Cooper - OUT

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, The Doctor said:

says we'll get an FFP sanction if we go down, which we probably will - we've argued successfully we were an EFL club on the 30th June 2023, so the PL didn't have jurisdiction to punish the breach. the corollary to that then is the EFL do have jurisdiction, and will try to punish us for the breach 

I realise this, but pretty sure they also stated we may get another this year which seems highly unlikely.

[HighPeakFox]

I'm not sure who people want out more - Cooper or the relevant hiring committee. 

 

I sense a poll... No point triggering Cooper if the same behaviour gets repeated. 

[Parafox]

7 hours ago, Noahfence said:

We are an incredibly weird side. I don’t think anyone could clearly say what our style of play is or “the cooper way” yet we we’re going along well enough. 
 

Have fought back from behind a few times this season which shows the fight and mentality is there. 
 

Does Cooper know his best side? Does anyone? I was shouting for Fatawu to start and in the 2 games he has started he’s been pretty poor. BUT he’s a player that can create something out of nothing but also a very good impact player of the bench.

Is it an expectation thing? Is it just down to in recent years we’ve become used to challenging at the top so people are having a hard time adjusting to the change in targets? 
 

I am so confused about us 

I think you're quite right in that it's about expectations after our unexpected successes.

To quote a James song, "having seen such riches, could I live with being poor"

I guess we have to.

[sylofox]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

I realise this, but pretty sure they also stated we may get another this year which seems highly unlikely.

So you don't think we've broken the three Yr cycle having over spent 89m in one year. I'll be more surprised if we don't get a deduction.

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

So you don't think we've broken the three Yr cycle having over spent 89m in one year. I'll be more surprised if we don't get a deduction.

The money received from Chelsea for KDH and Maresca would have brought us very close to complying. We’ll either have just avoided a breach or breached by a small

margin. So either no deduction at all or a small one. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

10 hours ago, Matt said:

So, thought i'd go back and have a look where we were at this point in previous PL seasons.

 

03/11/2024 (Now); Played 10 / Won 2 / Drew 4 / Lost 4 / GF 14 / GA 18 / GD -4 / Points 10. (Position: 15th)

03/11/2022: Played 13 / Won 3 / Drew 2 / Lost 8 / GF 21 / GA 25 / GD -4 / Points 11. (Position: 18th)

03/11/2021: Played 10 / Won 4 / Drew 2 / Lost 4 / GF 15 / GA 17 / GD -2 / Points 14. (Position 11th)

 

Ohhhh, in the 22 season we'd played 3 more games so more chance of more losses and lower position....you wanna go game for game comparison I hear you cry?

2022: Played 10 / Won 1 / Drew 2 / Lost 7 / GF 15 / GA 24 / GD -9 / Points 5. (Position: 20th)

 

Very much all in the same ballpark, difference being 2022 and 2023 we were established in the PL, with a supposedly much better, more expensive team (By far! In terms of both value and wages), yet it was acceptable by many.

 

Yeah, you're right, i've not gone further than those 2 seasons because I don't need to, it argues my point and doesn't fit my 'agenda', but many, in their droves saw no problems whatsoever, in those 2 seasons. 

 

And don't give me the "But we weren't playing as poorly" because we absolutely were, we were stinking the place out, as we were in 2017/18, 2018/19 and come January (I'm being generous) of the 2020 and 2021 seasons, with no hard work, endeavor and no fight, atleast we have that this season!

 

We can take it back to the last time we were newly promoted to this league. (Something I feel people are forgetting!)

No agenda here, I'm a big Pearson fan by the way and wouldn't have a bad word said against him.

 

03/11/2014: Played 10 / Won 2 / Drew 3 / Lost 5 / GF 11 / GA 16 / GD -5 / Points 9. (Position 19th)

 

 

No one asked + bored + washed + cucked

[gurru991]

Changing the manager while Rudkin is still running the show is just a waste time. Wholesale changes at the top are needed first.   

[FoxTimmy2]

Say what you want about him, but he's put some fight into this lot that we never saw under Rodgers or Enzo. 

Don't let the negativity snowball like with Soumare, Vestergaard and Ward - where they get no credit no matter what they do.

