LCFC Fans Consultative Committee Meeting 06/09/23 Minutes

[fox_up_north]

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Vincent Kompany disproved that theory in his master's dissertation. 

 

The money spinner in football are the broadcast rights. The crowds are an integral part to creating that broadcast value. Cheaper tickets = more fans = less sanitised = more atmosphere

 

City appear to have taken a business decision to concentrate on holding what they have. 35k who more or less,.turn up out of habit. I include myself in that. It's an incorrect business decision . City should actively pursue involving more people outside of their core

Excellent reference. I have the great pleasure of working within sport and his dissertation was very well received. He was bang on - part of the product that broadcasters sell IS the atmosphere. 

 

Most of our grounds, the fans are right by the action and that isn't something many other countries replicate. Fans are part of the product being sold and should be treated to better prices, to improve the saleability of that asset. 

 

The very fact that broadcasters piped in crowd noise over covid proves Kompany's theory correct.

[VLC86]

On 17/10/2023 at 08:04, CosbehFox said:

Still blows my mind that the Ginetta’s get an invite. The self appointed Supporters Club 

I think some of the people that go along, emphasis on the some before people go mental, go along for the jolly and are asked to do that so the club have agreeing voices on the forum.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Makes me laugh when people (probably season ticket holders) talk about memberships like they are actually worth anything.

 

They're a paywall. Nothing more nothing less. You pay your money which lets you pay again for hideously expensive match by match tickets. Don't try and dress it up as anything else.

[Raj]

Surely you all know by now that this is just a tick exercise by the club.

They couldn't give a flying fvck what anyone at the meeting has to say.

It's an inconvenience  that they are obligated to do.

 

[SemperEadem]

3 minutes ago, Raj said:

Surely you all know by now that this is just a tick exercise by the club.

They couldn't give a flying fvck what anyone at the meeting has to say.

It's an inconvenience  that they are obligated to do.

 

This is the truth. Half of the names go there with the best intentions, I do believe this. The other half just go for the access, kudos and spread put on.

[ealingfox]

'I want to and must see the players walking on to the pitch' is just the most risible mentality - really just reveals that the person sees the match as being for their personal benefit. To claim that you've 'missed key occasions' because of a tifo is just hysterical nonsense. Why do we have so many of these twats in our fanbase?

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Makes me laugh when people (probably season ticket holders) talk about memberships like they are actually worth anything.

 

They're a paywall. Nothing more nothing less. You pay your money which lets you pay again for hideously expensive match by match tickets. Don't try and dress it up as anything else.

I'm a long standing ST holder and I think the paying other than a small admin fee is verging on the criminal and match day prices are unnecessarily too high. I'm just glad I have and can afford a ST.

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Makes me laugh when people (probably season ticket holders) talk about memberships like they are actually worth anything.

 

They're a paywall. Nothing more nothing less. You pay your money which lets you pay again for hideously expensive match by match tickets. Don't try and dress it up as anything else.

Memberships are a scam. 

 

Paying for the right to pay for a ticket? Nah.

 

What next, a concession stand membership giving you the right to buy a slightly less burnt piece of food? How about a merch membership allowing KPFC customers the chance to get into the fan store 5 minutes before it usually opens. Car parking memberships? Clapper memberships? The opportunities are huge - get on it, Big Susan.

[Dan]

This club are extremely good at keeping the fans in check aren't they. Pains me to see it happening. The Trust are now just another propaganda arm of the club and the vast majority won't ask serious questions when a season like last pans out. They've bought this fanbase good and proper.

[Corky]

If the Trust want a cushy number then fine, it is allowed. Just don't dress it up as doing it for the fans.

[Dan]

52 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

'I want to and must see the players walking on to the pitch' is just the most risible mentality - really just reveals that the person sees the match as being for their personal benefit. To claim that you've 'missed key occasions' because of a tifo is just hysterical nonsense. Why do we have so many of these twats in our fanbase?

Convinced we have a higher proportion than virtually any other club.

[CosbehFox]

Btw Leeds have introduced a similar membership scheme and their fans are on the whole outraged by it.
 

It was cleverly introduced at LCFC when we were promoted and the scramble was on to be first in the queue for any available matchday tickets. 

[Footballwipe]

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

 

 

[Voll Blau]

4 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

If they'd have had this policy for the whole of my lifetime then I wouldn't have got to a game the majority of the time. Suspect most of us are in that bracket.

 

I can't believe anyone would defend the club over what is such a stupid and self-defeating way of running things.

[davieG]

6 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

 

 

It's really not far off Extortion, buy an over priced membership or we wont let you in.

 

Either that or they just don't need the money and certainly not future long term committed fans. 

 

With this approach they wont need a bigger stadium but then these are not the type of fans they're extending it for. 

[SemperEadem]

33 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

 

 

Reading stuff like this is so depressing. It crops up with such regularity now too. Sad 

[oz was my hero]

16 hours ago, Daggers said:

Memberships are a scam. 

