Enzo is everything that Brendan wasn't - summed up tonight and even in previous defeat.

[jayfox26]

5 hours ago, Golden Fox said:

Leicester City in one of our greatest ever seasons - 78 points from 34 games = 2.29 points per game.

Brendan struggling - 68 points from 28 games = 2.43 points per game.

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. You cannot compare our season with there's seeing as the teams we play against every week are a higher quality than the ones Celtic play every week. The ppg for celtic is also pointless when they aren't top of the league. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

No plan B get rid 🤣

[Finnegan]

4 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

It is genuinely a shame how disliked Rodgers ended up being and I don't put that on our fans either - he's a very peculiar character.

 

I've had small reservations at times over Maresca but they've never lasted long. He won't get the credit because of who he's managing but he's a very talented and principled coach.

 

I do think the environments he's spent a lot of his playing and coaching career around will only serve him well - one of the main reasons I trust him to see this through.

 

 

Pep gets all the credit because the media like that story and it's easy but I think Enzo would be quick to tell you how much of an influence Manuel Pellegrini has had him on him and you could do much worse for a role model than that. 

 

[honeybradger]

What I like about Enzo is that we score a decent amount of our goals from playing out from the back. Under Rodgers we would play out from the back a lot (pass it sideways between our backline a bunch) but we would rarely ever make a goal out of it, if you look back they mostly start from the opposition making a mistake rather than us opening them up with our passes.

[Pliskin]

Brendan is mainly responsible for our demise. He inherited the best squad of players we’ve ever had, and slowly let it wilt into nothing. 
 

He cared about nothing but himself, and ever since the FA cup, it was clear he expected a bigger job to become available for him, and it never did, from then he developed an extreme case of the “****ems” and just tossed it all off, he left the gas on and left the building to burn. 
 

His achievements mean nothing to me, in my personal opinion he goes down as our worst ever manager, because of his attitude, the way he conducted himself and the way he ripped the soul out of the club. I don’t dislike anyone in football as much as I dislike that man. 
 

As the OP states, Enzo is everything he isn’t, we’re a joy to watch again. 

 

 

Edited 29 February 2024 by Pliskin

[CrazyKopCorner]

17 hours ago, Angus Scott said:

Enzo has done an unbelievable job in rebuilding our broken club. We were in such a terrible state at the end of last season I honestly thought we could well get relegated this season.

That Enzo has rebuilt the club in such a short space of time is nothing short of incredible & most importantly he has reunited the players & fans.

The man is incredible

Yes I don't think you can under estimate the mess we were in and he's addressed the issues we had i.e got rid of rotten players, brought in hungry players, gave us a playing identity, brought back the connection with the real fans, identified the areas in the team that were weak and brought in players etc etc 

 

To have done it in such a short space of time is incredible. 

 

 My biggest concern In January was that he would be targeted by a Premier League club and still is - The club need to give him all of the resources to take us back to challenging for Europe and the fans need to give him the love he deserves 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Nice having a clear set plan and philosophy that clearly everyone buys into. In the dying days of Rodger’s I couldn’t tell you what the plan was in most games, other than to turn up and try and play football (mostly badly) with some players out of their depth. His hand in recruitment as well I will never forgive. He was given keys to the city, when in actual fact he should have just been given one of those keys that unlocks all the bogs in the country so people with a disability or condition don’t get caught short and shit themselves when out and about.

[fuchsntf]

On 28/02/2024 at 10:26, Finnegan said:

 

I dont think the team get anywhere near as flustered as the fans to be honest. 

 

People were panicking because we'd lost two in a row and assuming that the players felt that panic too. 

 

Think it will very much have been business as normal in the squad, sometimes you just lose games of football. It's fine. 

 

Think it always would have been back to normal against QPR whether we'd played and beaten Bournemouth last night or not. 

 

It takes a blood Welshman with an Irish name, to put over another top post

to show these English twits…( Unfortunately also so stamped) this doubting

mix of naysayers chavs,cynics,anybody from braunstone,hillbilly’s…

Thankgod we have an Italian who can shine the light up the quality and nous

of our local lads, and the Worldwide  melting pot mix of our squad.