 

He tried the fan favourite line-up and it was complete shite, we've seen why he's picking the teams he does. Ricardo's not at the races this season, and Soumare looks much better in this setup.

 

We've also been fairly lucky with no injuries to key players (Vesty aside) and Mads performing very well, not sure we can continue to keep this up.

[The Doctor]

12 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

I realise this, but pretty sure they also stated we may get another this year which seems highly unlikely.

eh, we were flying close based on the losses in 21/22 and 22/23, hopefully the KDH and Maresca money has brought us into compliance for the three year period. we'll have to see when the accounts for 23/24 are published

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

eh, we were flying close based on the losses in 21/22 and 22/23, hopefully the KDH and Maresca money has brought us into compliance for the three year period. we'll have to see when the accounts for 23/24 are published

Fair enough, thought this was the idea of the KDH sale, but guess we shall see!

[Muzzy_no7]

5 hours ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

Say what you want about him, but he's put some fight into this lot that we never saw under Rodgers or Enzo. 

Don't let the negativity snowball like with Soumare, Vestergaard and Ward - where they get no credit no matter what they do.

 

He tried the fan favourite line-up and it was complete shite, we've seen why he's picking the teams he does. Ricardo's not at the races this season, and Soumare looks much better in this setup.

 

We've also been fairly lucky with no injuries to key players (Vesty aside) and Mads performing very well, not sure we can continue to keep this up.

I don’t think any fight is directly from Pooper. I would say that’s from the leadership group of Vardy, Ricardo, Winks, Vesty, Coady etc. 

 

He may have tried the fan favourite line up but he and his staff aren’t capable of replicating the Enzo system.

 

The current state of play with our sometimes low and sometimes mid block and half arsed press isn’t sustainable. His luck WILL run out. 
 

We have 10pts on the board but if it was 4 or 5 we would have no complaints.

 

The only game this season where anyone could comfortably say yes we deserved to win that is Tranmere IMO.  
 

We are lucky to have one of the best goalkeepers in the league, without him (which come July next year, we will be) we would be bottom comfortably and on a horrendous goal difference, too. 

[Foxy51]

On 10/08/2024 at 16:36, Sly said:

This might seem a bit radical

This might seem a bit extreme

I’ve seen enough and he needs to go before  the season even starts.

This pre season has been awful. 

 

[Nolucklcfc]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/steve-cooper-exclusive-leicester-city-make-sack-decision/

[RoboFox]

I think the "source" Football Insider uses is basically FoxesTalk. 

[Lesta Legend]

Football insider are clowns. They don’t seem to like a Leicester either. 

[Beachyboy]

On 03/11/2024 at 08:29, Happy Fox said:

Our form is going to take a battering over these next 6 games.

 

Manchester United (a) - Loss

Chelsea (h) - loss

Brentford (a) - loss ( draw best case scenario)

West Ham (h) - a game we should target for a win but will be get it? Not so sure tbh! So maybe a draw

Brighton (h) - loss

Newcastle (a) - loss

 

So at the most we will accrue 3 points may seem a tad pessimistic but I think it’s likely.

 

Hopefully that will give us a decent points buffer over the relegation zone but I suspect our rivals will pick up form. I genuinely feel if a better manager is available we should make the change.

 

 

I think we get 5 points out of those games, from Brentford, West ham, Brighton 2 draws and a win

[Beachyboy]

On 03/11/2024 at 08:29, Happy Fox said:

Our form is going to take a battering over these next 6 games.

 

Manchester United (a) - Loss

Chelsea (h) - loss

Brentford (a) - loss ( draw best case scenario)

West Ham (h) - a game we should target for a win but will be get it? Not so sure tbh! So maybe a draw

Brighton (h) - loss

Newcastle (a) - loss

 

So at the most we will accrue 3 points may seem a tad pessimistic but I think it’s likely.

 

Hopefully that will give us a decent points buffer over the relegation zone but I suspect our rivals will pick up form. I genuinely feel if a better manager is available we should make the change.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I don’t think any fight is directly from Pooper. I would say that’s from the leadership group of Vardy, Ricardo, Winks, Vesty, Coady etc. 

