LCFC Fans Consultative Committee Meeting 06/09/23 Minutes

[Foxes1]

So 15 people representing fans who are these, 2 from supporters club, 2 from foxes trust, some from disabled supporters assoc.

As for the football operations side of things nothing discussed as it wasn't deemed appropriate for this meeting I take it that was to do with what went wrong last season with the s**t show regarding transfers and the running down of contracts, looks like the hierarchy are dodging bullets again.

[Golden Fox]

It really frustrates me reading through the minutes that it feels like a cosy club of middle class season ticket holders who want to make things better for themselves with their sanitised matchday experience of having a a beer in the bar beforehand, getting food and drink from the concourse and not having to put up with the rabble (fan behaviour and drug taking both mentioned) - and they are wasting the opportunity of engagement with the club - which the club are only too happy to do knowing it is a tick box exercise for them.

 

The most frustrating thing for me is availability of tickets. I don't want to pay through the nose for membership for a chance of tickets, but the club are doing nothing to enable more people to go.

 

This was raised, with a lame response that there are risks general sale could go to away fans - please call the club out on this BS. Its a lame excuse that isn't challenged when the real reason is the club want to maximise profits - getting more from memberships and paying less for stewards. But everybody goes away happy as the club have given an answer and the FoxesTrust are likely season ticket holders who couldn't care less whether other people can get a chance to go or not.

 

I've thought that the criticism of the Trust on here has been a bit unfair, but they really aren't looking out for the supporter base or the real issues people have or extracting proper answers from the club. Its a very disappointing read.

[AKCJ]

To play devil's advocate...

 

(I don't sit in the Kop, I don't know anyone that well that does in fact.)

 

But why are the Tifos always in the Kop? Would it hurt to spread them around? If people are getting pissed off then surely it's up to groups like FoxesTrust to sort it out?

[AKCJ]

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Since the meeting was held, one reciprocal away ticket price deal has been confirmed with Leeds United at £30 per Adult.

Excellent news that. Was assuming this would be a £40+ job.

[AjcW]

4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

To play devil's advocate...

 

(I don't sit in the Kop, I don't know anyone that well that does in fact.)

 

But why are the Tifos always in the Kop? Would it hurt to spread them around? If people are getting pissed off then surely it's up to groups like FoxesTrust to sort it out?

I imagine the entire concept is the away fans see them. Which means kop or west stand…. Probably don’t need to tell you why it’s not in the west stand 🤣🤣

[SemperEadem]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

To play devil's advocate...

 

(I don't sit in the Kop, I don't know anyone that well that does in fact.)

 

But why are the Tifos always in the Kop? Would it hurt to spread them around? If people are getting pissed off then surely it's up to groups like FoxesTrust to sort it out?

A few reasons -

Because those that make them are there.

You are more likely get get adults to hold up paper than kids (although not in every case).

Its the traditional end.

Its the fullest end.

We have detailed plans of that end.
Ambulance entrance not rammed with police meaning message banners can’t be stored there.

Logistics of getting 40 bodies back from the family stand into the kop.

[guest123]

57 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

This is why it's imperative that people who enjoy the tifos let the club know. They put far too much stock in the opinions of the minority for whom watching some men walk out of a tunnel is the best thing about football.

interesting, that seeing the players walk out isn't seen as important but in another thread people are having meltdowns about people not staying to watch them walk back down that tunnel...

[Voll Blau]

2 minutes ago, guest123 said:

interesting, that seeing the players walk out isn't seen as important but in another thread people are having meltdowns about people not staying to watch them walk back down that tunnel...

Nobody's having a "meltdown" about people not staying to watch players walk back down a tunnel. People are annoyed that a large proportion of our fanbase won't stay until the final whistle - at minimum - no matter the context of the last few minutes of a game.

 

In any case, both a pre-match tifo and a full ground cheering at the end are things that are far more likely to inspire the team than the alternatives.

[CosbehFox]

59 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

he adds nothing - but excludes someone who could add something

Superbly summed up there

[CosbehFox]

58 minutes ago, Foxes1 said:

So 15 people representing fans who are these, 2 from supporters club, 2 from foxes trust, some from disabled supporters assoc.

As for the football operations side of things nothing discussed as it wasn't deemed appropriate for this meeting I take it that was to do with what went wrong last season with the s**t show regarding transfers and the running down of contracts, looks like the hierarchy are dodging bullets again.

Some of those people were appointed by a plea from the club for fans to take part. That can't be denied. But yeah there's groups in there here its the same faces, same names and has been for years and years. 

[guest123]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

Nobody's having a "meltdown" about people not staying to watch players walk back down a tunnel. People are annoyed that a large proportion of our fanbase won't stay until the final whistle - at minimum - no matter the context of the last few minutes of a game.

 

In any case, both a pre-match tifo and a full ground cheering at the end are things that are far more likely to inspire the team than the alternatives.

I just find it baffling and amazing that on here there is practically no acceptance that not everyone wants to do the same thing. Far too many people on here, and in reality are a really small proportion of the match going fans simply think what they want is the only way people should watch football. I don't mind the tifo's as I don't often sit anywhere where it would be above my head but I can understand that some people may have had the same seat since we moved grounds and don't want them blocking their view. those people are neither right nor wrong, nor are the people who want them displayed. I just wish people would accept other people want to do things differently, and not get "annoyed" that we all don't do the same.