 

But we East midland boys have got a stubborn streak and many of us from good

football fan stock,every forum have the bottom swimmers who love to grovel up any shit..

On a positive note fans and squad are moving forward & both sides are creating

unforgettable memories,from field and Terrasses

[Happy Fox]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Brendan is mainly responsible for our demise. He inherited the best squad of players we’ve ever had, and slowly let it wilt into nothing. 
 

He cared about nothing but himself, and ever since the FA cup, it was clear he expected a bigger job to become available for him, and it never did, from then he developed an extreme case of the “****ems” and just tossed it all off, he left the gas on and left the building to burn. 
 

His achievements mean nothing to me, in my personal opinion he goes down as our worst ever manager, because of his attitude, the way he conducted himself and the way he ripped the soul out of the club. I don’t dislike anyone in football as much as I dislike that man. 
 

As the OP states, Enzo is everything he isn’t, we’re a joy to watch again. 

 

 

 

The board are complicit for not sacking him sooner once he downed tools.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

takes a blood Welshman with an Irish name, to put over another top post

to show these English twits

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Brendan is mainly responsible for our demise. He inherited the best squad of players we’ve ever had, and slowly let it wilt into nothing. 
 

He cared about nothing but himself, and ever since the FA cup, it was clear he expected a bigger job to become available for him, and it never did, from then he developed an extreme case of the “****ems” and just tossed it all off, he left the gas on and left the building to burn. 
 

His achievements mean nothing to me, in my personal opinion he goes down as our worst ever manager, because of his attitude, the way he conducted himself and the way he ripped the soul out of the club. I don’t dislike anyone in football as much as I dislike that man. 
 

As the OP states, Enzo is everything he isn’t, we’re a joy to watch again. 

 

 

I agree with every word you've written my friend. 

 

Especially the bit in bold. Anyone looking back at my posts in the old Rodgers themed threads will see my utter contempt for the  '"C you Next Tuesday" 

[Pliskin]

18 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

The board are complicit for not sacking him sooner once he downed tools.

I completely agree, but you would at least expect the manager to at least try, what I can’t abide is he just gave up, but like you say the board are just as much to blame! 

[RoboFox]

It was mental how Rodgers gaslighted some of our thickest fans. 

 

Seeing some of the BRFC lot having a go at supporters who rightly wanted that POS out of our club when by that time it was so, so long overdue was the epitome of how toxic he alone had made the place. 

 

Much like @Pliskin's excellent post above. Forget Tater Peeler, Wise et al... I don't think I'll ever hold as much distain for anyone in our club's history as I do for that man. 

 

[Gwyn]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Brendan is mainly responsible for our demise. He inherited the best squad of players we’ve ever had, and slowly let it wilt into nothing. 
 

He cared about nothing but himself, and ever since the FA cup, it was clear he expected a bigger job to become available for him, and it never did, from then he developed an extreme case of the “****ems” and just tossed it all off, he left the gas on and left the building to burn. 
 

His achievements mean nothing to me, in my personal opinion he goes down as our worst ever manager, because of his attitude, the way he conducted himself and the way he ripped the soul out of the club. I don’t dislike anyone in football as much as I dislike that man. 
 

As the OP states, Enzo is everything he isn’t, we’re a joy to watch again. 

 

 

Although I agree,

I'll raise you Mark McGee

[Golden Fox]

6 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. You cannot compare our season with there's seeing as the teams we play against every week are a higher quality than the ones Celtic play every week. The ppg for celtic is also pointless when they aren't top of the league. 

I was actually making 2 points. The first was obviously that on a one-sided thread comparing Brendan & Enzo it was worth pointing out that Brendan actually has more PPG this year than Enzo.

The second was a much deeper point, but seeing as you asked...

 

I come on FoxesTalk to find out what is happening at our club (news, transfers, injuries etc) and for informed insight and have a bit of banter with other posters. I click on threads like this and see a very well constructed post about the difference in culture which is spot on and well worth a read.

