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Gone but not forgotten and certainly not the death list

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Grebfromgrebland

Grebfromgrebland

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4 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:


And?

 

 

And she was pretty horrible as a person? She saw a prisoner giving birth and wanted to know why she wasn't handcuffed to the bed? We can probably make a long list. What more do you want?

 

 

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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6 minutes ago, EastAnglianFox said:

The ever loving left showing themselves yet again tonight.

 

A 78 year old woman murdered in her own home.

 

You really do yourselves no favours at all 

Eh?

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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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5 minutes ago, Tuna said:

 

 

Whilst I generally agree with the end statement, there are plenty of examples of people who should be reviled after their death.

 

This clearly isn't one of those instances, I'm talking of people like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Dennis Wise.

 

 

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Spelt Adolf as Adolph, which makes him sound almost cuddly.
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bovril

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15 minutes ago, EastAnglianFox said:

The ever loving left showing themselves yet again tonight.

 

A 78 year old woman murdered in her own home.

 

You really do yourselves no favours at all 

I'm sorry but no woke snowflake is going to cancel me for having an opinion about someone who's died. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? 

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Sampson

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Yeah. It's the Charlie Kirk thing over again  - the ever freedom-defending right are showing themselves to be the real snowflakes - I'm not going to say anything personally about Widdecombe, but people in a free country like ours should be allowed to ay un-nice things about politicians who they feel have caused suffering to people whether they just died or not. You can't call people snowflakes one moment and then go on defensive rants when someone says un-nice things about a right wing politician, you really do yourselves no favours at all.

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Foxdiamond

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1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

And she was pretty horrible as a person? She saw a prisoner giving birth and wanted to know why she wasn't handcuffed to the bed? We can probably make a long list. What more do you want?

 

 

Apparently that is a lie. Women prisoners were not handcuffed while in childbirth 

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Jimothy

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I've not a fan of speaking ill of the dead, but also the people crying about someone giving a honest opinion on the type of person Anne Widdicombe was after her death seem to miss the point that she spent her life saying hurtful things about people, pursuing policies that would affect the most vulnerable in our society whilst they were alive. Calling Anne Widdecombe vile etc now doesn't hurt anyone, especially not Anne, she's dead. Her life's work made people's lives worse, maybe turn some of your energy in that direction.

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Wsl

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10 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

And she was pretty horrible as a person? She saw a prisoner giving birth and wanted to know why she wasn't handcuffed to the bed? We can probably make a long list. What more do you want?

 

 

Accuracy. Not asserting as true utter BS because you've swallowed it and can't be bothered to find out whether it is true or not? I'd have thought that a moment's thinking would have raised questions as to the likelihood of any government minister being invited to sit in on a birth....

 

To be clear, I can't think of a single thing I agreed with Anne Widdicombe on. I didn't agree with, or like as a matter of personal opinion, any of her political beliefs and many of her personal ones. 

 

It was Government policy that all prisoners, including pregnant women, be handcuffed while being transported from place to place. It was never Government policy that a pregnant woman be handcuffed while giving birth, in fact the policy explicitly said that once labour is confirmed all restraints must be removed. In Parliamentary debate and in her capacity as the junior Minister at the Home Office responsible for that policy, she confirmed that position, so the policy, along with herself personally was still criticised - fair enough. But she never made such a demand while witnessing a birth and never in fact called for the policy to be extended to that. 

 

2 minutes Googling would have got you there. Which you might want to bear in mind when you're making your long list.

 

Chris Mason's piece on the BBC news website is a pretty balanced assessment of her. 

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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12 hours ago, Sampson said:

Yeah. It's the Charlie Kirk thing over again  - the ever freedom-defending right are showing themselves to be the real snowflakes - I'm not going to say anything personally about Widdecombe, but people in a free country like ours should be allowed to ay un-nice things about politicians who they feel have caused suffering to people whether they just died or not. You can't call people snowflakes one moment and then go on defensive rants when someone says un-nice things about a right wing politician, you really do yourselves no favours at all.

It’s amazing how easily the “free speech” people get so upset when people use their free speech freely. ¯\(°_O)/¯ 

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MPH

MPH

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16 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

And she was pretty horrible as a person? She saw a prisoner giving birth and wanted to know why she wasn't handcuffed to the bed? We can probably make a long list. What more do you want?

 

 

 Well what we want is people not to make up lies with which to attack her with and then use them to attack her again after her death

 

No, Ann Widdecombe did not see a female prisoner give birth and complain that the woman was not handcuffed. 

During her tenure as the UK's Prisons Minister in 1996, Widdecombe actually faced public and media backlash for defending a government policy that required pregnant inmates to be handcuffed and chained while receiving prenatal hospital care. However, she did not advocate for handcuffs during labor itself.

 

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Tuna

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Sad to hear about Dermot Murnaghan, I thoroughly enjoyed his crime documentaries on Sky. I recall, all those years ago he broke the news of Diana's fatal car crash on ITV. RIP..

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splinterdream

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18 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

And she was pretty horrible as a person? She saw a prisoner giving birth and wanted to know why she wasn't handcuffed to the bed? We can probably make a long list. What more do you want?

 

 

As you are bad mouthing somebody that has recently been killed, I have to ask, do you have any evidence for that?

 

A quick google and you can see she defended the governments policy to have prisoners restrained at the hospital, but those shackles removed once in full labour. She was prisons minister and had a responsibility to the general public, there had been numerous cases escapes before this policy. 

 

 

spacemunky

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South Africa and Mamelodi Sundowns midfielder Jayden Adams has died at the age of 25, just weeks after featuring for his country at the World Cup.

 

Adams featured in all three of South Africa's group games at the tournament, where they reached the knockout stages before losing to co-hosts Canada in the round of 32.

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