Cooper - OUT

[broadstone fox]

Lose to Bournemouth and i give up

[tickler28]

Just now, broadstone fox said:

Lose to Bournemouth and i give up

That will definitely be the first nail in his coffin ⚰️ 

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, tickler28 said:

3 maybe 4 matches to turn it round otherwise he's gone

He’s had 3 or 4 games to turn it around and hasn’t. Bloke needs to go now.

[snoopy87]

I've just checked our upcoming games, he can not be given the run we've got coming up. This is essentially make and break already and he's showed no ability to get us through it with a healthy enough return.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Just now, snoopy87 said:

I've just checked our upcoming games, he can not be given the run we've got coming up. This is essentially make and break already and he's showed no ability to get us through it with a healthy enough return.

Exactly. We cannot waste a good run of games where can pick up points on Steve Blooper 

[coolhandfox]

It would be interesting to see who pulls the trigger first: us, Southampton, Wolves, Palace, or Man U. 

 

When the first one goes, you see others follow.

 

The palace manager seems very odd; reminds me of Rodgers in 22/23. 

Edited 30 September 2024 by coolhandfox

[Nolucklcfc]

11 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It would be interesting to see who pulls the trigger first: us, Southampton, Wolves, Palace, or Man U. 

 

When the first one goes, you see others follow.

 

The palace manager seems very odd; reminds me of Rodgers in 22/23. 

I think it’ll be us actually. Wolves aren’t in panic mode yet regarding O’Neil. Southampton could even keep Martin if they go down, palace will give it much longer and united just have him a massive contract. I’m friends with all these owners you see 

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Very. Saving face in Thailand will relegate us. Again. 

This is a daft projection based upon a cultural stereotype. The Thais have sacked six managers since they took over. In only one of those instances (Rodgers) could you argue that they delayed the decision for so long that it damaged us. And that delay had nothing whatsoever to do with 'saving face' - it was because of the £20m compensation we'd have to pay Rodgers, which the club knew would put us significantly on the wrong side of a PSR breach (his credit in the bank following the FA Cup win may have further muddled their thinking).

 

The sackings of Eriksson, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel show that our owners will act decisively when they need to. The damaging delay in the sacking of Rodgers for largely financial reasons does not disprove this. Cooper will be given the next run of games to prove himself, but they will act swiftly after that if it still looks like we're in relegation trouble.

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is a daft projection based upon a cultural stereotype. The Thais have sacked six managers since they took over. In only one of those instances (Rodgers) could you argue that they delayed the decision for so long that it damaged us. And that delay had nothing whatsoever to do with 'saving face' - it was because of the £20m compensation we'd have to pay Rodgers, which the club knew would put us significantly on the wrong side of a PSR breach (his credit in the bank following the FA Cup win may have further muddled their thinking).

 

The sackings of Eriksson, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel show that our owners will act decisively when they need to. The damaging delay in the sacking of Rodgers for largely financial reasons does not disprove this. Cooper will be given the next run of games to prove himself, but they will act swiftly after that if it still looks like we're in relegation trouble.

 

 

No, it's using past examples of taking no responsibility and no accountability for mistakes by the current owner and board, and using that to shape my opinion of what will happen in the future in the absence of any evidence on the contrary. 

[FrankieADZ]

lose on saturday and then the Southampton game he should walk himself, but he wouldnt,

think either way we are doomed if he stays, as said in the thread we look better on the front foot rather than trying to hold back the tide so to speak,

like the bournemouth game on Saturday, we know hes going to pick the likes of JJ and Ayew; when im sure most of us would prefer Ricardo and Fatawu in the team

 

when JJ would probably needs a game or 2 out the firing line, and Ayew well, doesnt seem to offer much other than winning free kicks, 

although the appointment of Cooper still shows the club hasnt learnt a thing at all from the Rodgers stuff, they are still firmly rooted in their stubborn ways, but tbf thats the club as a whole, still massively disconnected from the fans and reality as a whole

[daddylonglegs]

44 minutes ago, snoopy87 said:

I've just checked our upcoming games, he can not be given the run we've got coming up. This is essentially make and break already and he's showed no ability to get us through it with a healthy enough return.

Rudkin looking at these crucial fixtures like

 

[foxfanazer]

57 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

That will definitely be the first nail in his coffin ⚰️ 

Only the first!? 

[FLAN]

13 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is a daft projection based upon a cultural stereotype. The Thais have sacked six managers since they took over. In only one of those instances (Rodgers) could you argue that they delayed the decision for so long that it damaged us. And that delay had nothing whatsoever to do with 'saving face' - it was because of the £20m compensation we'd have to pay Rodgers, which the club knew would put us significantly on the wrong side of a PSR breach (his credit in the bank following the FA Cup win may have further muddled their thinking).

 

The sackings of Eriksson, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel show that our owners will act decisively when they need to. The damaging delay in the sacking of Rodgers for largely financial reasons does not disprove this. Cooper will be given the next run of games to prove himself, but they will act swiftly after that if it still looks like we're in relegation trouble.

 

 

Only one of the correctly timed ones was under the current chairman who seems less ruthless. I do wonder if he hasn’t sacked Rudkin or others responsible for the PSR issues because they were appointed by Vichai. Would it be frowned upon to do so?

