesn't take away from the manager.

[smudger63]

41 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

What happened in the 29 games prior to the Cambiasso meeting?

[foxfanazer]

16 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

What happened in the 29 games prior to the Cambiasso meeting?

At no stage in that season were we bad. So it's a given that there was a "Cambiasso meeting" then? 

 

Bear in mind he'd already got us promoted and players like Kasper have gone on record saying they'd run through brick walls for him. 

 

Edited 11 June 2024 by foxfanazer

[Jobyfox]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

The Cambiasso meeting is one of the more revered pieces of Foxestalk folklore. 

 

Some have even used it as evidence that he should be our next manager. 

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Jobyfox said:

The Cambiasso meeting is one of the more revered pieces of Foxestalk folklore. 

 

Some have even used it as evidence that he should be our next manager. 

I always thought it was used ironically (I've done it myself) but clearly I'm wrong 

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

At no stage in that season were we bad. So it's a given that there was a "Cambiasso meeting" then? 

 

Bear in mind he'd already got us promoted and players like Kasper have gone on record saying they'd run through brick walls for him. 

 

We were. I think people forget. We didn't get "battered", as such, but some games were awful. 

 

Not that it matters now of course and Nige kept us up but we were bottom of the league in the first place..

[Langston]

12 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

At no stage in that season were we bad. So it's a given that there was a "Cambiasso meeting" then?

 

 

I adore Pearson, he's my favourite ever City manager. But I see this a lot re: 14/15, and it isn't true. Palace, Newcastle, Swansea, Soton and West Ham away were all absolutely terrible. Just because we didn't get beaten by more than 2 goals, it doesn't mean we weren't bad. We were awful in October / November.

 

 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

It's absolute pish, he sat down with Ulloa and just pencilled in where we could get points. Then somehow it turns into him calling meetings and taking over from Pearson. 

[bovril]

Man United 5-3 to Christmas time we were awful. We improved but didn't get the results until King's goal vs WHU. 

[smudger63]

9 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

At no stage in that season were we bad. So it's a given that there was a "Cambiasso meeting" then? 

 

Bear in mind he'd already got us promoted and players like Kasper have gone on record saying they'd run through brick walls for him. 

 

I'm not saying he couldn't motivate players, I actually think it was a massive strength of Pearson, as was creating a good culture at the club, but he got found wanting in the Premier league, up until he changed the formation to 3-5-2, and it was shite or bust time.

We hadn't been terrible  but Pearson went away from his attack minded approach of the promotion season, clearly because he was worried we wouldn't get away with playing that way, but he was fixated with trying to stay in games, rather than win them, so it was always said, that we never took a hammering, and we usually only lost by the odd goal, but we weren't picking points up playing that way.

I remember being at Southampton, and we stayed in the game but didn't have a shot until about the 80th minute, and we lost a game we could have won.

It was only when it was shite or bust time that he changed the formation and really let the players off the leash.

That said, we have alot to thank Pearson for, as I said in an earlier post. 

We wouldn't have won the league without the squad that he built, and he turned the whole club around from the lowest we had been in, but we wouldn't have won the Premier league with him as the manager.

 

 

 

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We were. I think people forget. We didn't get "battered", as such, but some games were awful. 

 

Not that it matters now of course and Nige kept us up but we were bottom of the league in the first place..

I think we were just a typical promoted side though. Don't feel like we were particularly underachieving. I'm just not buying that the likes of Vardy etc were galvanised by a player meeting led by Cambiasso 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I think we were just a typical promoted side though. Don't feel like we were particularly underachieving. I'm just not buying that the likes of Vardy etc were galvanised by a player meeting led by Cambiasso 

Quite. Especially when you take into consideration the togetherness of the squad in 13/14 after the Watford playoff. That squad was rock solid under Pearson way before Cambiasso arrived.

 

I think a certain group of people just idolise Cambiasso, which to a certain extent is fair enough, he was good for us.

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

From reading Vardy’s book, I wouldn’t want Cambiasso managing the club as it may mean the end of JV, who I think still has a lot to offer. 

[sylofox]

On 09/06/2024 at 20:12, lfu said:

Wouldn't surprise me if that someone was Rudkin

Landing back at East Midlands Airport from Sevilla only for Rudders to pull him into a conference room at the team's hotel and tell him he's sacked, despite two weeks earlier being told his job was secure

Ffs give it up. Vichai was the man that pulled the trigger. If rudkin did the deed it was under instruction form the top.

 

Rudkin would have had no say in the matter.

Only Top could change his dad's mind as in Pearson sacked no he's not.

 

People need to stop making shit up about Rudkin. He ain't no good that don't mean every little thing wrong at the club is his fault.

[Roosters boots]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I can't believe people really think that Cambiasso kept us up that season. Say what you want about Pearson but his man management and ability to motivate his players was second to none here

Huth helped a lot 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I think we were just a typical promoted side though. Don't feel like we were particularly underachieving. I'm just not buying that the likes of Vardy etc were galvanised by a player meeting led by Cambiasso 

He didn't like him trying to a captain when we already had one.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, Roosters boots said:

Huth helped a lot 

Massively

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I think we were just a typical promoted side though. Don't feel like we were particularly underachieving. I'm just not buying that the likes of Vardy etc were galvanised by a player meeting led by Cambiasso 

I have never bought that either and have always felt that Huth was more influential.

 

I was just replying to that specific part of your post because we were bad in a lot of games hence bottom of the league for a lot of the season. There were people on here calling for Pearson out. But people forget all that now.

 

And I love Nige as much as the next fan.

Edited 11 June 2024 by Fox92

[dmayne7]

28 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

At no stage in that season were we bad. So it's a given that there was a "Cambiasso meeting" then? 

 

Bear in mind he'd already got us promoted and players like Kasper have gone on record saying they'd run through brick walls for him. 

 

Obviously results were but I also think people forget this. We played lots of good football, maybe only lost by more than 2 goals once? We just made mistakes at both ends of the pitch. We got a bit of luck thanks to that goal from Andy King and that was it.

 

Claudio was a perfect storm. Wouldn't have won it with Pearson but equally I think we'd have established ourselves as a top 10 PL side and probably best of the rest under him

[sylofox]

6 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

There were people on here calling for Pearson out. But people forget all that now.

 

I won't. I was getting dog's abuse on here after Xmas for saying we would stay up and supporting NP. Even Wenger said about Xmas that we would stay up.

 

But nothing changes on here. Once one or two get an opinion on something it goes viral. Just look at Rudkin and no I don't support him or want him at the club. But not everything is his fault yet so many think it is. Our financial mess is not down to him.

 

But the way some go on it's totally his fault.

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, Roosters boots said:

Huth helped a lot 

Arguably our best ever transfer