[ian__marshall]

What a weird meeting. No wonder nothing changes at the club. Reading those minutes the topics discussed are so trivial. Feels like it's a PR exercise for the club to appease a group of self nominated folk who believe their views represent the broader fan base whilst ticking the inclusion box. 

 

I'm interested as to how two sets of family members are able to sit on the board of representatives. Surely this shouldn't be allowed as it has the potential to skew any votes. That in itself tells me the club place no value on these discussions. 

 

Looking at the comments concerning catering prices I'd question the accuracy of the 10% increase in 2 years. Soft drinks alone have increased 19% in that period of time. Whilst I don't tend to indulge in the food, snacks or beer, I can't recall any of these prices either remaining static or increasing marginally to achieve the claimed 10% average increase, so it begs the question as to why no one has challenged this claim particularly as it was raised by the fans committee. How can you raise a concern and present no evidence to substantiate said claim? 

 

I guess what would be interesting to understand is what the attendees of these meetings actually feel like they are getting for their investment of time? I think I'd be inclined to step away from these meetings if the club wasted my time with such mundane topics. 

[Daggers]

So, the club continues to move slower than a glacier on issues that concern actual fans and a Trust member in Row 10 of the Kop can’t see Filbert clapping the players out. 
 

Meanwhile, slaps on the back all round for getting Norwich to only charge £11 more than any ticket should ever cost. 
 

Brilliant work, everyone. See you again in six months when Big Susan will again have an unavoidable prior engagement and send her apologies. 
 

Up the KPFC! 👏 

[RonnieTodger]

I have so much contempt for our fans

[Mark]

11 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Can’t believe people are actually moaning about this, 

 

• Clap Banners - The Club to look at how these are distributed, including an option of having them in designated collection points for supporters to collect, rather than them being handed out as supporters enter the turnstiles.

 

• South Stand TIFO Displays - Concerns around suporters sitting in bottom 10 rows having views blocked as players walk out. Can the displays be in another area of the ground? Supporters have missed key occasions (Champions League, season openers etc).

I'm with the first point, don't want a clapper almost being forced into my hands as soon as I walk through the turnstile. Have them available to collect elsewhere or get rid altogether.

[Guest Lako42]

That load of old shit took a month to publish. 

 

Embarrassing 

[Foxes1]

48 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Some of those people were appointed by a plea from the club for fans to take part. That can't be denied. But yeah there's groups in there here its the same faces, same names and has been for years and years. 

That's why you will never get change, too many fans at the club / attending these meetings have become set in their ways and don't want change.

[jammie82uk]

34 minutes ago, Mark said:

I'm with the first point, don't want a clapper almost being forced into my hands as soon as I walk through the turnstile. Have them available to collect elsewhere or get rid altogether.

It must be different around the ground then as when I enter the stadium there is somebody standing to the side holding the box allowing people to take if they wish, the amount of attention that clappers and Tifos get on here is quite frankly ridiculous in my opinion 

[Craig]

29 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

That load of old shit took a month to publish. 

 

Embarrassing 

I also like how it states that it'll take no more than two weeks to distribute the minutes  

[RoboFox]

1 hour ago, guest123 said:

interesting, that seeing the players walk out isn't seen as important but in another thread people are having meltdowns about people not staying to watch them walk back down that tunnel...

I bet the people who moan about not being able to see the walk out because of a fifo twice a season, are the same ones who leave 15 minutes early to avoid the traffic every game. 

 

A bit like with the Trust, the fans consultative committee just seems like a bunch of old boys more concerned with the status of being part of the committee. This is why the club never get challenged on anything for fear of upsetting the prawn sandwich cart.

 

It's a nice night out where everyone can give each other a big slap on the back and continue to enjoy the crustacean cobs on match day. 

[RoboFox]

Was anyone from UFS there?

[Gamble92]

4 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Attending a match is such an inconvenience to some isn't it.

I get the feeling there's some who have just renewed this season just because they don't want to lose their Premier League season ticket. But they have an air of arrogance about not coming, or leaving early this season. 

[ren]

Pathetic statement as usual.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

This is why it's imperative that people who enjoy the tifos let the club know. They put far too much stock in the opinions of the minority for whom watching some men walk out of a tunnel is the best thing about football.

...yeah very much we need to convey the appreciation of the Tifos, but what the gentleman is saying is quite valid!!!

  It's not about players walking out the tunnel,  it is not that simple.

   It is about walking to the game, surrounding by like minded people dressed in your club colours and the cacophony of sounds barely decipherably approaching the stadium. This is the precursor to all home games and the anticipation of the game grows as we look at the clocking counting down the minutes.

  As usual there will be late arrivals and having to stand up to let people pass as they get to their seats in your row. You have had your beer and discussed the team sheet and the doubts of the set up have not been alleviated after an hour of friendly discourse.

  The horn blower strides out on the pitch and he proceeds to blow the call, the day, the whole expectancy of what is about to unfold has started. The players run out and we great the gladiators, because that is what the are and they are fighting for us.

  In that one moment, tension and excitement is released into a stadium where we fail to witness anything such as this anytime in our lives, this only happens on matchdays.

[purpleronnie]

I am mates with a lad who was involved at a recent fan consultation at a scottish club.  The difference is staggering.  The club were totally on board with the supporters group, were all for safe standing to be introduced for the group, megaphones, drums and displays all green lit...in fact 90% of the meeting was about how the club could accomodate them.  Very very little opposition at all to anything the fans wanted.

 

More evidence on why the scottish scene is growing so much and why they are attracting a huge amount of younger fans to games.

Edited 17 October 2023 by purpleronnie