Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Blackstarr said:

 

The EFL wouldn’t be charging us without very good reason to do so. Don’t forget we’ve not seen the accounts yet - doesn’t mean the PL and EFL haven’t. The EFL aren’t stupid enough to levy an embargo without a reason. Now technically Leicester may be right - while they don’t appear to be contesting the breach, they are contesting the timing. 
 

in the end it doesn’t really matter - A huge fallout is coming for a club that has financially mismanaged itself on an epic scale. Leicester can legally delay the inevitable - but they won’t stop it. They know they are in a huge mess 

Every action occurring in the last 48 hours is underpinned that we failed FFP for this three year window, that's as good as fact. The club have never denied this or admitted to this. 

 

We are just delaying punishment with all this nonsense. Legal advisors must be chuffed. 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Blackstarr said:

 

The EFL wouldn’t be charging us without very good reason to do so. Don’t forget we’ve not seen the accounts yet - doesn’t mean the PL and EFL haven’t. The EFL aren’t stupid enough to levy an embargo without a reason. Now technically Leicester may be right - while they don’t appear to be contesting the breach, they are contesting the timing. 
 

in the end it doesn’t really matter - A huge fallout is coming for a club that has financially mismanaged itself on an epic scale. Leicester can legally delay the inevitable - but they won’t stop it. They know they are in a huge mess 

Exactly this. The club mounting a legal challenge to the Premiership charges implies it knows they can can’t even haggle over mitigating circumstances. We are in trouble 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

The EFL wouldn’t be charging us without very good reason to do so.

I think they would

 

They seem just as corrupt as PL. 

[Blackstarr]

4 minutes ago, The_77 said:

Fully agree here, even if we have done wrong. Either one of the leagues will likely get us in the end but we’re absolutely right to push back, especially at the EFL, who we’ve already beaten once. Now it looks like they are trying stunts to force us into PSR failure after they’ve already been told that a relevant rule does not apply to us. 

Both the EFL and the PL are rightly fuming that Leicester have retained many of the PL players for a promotion push and are now trying to avoid any sanctions this season by claiming they fall between the cracks. 
 

Technically Leicester may be right - but unlike Forest, who have cooperated with everything, all that the club is doing here is storing up an absolute kicking from both bodies next season when we won’t have anywhere to hide from a legal perspective 

 

 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

21 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

This again suggests proper procedure not followed 

Exactly. 
 

The more I read between the lines of both our statements I believe we will be able to reduce these punishments significantly.

[TheFiveTime]

here is the other thing. if we arent subject to these fast track rules which were voted in after we got relegated in 2023, how on earth are we subject to the december accounting deadline which was voted through after we got relegated in 2023.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

I think they would

 

They seem just as corrupt as PL. 

It’s all a cartel controlled by the so called rich 6. 

[Beechey]

11 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

 

The EFL wouldn’t be charging us without very good reason to do so. Don’t forget we’ve not seen the accounts yet - doesn’t mean the PL and EFL haven’t. The EFL aren’t stupid enough to levy an embargo without a reason. Now technically Leicester may be right - while they don’t appear to be contesting the breach, they are contesting the timing. 
 

in the end it doesn’t really matter - A huge fallout is coming for a club that has financially mismanaged itself on an epic scale. Leicester can legally delay the inevitable - but they won’t stop it. They know they are in a huge mess 

We haven’t been charged by the EFL. They wanted us to send in a business plan on how we would slash costs enough to not breach PSR, but we argued as we were a PL club at the time of the last accounts, we didn’t need to. We won the case.

 

They’ve still not charged us and now they’re trying to punish us again because they suspect we might be in breach of PSR come the end of this current season. The accounting period for the 2023-24 season ends on the 30th June.

 

The club will try to navigate through the crack of being promoted from the domain of the EFL, thus escaping any punishment from them, but we will be punished by the PL regardless if found guilty.

Edited 22 March 2024 by Beechey

[when_you're_smiling]

9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

 

it’s standard procedure for efl to put clubs in special measures if they expect the club to break psr by a substantial amount and potentially they consider the club should not spend any money to protect its future. It’s posturing but it’s justifiable imo.  Ordinarily the club and the efl would be talking about the situation, giving their budgets and intentions. But it’s clear we aren’t on speaking terms !
 

 

No

Not saying you’re not right, but do you know of other examples where embargoes have been placed before they’ve proven the charges?

[OntarioFox]

16 minutes ago, Stopharage said:

Upside: Might make getting a season ticket easier when more of the plastics leave. 

Thought that would be the case after the relegation but the happy-clapping mute sods are still here in their droves.

 

Which is what I'm least looking forward to with all this - the sizeable portion of our fanbase who will respond with 'ooooh it's a bit of a shame isn't it' before going back to sitting on their hands through what is going to fast become an existential crisis for our club.

 

I sense things are going to start getting ugly on matchdays.

 

Edited 22 March 2024 by OntarioFox

[The_77]

3 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

Both the EFL and the PL are rightly fuming that Leicester have retained many of the PL players for a promotion push and are now trying to avoid any sanctions this season by claiming they fall between the cracks. 
 

Technically Leicester may be right - but unlike Forest, who have cooperated with everything, all that the club is doing here is storing up an absolute kicking from both bodies next season when we won’t have anywhere to hide from a legal perspective 

 

 

That’s probably the best prediction of what will happen in the future, to be fair. We are taking a huge gamble here. 