 

Paying for the right to pay for a ticket? Nah.

 

What next, a concession stand membership giving you the right to buy a slightly less burnt piece of food? How about a merch membership allowing KPFC customers the chance to get into the fan store 5 minutes before it usually opens. Car parking memberships? Clapper memberships? The opportunities are huge - get on it, Big Susan.

Membership is a complete scam. Unfortunately  if you want to go to games regularly the club has you by the nuts. Wouldn't mind so much if tickets were cheaper . If I go to every home game this season it will cost me double the price of a season ticket. For me and my wound one over £1200 for rhe season in the kop. There also seems to be a thing with the majority  of tickets being category A. Seems more than last season on ratio so they charge £39 a ticket for most games. 

[westernpark]

I’ve probably told this story before but at the Brentford home game last season, which didn’t sell out, a Ukrainian refugee turned up at the stadium to buy a ticket. He (apparently) explained the situation that this was his only opportunity to ever buy a ticket for a club he’d supported for a good few years but from what he said, they made him buy a membership for the one occasion, otherwise he’d have been denied a ticket. That example for me is indicative of what the club is about now. 

[lcfc278]

The clubs whole approach to ticketing, especially since returning after Covid, has been nothing short of scandalous. We're very lucky as a club we have a lot of people who want to go and see matches and most of these people are lucky enough to have a ST or be able to afford memberships each year. The fact that on top of all of the above, when there have been games that could go to general sale to allow casual/first-time fans to go to a match, they haven't been put on sale or you've had to buy them through someone with a purchase history, has been a massive shame for a club I always grew up thinking was a part of Leicester and behind the people of Leicester from top to bottom.

 

The knock on affect of all of this is there's thousands of kids and teenagers that have never been to games or haven't been able to regularly, that will now grow up without any real connection to the club. By the time this comes to fruition, and I think it will be in the next 10-15 years when we have a bigger stadium, the club will be crying out for ticket sales and there will be a huge chunk of Leicester/Leicestershire that will then have no real desire to go.

 

The people behind these issues now such as many of the senior management, Whelan, the Ticket Office, will all have moved on by then and it will be none of their business. It all feels very short term, squeeze what '£' we can get out of those who can pay now and then worry about the long term affects in further down the line.

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, lcfc278 said:

The clubs whole approach to ticketing, especially since returning after Covid, has been nothing short of scandalous. We're very lucky as a club we have a lot of people who want to go and see matches and most of these people are lucky enough to have a ST or be able to afford memberships each year.

We aren’t, it shits on the whole fan base that people are happy to be taken for mugs and do nothing about it. 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

 

 

Similar examples I have encountered with family members which includes young children. 

 

When you throw in that the club have tried to officialise passing on of tickets - it encourages people to take the risk and buy second hand via social media etc. 

Edited 19 October 2023 by CosbehFox

[davieG]

The King Power can hold up to 32,373 supporters for Leicester’s home games, putting the club behind the likes of Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds United, among others in the second tier.

The average attendance at the Leicester home ground so far this season has seen 31,387 people watching Maresca’s side.

 

Are we missing nearly a 1000 fans on average for each game?

[FoxesWalk]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Feels like everyone drinks the KPFC kool-aid in one way or another - for some it's memberships.

 

My sister and her partner as v causal fans, they rocked up to the window on gameday for Stoke wanting two tickets. "got a membership?" they were asked. Ofc they don't.

 

So to get two tickets to the game on a walk-up they'd have had to drop nigh on £140 combined in order to get in, so they could get a membership and two expensive tickets. Naturally they walked away.

 

If people can't see what's wrong with that then pick up that bottle and keep drinking from it.

 

 

It’s self defeating too, many working class people simply cannot afford to attend games now, and young people in general are priced out without help. It’s no wonder football crowds are getting older and more middle class. Where is the next generation of match-going fans going to come from? 

We are far from alone with this, football in the UK is sleepwalking into a pretty big problem in the medium term. 

Edited 19 October 2023 by FoxesWalk

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, lcfc278 said:

The people behind these issues now such as many of the senior management, Whelan, the Ticket Office, will all have moved on by then and it will be none of their business. It all feels very short term, squeeze what '£' we can get out of those who can pay now and then worry about the long term affects in further down the line.

I am not sure. The ticket office hasn't changed in years bar the appointment of some stiff bod three years ago who dropped an almighty bollock by allowing general sale for European games. A fish straight out of the Cov/Ricoh Arena stable we like appointing. 

[Fox92]

30 minutes ago, davieG said:

The King Power can hold up to 32,373 supporters for Leicester’s home games, putting the club behind the likes of Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds United, among others in the second tier.

The average attendance at the Leicester home ground so far this season has seen 31,387 people watching Maresca’s side.

 

Are we missing nearly a 1000 fans on average for each game?

All three grounds mentioned there are much bigger than our ground, but Wednesday don't average more than us.

I know that wasn't the point you're trying to make, mind.