 

I then see posts like yours calling Brendan a fraud saying he is vile, saying it is nearly impossible not to win the league in Scotland, and gloating at the fact he is struggling. I want to read informed opinions and it annoys me when I am just reading someone's rant. You have added nothing to the conversation, just used the thread as an excuse to pile on and call someone names. I do wonder about the motivation for this - does it make you feel better about yourself having a go at someone?? - or do you want to post something others agree with for self esteem??

 

So my point was to have a bit of fun and point out that your black and white view of the world was a bit more nuanced - and maybe to get people to think about what they post rather than just posting hate.

 

But it obviously fell on deaf ears, so I'll just wait for all the abuse I'll now get for posting this... 

[BrummieFOX]

33 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

It was mental how Rodgers gaslighted some of our thickest fans. 

 

Seeing some of the BRFC lot having a go at supporters who rightly wanted that POS out of our club when by that time it was so, so long overdue was the epitome of how toxic he alone had made the place. 

 

Much like @Pliskin's excellent post above. Forget Tater Peeler, Wise et al... I don't think I'll ever hold as much distain for anyone in our club's history as I do for that man. 

 

A woman was spat on at Brentford away for holding a "Rodgers Out" banner.

 

Still can't get my head round that.

[fuchsntf]

28 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I completely agree, but you would at least expect the manager to at least try, what I can’t abide is he just gave up, but like you say the board are just as much to blame! 

Rodgers went through that FA. Cup triumph, seemed to be stearing the club, and squad in the right direction. 

Hit by a massive chronic injury list, and it was with  our major star and position players.. He still held it together for awhile, then learning KP would suffer

Financial , plus FFP problems, Rodgers has the  club representative lost the plot, and in fan  hindsight rushed along

Like quicksand.. His system not so unlike ENZO'S. Over 2 seasons those

players just couldnt get those transition stages meshing then both manager and players lost confidence in each other, Rodgers has manager though a swine of a situation should of held it together.. I reckon a lot of managers

would of caved in, but he was in the hot seat still with a quality squad, despite rumblings & various agendas

from the fan base, some quite vicious and cynical, others with more balanced

platforms and strong base... He should of got the players on his side, and used all his playing resources at the right times after the start of his last season, he lost the fight & belief.. & went mardy

Probably like other managers would, but it was him in the position.. 

 

The club because of Covid, FFP & chronic injuries to top resources, fans not willing to understand the douer situation,crying out for more, more, more, which the club didn't deliver, just not grasping the clubs

Twighlight-zone  situation of reassesing, decision making for needs of the natural reinvestment in playing staff,the were worse than now. 

KP... Company & family had hit a financial wall, that was vibrating through all world wide businesses, not just Sport..

Top & KP were incorrectly and unfairly criticised, the were faced with FFP regulations and Covid backlash, that could of sent this club into spiral

"Administration" collapse.. 

WHY Rodgers was allowed so long, 

"couldn't live with him, couldn't live without him" financial situation, including hope he could still on the field  turn it. While off-field Top, KP

simply lost that deep pocket and financial clout, just like the family business...

 

THEY could of walked, they didn't, and sat down to first muster a plan, to regain a worthy lost position. 

They agreed a new approach and a reliable change of system, they found

Enzo & took an educated guess and chance... Like us, pleasantly suprised with a suppressed hope, that has worked maybe 1-2 seasons earlier. 

 

Not forgetting Club will still have to work with off-field restraints and regulations... 

 

If Rodgers had succeeded, would our future have succeeded.. (????) 

 

[filbertway]

46 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

I was actually making 2 points. The first was obviously that on a one-sided thread comparing Brendan & Enzo it was worth pointing out that Brendan actually has more PPG this year than Enzo.

The second was a much deeper point, but seeing as you asked...

 

I come on FoxesTalk to find out what is happening at our club (news, transfers, injuries etc) and for informed insight and have a bit of banter with other posters. I click on threads like this and see a very well constructed post about the difference in culture which is spot on and well worth a read.