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

 

The EFL wouldn’t be charging us without very good reason to do so. Don’t forget we’ve not seen the accounts yet - doesn’t mean the PL and EFL haven’t. The EFL aren’t stupid enough to levy an embargo without a reason. Now technically Leicester may be right - while they don’t appear to be contesting the breach, they are contesting the timing. 
 

in the end it doesn’t really matter - A huge fallout is coming for a club that has financially mismanaged itself on an epic scale. Leicester can legally delay the inevitable - but they won’t stop it. They know they are in a huge mess 

Procedures are important in due process. Break that and it could result in case being chucked out

[Corky]

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Every action occurring in the last 48 hours is underpinned that we failed FFP for this three year window, that's as good as fact. The club have never denied this or admitted to this. 

 

We are just delaying punishment with all this nonsense. Legal advisors must be chuffed. 

Yeah, a lot of this is noise and posturing. They may have valid points but the facts are we are in this mess through our own actions.

 

If it goes wrong we are going to be severely hit. Grim.

[hackneyfox]

18 minutes ago, Stopharage said:

Upside: Might make getting a season ticket easier when more of the plastics leave. 

Which plastics are you talking about?

I know people who got season tickets last season, became members 3 years back, enthered the drwas, got tickets and points and the rights to purchase a ST.

Put a bit of graft in and it's not that difficult.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Blackstarr said:

Both the EFL and the PL are rightly fuming that Leicester have retained many of the PL players for a promotion push and are now trying to avoid any sanctions this season by claiming they fall between the cracks. 
 

Technically Leicester may be right - but unlike Forest, who have cooperated with everything, all that the club is doing here is storing up an absolute kicking from both bodies next season when we won’t have anywhere to hide from a legal perspective 

 

 

How many PL players did we actually keep? Is it a significantly higher nember than the teams that have been relegated over the last few years?

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, RYM said:

The effect this will all have on the players is going to be immense. Our dream of signing Abdul is now over.
 

The players know they won’t be here next season now, it’s like last season over again but somehow worse.

 

Say we go up. We can’t sign anyone, have to sell everyone and have a points deduction. 

 

This public legal mud chucking is going to get wild!!

 

 

 

To be fair, if we go up and have to play the under 18s we might as well take the lowest points total seriously and aim for negative points.  

 

You'll never sing that.

[MPH]

I’m not sure if this has been covered, but we have apparently started legal proceedings against the prem and EFL!

 

[Bert]

Seems like the efl would be happy to see us back in the gutter. 

[MPH]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68635985#:~:text=Leicester City have started legal,rules (PSR) on Thursday.

[lcfc_forever]

Would be funny if little old Leicester not only won the PL in the greatest upset ever but also was the catalyst to change football off the field as well. 

[Foxdiamond]

I still think everything needs to be legal and above board or the club lawyer will rightly be all over it hopefully

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Exactly this. The club mounting a legal challenge to the Premiership charges implies it knows they can can’t even haggle over mitigating circumstances. We are in trouble 

I don’t think it suggests anything of the sort, that’s a totally different argument we’ll make when the time comes.

 

What it seems we are arguing is that due to a bit of a mess up in the rules, we weren’t a championship team on x date. And because of that, they have no right to judge us until the next period.

 

They are similarly arguing that, the premier league changed their rules and want to hold us to account for said new rules, despite us not being a premier league team when they were agreed. 
 

If the club is correct, it’s some really poor planning and rule writing.

 

Us offering mitigating circumstances will come when we are actually charged with something and when we have a case to answer. Which is a bit further down the line.

 

I think the end goal is to punt the points to next season and then we argue about how many then. 

 

Edited 22 March 2024 by Babylon

[Bert]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I don’t think it suggests anything of the sort, that’s a totally different argument we’ll make when the time comes.

 

What it seems we are arguing is that due to a bit of a mess up in the rules, we weren’t a championship team on x date. And because of that, they have no right to judge us until the next period.

 

They are similarly arguing that, the premier league changed their rules and want to hold us to account for said new rules, despite us not being a premier league team when they were agreed. 
 

If the club is correct, it’s some really poor planning and rule writing.

 

Us offering mitigating circumstances will come when we are actually charged with something and when we have a case to answer. Which is a bit further down the line.

 

I think the end goal is to punt the points to next season and then we argue about how many then. 

 

Plus what Col has said doesn’t even really make any kind of sense    
 

Totally agree with the last sentence. 

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

Plus what Col has said doesn’t even really make any kind of sense    
 

Totally agree with the last sentence. 

Listen to Talk Sport this am. Simon Jordan explains it better than I ever could. 
Unless I misheard, the club knows there is no wriggle room. Ie no mitigation to be able to discuss the charges and to receive a lenient ‘sentence’. According to Jordan, this is why we are mounting a full-on legal challenge against the charges which would most probably mean, if we lose, a very significant sanction.

Simply, I understood it like a convict pleading not guilty when they know they are.  If they lose the case, the judge will hit them hard.
Listen for yourself though Bert. See what you think 

Edited 22 March 2024 by Col city fan

[StanSP]

If we're successful in challenging these corrupt organisations, are we given points as a head-start ? 

[egg_fried_rice]

Just now, StanSP said:

If we're successful in challenging these corrupt organisations, are we given points as a head-start ? 

EFL and PL love extending punishments for frivolous appeals, so you’d hope the reverse would be true too!

 

What a farce  football is eating itself.