Cooper - OUT

[CloudFox]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Because it's not what he wants, all his guff about posession and atractive football, or being inspired by x, y, z spanish coach is, from what I can tell so far, a tall tale. 

 

I wrote a long post this morning about my biggest gripe with his is the fact he's sold himself as something he's quite clearly not (which for some reason vanished or didn't post), I fell for it and the board probably fell for it as well. Perhaps I'm too trusting in what people say. 

 

That's not to say his way can't keep us up, it can. But whilst trying to paint himself as some expansive forward thinking coach, he's so far just proved to be your usual bog standard limited british coach. Trading standards should probably have a word about false advertising. 

 

40 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I'm convinced he got the job because he reassured the board that he'd pick up where Maresca left off and the board thought, "Great! We thought we were going to have to fork out for Corberan but now we don't have to." Then Cooper started work and it became apparent that he had no intention of playing Maresca's way despite having a squad that was ready-made for it.

 

Will Cooper revert to a style that more closely resembles last season's (and brings Fatawu and Ricardo back into the fold)? It seems unlikely. So his only hope is that he somehow manages to get the players to play his way. And if there are no clear signs of this happening soon, that will probably be it for him.

Isn't this just the saddest thing? That he's come in and just not done what he promised or implied he would, at all. And there's little we can now do but sack him, which the board won't do any time soon.

 

This is going to sound overly harsh, but I wish he had some sort of probation period. Cooper's grossly missold what he would do, and his skillset. He's just not fulfilling the job spec, ultimately.

[Bob666]

26 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Nobody's expecting them to get anything at Arsenal on Saturday, which means their home game against us could be both Martin's and Cooper's last chance to save themselves. 

El Sackico? Not quite THFC v MUFC in 21 .....

[kingpower]

42 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Nobody's expecting them to get anything at Arsenal on Saturday, which means their home game against us could be both Martin's and Cooper's last chance to save themselves. 

you've got to think that if Bournemouth turn us over and then we do anything but win against Saints - he has to be given the boot.
Although if we lose by 2 or more goals on Saturday then I hope the board take action then, before the Int. break.

Edited 2 October 2024 by kingpower

[StriderHiryu]

Cooper on Walsall: "They are a competitive team that are well setup and hard to break down".

 

 

Also Walsall:

 

[cropstonfox]

1 hour ago, CloudFox said:

 

Isn't this just the saddest thing? That he's come in and just not done what he promised or implied he would, at all. And there's little we can now do but sack him, which the board won't do any time soon.

 

This is going to sound overly harsh, but I wish he had some sort of probation period. Cooper's grossly missold what he would do, and his skillset. He's just not fulfilling the job spec, ultimately.

We haven't got a clue what happened at the interview.

Yes he's not doing great,but perhaps he promised a gradual acclimatisation to the Premier league.Who knows we were not there.

[Stadt]

I was dead set against the appointment in the first place - it was classic Leicester, cheap, out of work, already managed in the Premier League.

 

It's not even as if Cooper is underperforming, this is just what he does. Besides the 3 at the back this exactly what has happened.

 

We clearly didn't place any emphasis on analytics when appointing a manager, that's where the footballing decision makers should be starting the managerial search. 

 

These stats profile him quite well, i'm not having the 'well Forest were a circus' line either, the Boly, Aurier, Shelvey etc signings are him all over.

 

His Forest team were 19th for xGD in 22/23

Joint 4th fewest wins: 9 (with us)

38 goals for 

Joint 4th for most goals conceded: 68 (with us again, shock)

 

They basically drew their way to safety with a 9-11-18 record, hardly the right fit for a side with a points deduction. 

 

If he was appointed with a view to going down anyway - why spend over £50m net on the likes of Skipp, Ayew and Reid - clearly not players who are suited to being promotion favourites?

 

It was all so avoidable, our strategy is shit, the processes are shit, half of the people involved are shit.

 

 

[Stadt]

There's lots of stats we're bottom of the league for including xG and xGA against but the one that made me laugh the most is we're bottom for corners.

 

We've had 16 in 6 games, next fewest is 21. Even Southampton have had 30.

[Stadt]

Ok I can keep going, Burnley's (absolutely shit side, 24 points, 5 wins) expected goal difference per 90 last season was - 0.78 per 90

Luton, even worse than them - 0.94 per 90

Sheff United - third worst PL side ever -1.01 per 90

 

What are we at?

 

-1.34 per 90 !!!!

Edited 2 October 2024 by Stadt

[Mike Oxlong]

Heads should roll for the **** ups at director level but if Rudkin got the boot Top would have him heading up the task group to find his replacement with Rudkin  advising that there is someone in house with experience as DoF who is eminently suitable 

[Koke]

Never thought I'd see the day we'd be underdogs at home against Bournemouth. 

[orangecity23]

47 minutes ago, Stadt said:

There's lots of stats we're bottom of the league for including xG and xGA against but the one that made me laugh the most is we're bottom for corners.

 

We've had 16 in 6 games, next fewest is 21. Even Southampton have had 30.

Sounds about right, Cooper only allows us in the opposition final third once 60 minutes have gone and we are 1 or 2 goals down, so we only get near their goalline about a third of the time other teams get

[Clarkeyblue]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Cooper on Walsall: "They are a competitive team that are well setup and hard to break down".