 

I then see posts like yours calling Brendan a fraud saying he is vile, saying it is nearly impossible not to win the league in Scotland, and gloating at the fact he is struggling. I want to read informed opinions and it annoys me when I am just reading someone's rant. You have added nothing to the conversation, just used the thread as an excuse to pile on and call someone names. I do wonder about the motivation for this - does it make you feel better about yourself having a go at someone?? - or do you want to post something others agree with for self esteem??

 

So my point was to have a bit of fun and point out that your black and white view of the world was a bit more nuanced - and maybe to get people to think about what they post rather than just posting hate.

 

But it obviously fell on deaf ears, so I'll just wait for all the abuse I'll now get for posting this... 

He's not just a stain on our club, but the wider footballing community and probably even humanity. 

 

You should read the list of lies he's been caught telling, it's quite fun.

 

He went back to Scotland as it was an easy way to try and fix his shattered image, he's screwing it up and I couldn't be happier. If Rangers and Leicester win the league on the same weekend I'll be off work for a week with the mother of all hangovers. 

 

You came into this thread expecting informed opinion? I'd stick to anything started by @StriderHiryu if you're looking for that

 

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, Gwyn said:

Although I agree,

I'll raise you Mark McGee

McGee was just before my time, but I do understand his role at the club. 
 

The thing with Rodgers was how much we lost, we went from being a stable PL team, to a shambles. Collectively there were huge errors, but like I’ve said, you at least expect your manager to have a bit of self respect and try… with a bit of effort, he could have kept us up. 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

It was mental how Rodgers gaslighted some of our thickest fans. 

 

Seeing some of the BRFC lot having a go at supporters who rightly wanted that POS out of our club when by that time it was so, so long overdue was the epitome of how toxic he alone had made the place. 

 

Much like @Pliskin's excellent post above. Forget Tater Peeler, Wise et al... I don't think I'll ever hold as much distain for anyone in our club's history as I do for that man. 

 

I can see the point given recency bias, but Rodgers didn't put our club on life support with massive input needed to save it from death. Taylor and Wise did.

 

Perhaps that's a too quantitative way of looking at it, though.

[RoboFox]

16 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I can see the point given recency bias, but Rodgers didn't put our club on life support with massive input needed to save it from death. Taylor and Wise did.

 

Perhaps that's a too quantitative way of looking at it, though.

Taylor was just a useless moron who was allowed to spend far too much on shit players at a time where a perfect storm of the ITV Digital collapse, the construction of the crisp bowl, and dire financial mismanagement had already put the club in a precarious position. 

 

Rodgers is a vindictive egotist who was happy to see the collapse of the club's greatest ever period just because he wanted to be proved right.

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Brendan is mainly responsible for our demise. He inherited the best squad of players we’ve ever had, and slowly let it wilt into nothing. 
 

He cared about nothing but himself, and ever since the FA cup, it was clear he expected a bigger job to become available for him, and it never did, from then he developed an extreme case of the “****ems” and just tossed it all off, he left the gas on and left the building to burn. 
 

His achievements mean nothing to me, in my personal opinion he goes down as our worst ever manager, because of his attitude, the way he conducted himself and the way he ripped the soul out of the club. I don’t dislike anyone in football as much as I dislike that man. 
 

As the OP states, Enzo is everything he isn’t, we’re a joy to watch again. 

 

 

Spooky 👻! I could have written that all myself! I wholeheartedly agree. I just thought I was a vindictive old cuss. Nice to know there's at least two of us 🤣. I'm also enjoying Enzo's reign. Some people get frustrated but I can see reason and purpose even when it doesn't quite come off. He's only been here just over half a season too.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Taylor was just a useless moron who was allowed to spend far too much on shit players at a time where a perfect storm of the ITV Digital collapse, the construction of the crisp bowl, and dire financial mismanagement had already put the club in a precarious position. 

