Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

what’s more interesting, will be to see if we decide to sue man city and chelsea for our lost champions league money… 

That had crossed my mind.

 

This has opened a can of worms and providing the powers that be have got the bollocks stick by their decisions across the board, i'm all for it (I don't think they do have the bollocks however). 

[Dahnsouff]

19 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

what’s more interesting, will be to see if we decide to sue man city and chelsea for our lost champions league money… 

Assuming that is why none of this will come to much beyond posturing.

[urban.spaceman]

25 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

what’s more interesting, will be to see if we decide to sue man city and chelsea for our lost champions league money… 

We should absolutely, 100% go after the pair of them.

 

I know I keep banging this drum but their cheating has explicitly cost us hundreds of millions of pounds. Possibly up to half a billion quid, as our lack of Champions League football snowballed to the point where we were unable to add to the squad without breaking the rules, the same rules that Everton broke.

 

ACCOUNTABILITY.

[Foxmeister]

40 minutes ago, urban fox said:

You forgot the FA cup

Yep, and the 9-0.

[Qwerty]

The ramifications of us and Burnley winning a compensation claim would be huge.  Unfortunately I think, for this reason, we won’t win.  It would open up the floodgates for multiple other claims, and set some precedents that the PL/FA couldn’t cope with. 

[urban.spaceman]

Well the good news is, as a fanbase, they’re taking it really, really well. 
 

 

[Qwerty]

3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Well the good news is, as a fanbase, they’re taking it really, really well. 
 

Well if they’re not happy with the treatment they’re getting in the Premier League, they’re welcome to come to the Championship instead, where they would have been anyway if they hadn’t cheated

 

[don_danbury]

will find out what?

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

2 hours ago, don_danbury said:

will find out what?

That they'll get relegated. That will teach a lesson to Premier League not to mess again with Everton. 

They will also prohibit the use of their new stadium for Euro 2028. They will only allow Taylor Swift's gigs there. 

[trugerkem]

Put the miserable tosses in the National League

[Tom12345]

On 18/11/2023 at 22:05, Fear Of The Fox said:

Here's one of the hundreds of articles regarding the Everton's situation. This one is from December 2021:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html

 

They knew they were in trouble and they kept on breaching the rules to gain advantage on and off the pitch. 

And now they are selling the club. To them it probably made business sense that they breached the rules, suffered some penalties as a result (but now they are seemingly inconsequential because of the timing) and would be able to fetch a much higher sale price for being an EPL club with the consequence now known and manageable. They played it well to our disadvantage.

[CosbehFox]

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

Edited 20 November 2023 by CosbehFox

[ClaphamFox]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

I suspect we’ll be persuaded not to pursue legal action for these reasons. 

[Qwerty]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

I can see what you’re saying - but “turning the other cheek” still seems bloody unfair, when they’ve taken the PL place and money that should have been (and would have been if they hadn’t cheated) ours.  It’s hard to get past how unfair it is.  And whilst Everton have been punished, the current sanction doesn’t help us (or Burnley), the victims, in any way at all.  Which feels wrong to me.  
 

It’s like standing in a queue for a bus, and someone pushing in front of you, and getting the last seat.  Their punishment might be having a seat without a nice view, but really I’d want them to give me some compensation money, so I could get a different bus, rather than walking home.  

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

Plenty of clubs go into administration. Why is it any different just because it's Everton? They have been found guilty of breaking rules. If they hadn't (broken the rules) it most probably would've meant relegation and the loss of revenue (and job losses) that other clubs have had to suffer due to their cheating. Their actions have led to other clubs suffering. 

 

Everton are not a special case. 

[moore_94]

Everton have cheated and will basically end up getting away with it

 

Not having that

[Lesta Legend]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

Us getting relegated has put a stop on our own development and our community has now suffered as a direct consequence. Liverpool is a huge super rich city with billions of pounds worth of infrastructure developments. Our development would have been a huge gain for this city and Everton’s development would have continued regardless. 
 

