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[ozleicester]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

But the frequency of these more serious ones is increasing all the time, that's sadly verifiable.

 

Believe me, I wish it weren't the case.

This again is what many of the deniers miss... the frequency will in time, make these places unlivable, you wont have time to rebuild before the next one is due. This is being shown in nice middle class USA... but its happening across the world

Get ready for the refugees

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, MPH said:

 

i have friends who lost everything here in North Carolina. Whole towns swept away by the flooded rivers coming down the mountains. Hundreds still missing

It's been grim across vast areas.

 

How many times does it have to be said that we underestimate humanitarian problems generated by natural consequences and overestimate those caused by other humans? It has a measurable effect in terms of lives and misery.

 

5 hours ago, NJFox said:

Well said. Storm surge is a big deal that doesn’t get mentioned enough. Newer buildings are built for winds, but water is a different animal. Added trouble with high tide predicted in the early morning hours, right after landfall. Our best friends are in Zone A in St. Petersburg, and left today. Expecting the worst, no sugarcoating it.

Yeah, that's true.

 

I hope your friends stay safe, and their home too. Terrible events.

 

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

This again is what many of the deniers miss... the frequency will in time, make these places unlivable, you wont have time to rebuild before the next one is due. This is being shown in nice middle class USA... but its happening across the world

Get ready for the refugees

I think that they're not missing it to be honest, by this point in time I would suggest most of the ignorance is wilful - they just don't care about it until it's at their very doorstep. By which time it will be too late to do much at all.

 

WRT refugees from these situations, well, such people will think there's a time-honoured method of dealing with that too. Namely, by abandoning them to their fate. Whether one thinks that's somehow morally or societally acceptable, or if the consequences of those actions will eventually reach those who really don't care, is naturally up to the beholder.

[fox_up_north]

At this point, anyone who denies the impact of man made climate change is being wilfully ignorant. My guess is shame at previous ignorance, fear of the impact or a feeling of helplessness. 

 

It's ok to feel those things but not ok to use those feelings to continue being purposefully ignorant of something that IS affecting us now. The more people kick up a fuss and ask "what can I do?" the faster we improve things.

 

They're beyond fixing completely, from what I can see, but not from repairing. Like having a house that leaks a bit in a storm compared to one that falls over in a breeze. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

15 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

There were genuinely tonnes of people that seemed to absolutely love it to be fair, it was a really odd time.

 

We really had some good times. As a one off experience we made the most of it. It did open up a new way of living the summer was great and o one close to us passed away. 

 

I know for others it was a complete nightmare especially if they could see loved ones or lonely etc

[leicsmac]

13 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

At this point, anyone who denies the impact of man made climate change is being wilfully ignorant. My guess is shame at previous ignorance, fear of the impact or a feeling of helplessness. 

 

It's ok to feel those things but not ok to use those feelings to continue being purposefully ignorant of something that IS affecting us now. The more people kick up a fuss and ask "what can I do?" the faster we improve things.

 

They're beyond fixing completely, from what I can see, but not from repairing. Like having a house that leaks a bit in a storm compared to one that falls over in a breeze. 

I think that covers most of the explanations, but then I guess there are also those who simply don't care about those beyond their line of sight and think the consequences won't affect them, so they'll do everything they can to keep things as they are because it benefits them personally.

 

As you say, it's an explanation, but it really isn't an excuse - not now and certainly not in the future should everything go horrible and those who are left look for who to blame for it.

 

There will still be consequences no matter what we do now, but every day we don't get our shit together as a species the cost now and future goes up.

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

This again is what many of the deniers miss... the frequency will in time, make these places unlivable, you wont have time to rebuild before the next one is due. This is being shown in nice middle class USA... but its happening across the world

Get ready for the refugees

More like the economic viability of rebuilding against the statical likelihood of it being decimated again within a period will become the question.  Human nature will mean that people will still rebuild though - however wont be able to get insurance and these communities will dwindle as a consequence. 

 

There are physical characteristics of certain coastal locations that make them more prone to the flooding - I’m guessing that communities will slowly relocate away from these and find areas which are more ‘secure’.

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

At this point, anyone who denies the impact of man made climate change is being wilfully ignorant. My guess is shame at previous ignorance, fear of the impact or a feeling of helplessness. 

 

It's ok to feel those things but not ok to use those feelings to continue being purposefully ignorant of something that IS affecting us now. The more people kick up a fuss and ask "what can I do?" the faster we improve things.

 

They're beyond fixing completely, from what I can see, but not from repairing. Like having a house that leaks a bit in a storm compared to one that falls over in a breeze. 

I wager they won't kick up a fuss and say 'what can I do' or atleast not put two and two together to realise doing what you can will ensure a short term quality of life decrease. The postman on here will attest to the hordes of landfill being ordered from Temu on a daily basis, I am sure. Remember we are part of the electorate that voted for Brexit. 

As it stands there are plenty of ways you can get involved, UK GOV frequently consult on climate issues, open to the general public. The US SEC consultation got 24,000 responses! Mostly saying 'we love oil baby woohooooo at a boy go get em sport!!!!!!!!!' and it is now going through the courts. 

[leicsmac]

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

More like the economic viability of rebuilding against the statical likelihood of it being decimated again within a period will become the question.  Human nature will mean that people will still rebuild though - however wont be able to get insurance and these communities will dwindle as a consequence. 