 

 

Also Walsall:

 

PSG can’t be any good they couldn’t score at Arsenal

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Ok I can keep going, Burnley's (absolutely shit side, 24 points, 5 wins) expected goal difference per 90 last season was - 0.78 per 90

Luton, even worse than them - 0.94 per 90

Sheff United - third worst PL side ever -1.01 per 90

 

What are we at?

 

-1.34 per 90 !!!!

Project Keep It Tight off to a flier. Looking forward to seeing what sort of scorelines we can rack up in the second half of the season when Hermansen goes to Chelsea on deadline day and we make a late move for Wayne Hennessey

[trooky]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

There's lots of stats we're bottom of the league for including xG and xGA against but the one that made me laugh the most is we're bottom for corners.

 

We've had 16 in 6 games, next fewest is 21. Even Southampton have had 30.

You need to attack to win corners

[winteriscoming]

I don’t get the logic of fans. 
Spoke to somebody today and said I was Cooper out. 
His response was we’ve been competitive in all the games and who are you going to get. 
I said look abroad plenty of decent options and that the next 4 games are winnable. 
He laughed when when I mentioned the winnable games. 
I asked him if we can’t look at beating Bournemouth, Southampton, Forest and Ipswich who are we going to get wins against?

Apparently there are no easy games in this league.
I give up. 

[RoboFox]

9 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t get the logic of fans. 
Spoke to somebody today and said I was Cooper out. 
His response was we’ve been competitive in all the games and who are you going to get. 
I said look abroad plenty of decent options and that the next 4 games are winnable. 
He laughed when when I mentioned the winnable games. 
I asked him if we can’t look at beating Bournemouth, Southampton, Forest and Ipswich who are we going to get wins against?

Apparently there are no easy games in this league.
I give up. 

This is probably the opinion among the majority of fans and the FT massive are outliers in this respect. 

 

Same fans who thought sacking Rodgers after 12 months of abject misery when we were careening towards the Champo was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.

 

Edited 2 October 2024 by RoboFox

[Iwebema]

21 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t get the logic of fans. 
Spoke to somebody today and said I was Cooper out. 
His response was we’ve been competitive in all the games and who are you going to get. 
I said look abroad plenty of decent options and that the next 4 games are winnable. 
He laughed when when I mentioned the winnable games. 
I asked him if we can’t look at beating Bournemouth, Southampton, Forest and Ipswich who are we going to get wins against?

Apparently there are no easy games in this league.
I give up. 

Unfortunately alot of fans don't go into the details of what they are watching, and their opinion is just based on vibes, gut feel and tired out of date football platitudes.

Of course everyone is absolutely welcome to their opinion, but its always nice when it can be backed up with something more than that.

 

As has been shown, no matter what data or analytics you focus on, we have been shocking for about 80% of every game, that data undeniably backs that up let alone just using your eyes, he is 100% getting away with it (insert meme "he can't keep getting away with this")

 

He will need to fundamentally 180 alot of things on Saturday, or it is just a matter of time before he goes to be honest regardless.

 

I still hold blind hope he will make changes, he must have some kind of analytics team advising him of all the things that have been shared on here, he seems like a grounded guy so surely he would even listen to that feedback, we aren't dealing with an egomaniac, but I think the biggest argument to be pessimistic about change is it's a continuation of what he did at forest but he doesn't have the home fans in a place to carry the team through games which is a large part of his system.

Edited 2 October 2024 by Iwebema

[The Quick Brown Fox]

56 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

This is probably the opinion among the majority of fans and the FT massive are outliers in this respect. 

 

Same fans who thought sacking Rodgers after 12 months of abject misery when we were careening towards the Champo was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.

 

Same with Ranieri too.

[Father Ted]

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

[worthosoriginals]

19 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

Totally clueless post

[murphy]

18 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

You might think that we're doing OK cus we're sitting outside of the relegation zone for now, but at this rate we are on course for 19 points and certain relegation.

 

Personally, I just think that Cooper's bus parking is not giving us our best chance of survival.  The idea of bringing in wingers for their defensive attributes makes my teeth itch.

 

[Les-TA-Jon]

20 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

The debate isn’t Cooper vs Enzoball is it? 
 

it’s ‘is Cooper good enough to keep us up?’ 
 

no one has changed the objective of finishing 17th 

 

the worry is that, as poor as Cooper has been, will continue over the next 4 crucial fixtures. Even if we sack him afterwards it could be too late…

[The Quick Brown Fox]

1 minute ago, worthosoriginals said:

Totally clueless post

Won't you have a cup of Cooper, 

 

Go on

Go on 

 

Go on

Go on 

 

Ahhhh go on 

[Pliskin]

23 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

Absolute piffle.

[trooky]

2 hours ago, Father Ted said:

Let’s see where we are at in 4 games time. Before the season started, I think all would have taken 17th place, so why should the objective change now? Do none of you remember the total dross served up that saw us stumble over the line at the end of last season? Guarantee that style of football would have us straight back down like Burnley the previous season. 
 

Give Cooper time. 

Nope, he's had his time. Everton was a game we needed to win, Fulham away and Aston Villa at home were also games we should get a point.

 

Ipswich have had a harder start and are currently on a 4 match unbeaten run.

Edited 2 October 2024 by trooky