West Ham were successfully sued before, they’ll be fine. It wouldn’t be £300m, it be considerably less. 
 

Saying all that I’m sure this isn’t happening. 
 

But one thing is certain we were Masters of our own downfall but Everton did outspend without a care for the rules of a number of seasons. If they stuck to the rules they’d have long been relegated. 
 

BTW we would be less capitalist FC as Everton are the organisation that has used capitalism to its own gain outside of the rules and state control. We’d be getting our rightful redistribution of the wealth, straight out of Das Kapital. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

Plenty of clubs go into administration. Why is it any different just because it's Everton? They have been found guilty of breaking rules. If they hadn't (broken the rules) it most probably would've meant relegation and the loss of revenue (and job losses) that other clubs have had to suffer due to their cheating. Their actions have led to other clubs suffering. 

 

Everton are not a special case. 

If you can give me an example where a fellow football club executed an act which made a club go into administration, then I’ll accept that.  We received as per other relegated clubs of a parachute payment to deal with relegation. 

 

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Everton have cheated and will basically end up getting away with it

 

Not having that

Ten points deducted 

 

1 hour ago, Lesta Legend said:

Us getting relegated has put a stop on our own development and our community has now suffered as a direct consequence. Liverpool is a huge super rich city with billions of pounds worth of infrastructure developments. Our development would have been a huge gain for this city and Everton’s development would have continued regardless. 
 

West Ham were successfully sued before, they’ll be fine. It wouldn’t be £300m, it be considerably less. 
 

Saying all that I’m sure this isn’t happening. 
 

But one thing is certain we were Masters of our own downfall but Everton did outspend without a care for the rules of a number of seasons. If they stuck to the rules they’d have long been relegated. 
 

BTW we would be less capitalist FC as Everton are the organisation that has used capitalism to its own gain outside of the rules and state control. We’d be getting our rightful redistribution of the wealth, straight out of Das Kapital. 

West Ham agreed it out of court on their own terms - which meant running it over five to six years in their settlement. 
 

We are going beyond the means of a drop in division - to push a club to the end of its existence. 
 

Ain’t comfortable with that 

Edited 20 November 2023 by CosbehFox

[moore_94]

14 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Ten points deducted 

During a season where it is effectively going to make no difference to whether they stay up

 

They overspent for years, scraped staying up 2 years in a row, and then only get the punishment when it doesn’t really matter

[surrifox]

3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

I tell you why I don’t like the idea of suing them. I’ve tried to pause on it this weekend to summarise it and I think I’m about there. 
 

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 
 

I’m stepping away from the partisan nature of football. I simply don’t want my club to become any more capitalist corporation FC by demanding compensation which is likely to lead into Everton being placed in administration. 
 

The absolute hit that would have to the local community; particularly given the new stadium development and the local economy would be massive. 
 

I  try to quantify what football means to people and it’s not the lust to collect millions of pounds. It’s community etc. Kill a club off or hit them extremely hard throws us with the likes of the Super League clubs. 

They ( their fans) were happy enough watching the club hoovering up the millions made available to them by the crooks who bought into the club and  happy enough to gain an advantage over rival club regardless of the financial consequences or the anguish of their owners and supporters . I’m not sure the club and its supporters deserve your sympathy and concern 

[urban.spaceman]

16 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Well the good news is, as a fanbase, they’re taking it really, really well. 
 

 

Update from Lea. 
 

 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

I remember back to our administration. I remember back to local businesses, organisations like St John’s Ambulance going unpaid and staff at the club become jobless. 

...isn't that to an extent what has happened at our club in light of relegation!!!

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, surrifox said:

They ( their fans) were happy enough watching the club hoovering up the millions made available to them by the crooks who bought into the club and  happy enough to gain an advantage over rival club regardless of the financial consequences or the anguish of their owners and supporters . I’m not sure the club and its supporters deserve your sympathy and concern 

It’s not isolated to Everton the club or their supporters. The implications of administration go way beyond that.
 

 

Edited 20 November 2023 by CosbehFox