[dr.o.ball]

1 hour ago, tickler28 said:

3 maybe 4 matches to turn it round otherwise he's gone

Mate Cooper's be brought in especially to bring us back up in 2026/27 season after we've been relegated....Better get used to him there's another 3 years to go yet.

[Number 6]

So I'd had a quick dig into the xG data after the first 4 games and it looked terrible - adding in an update here.

 

So the stats look generally pretty awful. We now sit comfortably bottom of the table for xPoints [understat]. Individually the players have managed to convert well from the shots we have taken (highest np:G-xG in the division [fbRef]) and save well from shots against us (Mads has the highest PSxG-GA [fbref]), but we're consistently outperformed on xG in each game. It's a small sample but there is remarkable consistency across all of our games, suggesting a pattern.

 

I'd suggest the Arsenal game has skewed this somewhat, and actually the game state there will have meant they've racked up more xG than they otherwise would have, particularly with PSG tomorrow - but we were comfortably being outplayed before the equaliser so at best I'd say we're conceding as many good chances as Ipswich are.

 

The game state stats are interesting. When games are level we are absolutely awful (xGD of -7.53, probably skewed by Arsenal but Ipswich are -3.4, Southampton are -2.28), and we're negative on xGD for all game states apart from the 12 minutes we've been 2-0 down against Villa and Arsenal. There is a bit of noise in this still but it does validate the theory that we're a better side when we have a go. It feels like the shackles are being kept on a little.

 

I've advocated for more time for Cooper but with the stats looking the way we do and a shocking performance in the cup I'd probably reduce the timeframe I'm willing to allow him. I think Bournemouth is a good fixture and one he has to win and probably perform well in to keep his job.

 

Understat PL

FB Ref PL

 

Might do a bit of a dig into some of our relegation rivals too as we're starting to see a bit more of a reliable picture now. 

[Lutterworth Fox]

30 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is a daft projection based upon a cultural stereotype. The Thais have sacked six managers since they took over. In only one of those instances (Rodgers) could you argue that they delayed the decision for so long that it damaged us. And that delay had nothing whatsoever to do with 'saving face' - it was because of the £20m compensation we'd have to pay Rodgers, which the club knew would put us significantly on the wrong side of a PSR breach (his credit in the bank following the FA Cup win may have further muddled their thinking).

 

The sackings of Eriksson, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel show that our owners will act decisively when they need to. The damaging delay in the sacking of Rodgers for largely financial reasons does not disprove this. Cooper will be given the next run of games to prove himself, but they will act swiftly after that if it still looks like we're in relegation trouble.

 

 

Sorry, too late 

[Nick]

Get him gone, please Top.

[lfu]

if he doesn't get 4 points from Bournemouth and Saints then it's irredeemable (if it wasn't already!)

[Lutterworth Fox]

6 minutes ago, dr.o.ball said:

Mate Cooper's be brought in especially to bring us back up in 2026/27 season after we've been relegated....Better get used to him there's another 3 years to go yet.

I take it you mean back up to the Championship after we've been relegated again the season after next?

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

36 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

The sackings of Eriksson, Pearson, Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel show that our owners will act decisively when they need to. The damaging delay in the sacking of Rodgers for largely financial reasons does not disprove this. Cooper will be given the next run of games to prove himself, but they will act swiftly after that if it still looks like we're in relegation trouble.

 

 

The need to sack Puel was clear, but he was appointed by Vichai and possibly Top didn’t identify with Puel very strongly. In contrast, Top appointed Rodger’s and he won the cup for Top and I think that led Top to keep him for way longer than he should have (cup was father’s dream etc). I would like to think Top doesn’t have that sense of loyalty to Cooper and he can make more of a pragmatic decision based on the fact that the Blooper has been shown to be total dog muck.

Edited 30 September 2024 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[Happy Fox]

4 minutes ago, lfu said:

if he doesn't get 4 points from Bournemouth and Saints then it's irredeemable (if it wasn't already!)

 

I imagine we would make a change post Bournemouth game he has to win that to keep his job safe for the foreseeable future.

[FoxinNotts]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Exactly. We cannot waste a good run of games where can pick up points on Steve Blooper 

It’s not going to happen. He will be here at least for the next four

[Mike Oxlong]

12 minutes ago, lfu said:

if he doesn't get 4 points from Bournemouth and Saints then it's irredeemable (if it wasn't already!)

If he doesn't get 4 points from the Bournemouth game he should go 

[AjcW]

34 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Rudkin looking at these crucial fixtures like

 

Joking aside, it was fine in the summer when we had no coaches... but the last two manager cycles has meant we have no 'core' LCFC coaches anymore, so any managerial replacement would need to be almost instant, or during the first week of an international break. 

Genuinely scratching my head as to who would 'take charge' other than Baradell who has only just been given the U21 gig!

 

Possibly Andy Hughes as although he knows Cooper he was a late addition?

[DezFox]

1 hour ago, tickler28 said:

3 maybe 4 matches to turn it round otherwise he's gone

That’s the problem IMO. 3 or 4 more matches wasted.