 

There are physical characteristics of certain coastal locations that make them more prone to the flooding - I’m guessing that communities will slowly relocate away from these and find areas which are more ‘secure’.

Until there's nowhere else for them to go.

 

Not a problem in the US (for now), but it will become an issue elsewhere, if it isn't already.

[urban.spaceman]

Honestly can't get over the fact that someone thought the Chagos Islands weren't even on earth.

 

[urban.spaceman]

Badenough and Jenprick it is. 
 

Starmer just opened a bottle of the good shit and poured himself a glass. 

[Lionator]

6 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Badenough and Jenprick it is. 
 

Starmer just opened a bottle of the good shit and poured himself a glass. 

I obviously want tories out of power for a long time but out of the three, Cleverley as Tory leader would’ve been absolutely the best thing for the party and country. What a bunch of nutters. 

Edited 9 October 2024 by Lionator

[CosbehFox]

What a gift from the Tory membership 

[SpacedX]

18 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Or the past - there’s been plenty of hurricanes over the past decades to be fair 

Hurricane Milton became one of the most rapidly intensifying storms on record as it went from barely hurricane strength to a lethal Category 5 storm in less than a day. Rapid intensification is becoming more common with the warming of sea surface temperatures. Higher sea surface temperatures and lower salinity increase the amount of moisture available to storms, fueling rapid intensification. Warmer waters provide the heat needed for moisture to evaporate, while lower salinity helps trap that heat near the surface. This allows more sustained heat and moisture to transfer to the storm, driving faster and stronger intensification. Falling barometric pressure is the best predictor of the growing intensity of a storm. Milton's pressure dropped 50 millibars over the space of 10 hours. That is unprecedented. 

 

Sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico are currently around two to three degrees warmer than 20th century averages. There is a measured increase in the number of tropical cyclones experiencing rapid intensification over the past four decades. Natural variability alone could not explain these increases in rapidly intensifying storms, indicating a likely role of human-induced/anthropogenic climate change. A causal link between a warming climate and the power of future storms is now unequivocal. 

[Dahnsouff]

Absolute state of the opposition.  

[Tommy G]

23 minutes ago, SpacedX said:

Hurricane Milton became one of the most rapidly intensifying storms on record as it went from barely hurricane strength to a lethal Category 5 storm in less than a day. Rapid intensification is becoming more common with the warming of sea surface temperatures. Higher sea surface temperatures and lower salinity increase the amount of moisture available to storms, fueling rapid intensification. Warmer waters provide the heat needed for moisture to evaporate, while lower salinity helps trap that heat near the surface. This allows more sustained heat and moisture to transfer to the storm, driving faster and stronger intensification. Falling barometric pressure is the best predictor of the growing intensity of a storm. Milton's pressure dropped 50 millibars over the space of 10 hours. That is unprecedented. 

 

Sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico are currently around two to three degrees warmer than 20th century averages. There is a measured increase in the number of tropical cyclones experiencing rapid intensification over the past four decades. Natural variability alone could not explain these increases in rapidly intensifying storms, indicating a likely role of human-induced/anthropogenic climate change. A causal link between a warming climate and the power of future storms is now unequivocal. 

I'm not a climate change denier, I was merely pointing out there have been plenty of deadly hurricanes in past decades. So save your copy and paste article for someone else. 

[SpacedX]

Just now, Tommy G said:

I'm not a climate change denier, I was merely pointing out there have been plenty of deadly hurricanes in past decades. So save your copy and paste article for someone else. 

Eh? Seriously? What an utterly bizarre and unwarranted response and at no stage did I suggest that you were "a climate change denier". 

 

And merely pointing out that there have been plenty of deadly hurricanes in the past is not only very obvious but also completely missing Leicsmac's point. 

 

The barometric plunge in pressure associated with this hurricane was astonishing - and that is a very significant talking point. Apologies if it offends you. 

[Dunge]

I reckon the Conservative MPs assumed Cleverley would get through so hurled their votes at who would get through with him.

 

ie They’ve c*cked up completely and now they’re stuffed for years.

[Footballwipe]

And here was hoping culture war politics would be sent back to the looney Reform and fringe element of parliament.

 

Looks like we've got it for a fair while yet. If Labour didn't keep stepping on rakes it'd be funny.

[Zear0]

This is like when Labour members picked Corbyn.  Way to shoot yourselves in the foot guys.

Edited 9 October 2024 by Zear0

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Badenough and Jenprick it is. 
 

Starmer just opened a bottle of the good shit and poured himself a glass. 

Who donated it to him

[Greg2607]

I guess with RJ or KB as LEader of the Opposition, it does potentially open the door for some kind of merge with Reform. 

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

This is like when Labour members picked Corbyn.  Way to shoot yourselves in the foot guys.

Or the last time the Tory members voted for a leader …..

[Dunge]

I was genuinely interested what Cleverley might be like as party leader. Instead they’re now going to get Jenrick, who basically presents as Vaseline Farage.

[urban.spaceman]

21 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

This is like when Labour members picked Corbyn.  Way to shoot yourselves in the foot guys.

I mean all 3 are batshit insane and generally all-round terrible people, but at least Badenoch and Jenrick had actually achieved stuff in their careers before becoming leader. What they achieved was failure, but that that isn't the point.

[urban.spaceman]

17 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Who donated it to him

It was one of the many left by Boris after Partygate.