 

Rodgers is a vindictive egotist who was happy to see the collapse of the club's greatest ever period just because he wanted to be proved right.

No disagreement there regarding intent and situation. I was just looking at it in terms of overall damage caused while each was in charge.

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I can see the point given recency bias, but Rodgers didn't put our club on life support with massive input needed to save it from death. Taylor and Wise did.

 

Perhaps that's a too quantitative way of looking at it, though.

I think were Taylor was concerned he was just plain incompetent and well out of his depth. He was a gamble that spectacularly backfired. 
 

That squad was a squad of battlers, and I remember Matt Elliott saying he came in and his expectations were to become a more technical footballing team. We neither had the resources or the players to achieve this. 
 

I don’t think there was ever a moment where Taylor compromised the integrity of the club to save his face, he was just useless, and I think everyone knew following that pre season what was on the horizon. 

 

Brendan on the other hand, clearly used us as a stepping stone back into the PL, which is fine, but you can’t then down tools in such a spectacular way like Rodgers did. 
 

He must have decided one day “fúck this” and just went about his business with his chapped lips and horribly pointy shoes (that were clearly a 10 then they should have been a 6).

 

Everything about him, was about him, and all he did was just try and preserve his reputation whilst everything around him crumbled. He’s clearly a capable manager due to his success, but his ego fair outweighs his ability. 
 

Id argue he has left the club on a life support machine, he was part and parcel of hideous signings with colossal wages, I understand he didn’t put the contracts under their noses, but we know he had a bigger part to play in transfers during his latter years with us. Luckily for us, Enzo is the doctor who’s overseeing the life support machine, and because he seemingly gives a toss he’s manage to salvage what was a desperate situation. I’d argue that our situation pre season was so precarious, the wrong appointment could have seen us do a Sunderland, and just plummet into a black hole. 
 

I think the crooks of my argument are, Rodgers purposely allowed the team to fall off a cliff because he’s got the hump, and if rumours are true, he essentially quit after the palace game when he realised the damage had gone too far and we were ****ed. 
 

I honestly hate the man.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

I think were Taylor was concerned he was just plain incompetent and well out of his depth. He was a gamble that spectacularly backfired. 
 

That squad was a squad of battlers, and I remember Matt Elliott saying he came in and his expectations were to become a more technical footballing team. We neither had the resources or the players to achieve this. 
 

I don’t think there was ever a moment where Taylor compromised the integrity of the club to save his face, he was just useless, and I think everyone knew following that pre season what was on the horizon. 

 

Brendan on the other hand, clearly used us as a stepping stone back into the PL, which is fine, but you can’t then down tools in such a spectacular way like Rodgers did. 
 

He must have decided one day “fúck this” and just went about his business with his chapped lips and horribly pointy shoes (that were clearly a 10 then they should have been a 6).

 

Everything about him, was about him, and all he did was just try and preserve his reputation whilst everything around him crumbled. He’s clearly a capable manager due to his success, but his ego fair outweighs his ability. 
 

Id argue he has left the club on a life support machine, he was part and parcel of hideous signings with colossal wages, I understand he didn’t put the contracts under their noses, but we know he had a bigger part to play in transfers during his latter years with us. Luckily for us, Enzo is the doctor who’s overseeing the life support machine, and because he seemingly gives a toss he’s manage to salvage what was a desperate situation. I’d argue that our situation pre season was so precarious, the wrong appointment could have seen us do a Sunderland, and just plummet into a black hole. 
 

I think the crooks of my argument are, Rodgers purposely allowed the team to fall off a cliff because he’s got the hump, and if rumours are true, he essentially quit after the palace game when he realised the damage had gone too far and we were ****ed. 
 

I honestly hate the man.

That's a fair assessment too.

 

However again, I'm looking at it in terms of quantifiable damage caused. I've no reason to disagree with the idea that if the appointment of someone not as good as Maresca had happened that we'd be in a similar very parlous situation to those Taylor days, though, and Rodgers would have been wholly responsible for that - but we've been lucky and/or skilled there.