 

He may have tried the fan favourite line up but he and his staff aren’t capable of replicating the Enzo system.

 

The current state of play with our sometimes low and sometimes mid block and half arsed press isn’t sustainable. His luck WILL run out. 
 

We have 10pts on the board but if it was 4 or 5 we would have no complaints.

 

The only game this season where anyone could comfortably say yes we deserved to win that is Tranmere IMO.  
 

We are lucky to have one of the best goalkeepers in the league, without him (which come July next year, we will be) we would be bottom comfortably and on a horrendous goal difference, too. 

We didn't have much fight last season when games got tough, Leeds, Plymouth, Millwall spring to mind, we could be performing a heck of a lot better, but to put the fight all down to the players when that hasn't been the case at times with the same players in the last 1-2 seasons is a bit of a stretch.

[Pliskin]

11 hours ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

Say what you want about him, but he's put some fight into this lot that we never saw under Rodgers or Enzo. 

Don't let the negativity snowball like with Soumare, Vestergaard and Ward - where they get no credit no matter what they do.

 

He tried the fan favourite line-up and it was complete shite, we've seen why he's picking the teams he does. Ricardo's not at the races this season, and Soumare looks much better in this setup.

 

We've also been fairly lucky with no injuries to key players (Vesty aside) and Mads performing very well, not sure we can continue to keep this up.

You do realise more is required than just chucking a previous managers line up together and hoping you get the same result. You actually need to deploy the tactic, for which Cooper is incapable of doing. 

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

You do realise more is required than just chucking a previous managers line up together and hoping you get the same result. You actually need to deploy the tactic, for which Cooper is incapable of doing. 

OP "Ricardo's not at the races this season" is a point though. Talk about tactics all day but I expect a full back to win that header which led to their goal. 

 

More often than not players win and lose games.

[Lambert09]

On 03/11/2024 at 03:29, Happy Fox said:

Our form is going to take a battering over these next 6 games.

 

Manchester United (a) - Loss

Chelsea (h) - loss

Brentford (a) - loss ( draw best case scenario)

West Ham (h) - a game we should target for a win but will be get it? Not so sure tbh! So maybe a draw

Brighton (h) - loss

Newcastle (a) - loss

 

So at the most we will accrue 3 points may seem a tad pessimistic but I think it’s likely.

 

Hopefully that will give us a decent points buffer over the relegation zone but I suspect our rivals will pick up form. I genuinely feel if a better manager is available we should make the change.

 

 

I think cooper is gone before brighton.  2 expected losses, before 2 poor results that plummet us to the relegation zone. 

 

 

[fleckneymike]

This thread from Dom Wells is damning

 

 

apologies if previously posted

[Electric Yetis]

8 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

This thread from Dom Wells is damning

 

 

apologies if previously posted

Are you able to post the whole thing. Don't have twitter and it doesn't let you read without an account.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Electric Yetis said:

Are you able to post the whole thing. Don't have twitter and it doesn't let you read without an account.

The short version is that with his selection Cooper went for the Enzo structure that suits playing out from the back/through midfield with Vestergaard/Ricardo/Winks, but then had us building up in a way (direct balls out to the wingers) that managed to both neglect those three players and also meant Buonanotte wasn't really involved in the build up

[Royston.]

8 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I don’t think any fight is directly from Pooper. I would say that’s from the leadership group of Vardy, Ricardo, Winks, Vesty, Coady etc. 

 

He may have tried the fan favourite line up but he and his staff aren’t capable of replicating the Enzo system.

 

The current state of play with our sometimes low and sometimes mid block and half arsed press isn’t sustainable. His luck WILL run out. 
 

We have 10pts on the board but if it was 4 or 5 we would have no complaints.

 

The only game this season where anyone could comfortably say yes we deserved to win that is Tranmere IMO.  
 

We are lucky to have one of the best goalkeepers in the league, without him (which come July next year, we will be) we would be bottom comfortably and on a horrendous goal difference, too. 

yeah i hate when players actually do the job for which they are insanely well paid

[fleckneymike]

29 minutes ago, Electric Yetis said:

Are you able to post the whole thing. Don't have twitter and it doesn't let you read without an account.

I’ve screenshot the thread