Jeremy Monga

[Sly]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

He is if he's training with our 1st team 

In fairness, I’m in my 40s and I’ve had less space playing with people my age on a 6 a side pitch. 

 

I’m hoping this isn’t the usual standard they’re playing at! 

[Chrysalis]

15 hours ago, JimJams said:

Could be great.  Plays and looks absolute dog shit.  Interest over.

Damn you beat me to it, my exact thoughts.

[Ric Flair]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

No harm in playing him by the way, I personally just don’t think he’ll stand out. The question remains, can he hold his own at such a young age. If he can, that’s exceptional. 
 

For those asking.

 

He can sign a contract with another club in the UK when he’s 16, with his parents consent. This is essentially what Nyoni did when he joined Liverpool.

 

With us no longer being in the EU, unless his parents get a job in Paris, Madrid, Milan etc, for non footballing reasons, he can’t join join a foreign club. 
 

If he goes anywhere, it will be to an academy like Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. 

 

We are then obviously entitled compensation if he moves clubs. That won’t be in the millions like people suggest and isn’t impacted massively by if they’ve played or not. We stand to get less if he goes abroad.
 

https://playerstatus.thefa.com/support/solutions/articles/80001137042-compensation-fee-tribunal

 

A player generally must be at least 16 years old to play in the Premier League.
 

This rule is set by the Football Association (FA) and the Premier League to ensure the physical and mental readiness of young players.

 

Ethan Nwaneri, who made his debut for Arsenal at 15 years and 181 days in September 2022. That was an exception, and he was granted special permission due to his talent and “readiness”.

 

Tribunals in such circumstances have led to several million pound compensation set. Happened to Chelsea after signing a couple of Brighton academy players. Many other examples too.

 

 

[Ric Flair]

8 hours ago, BlueApple said:

I've been supporting Leicester for a long time and I've never known there to be this much talk of a player his age.

 

Playing for the U21 at 15 is nothing to be sniffed at but to be performing well so quickly does bode very well. 

 

Jake Evans as well seems to be doing well in the U21s, the good thing about them both is that they've both still not found their ceiling at such a young age. Is Evans 17? In my head that's old enough to be brought into the match day squad, it's not like it's a massive miss if McAteer doesn't warm the bench for a couple games.

 

Also, considering we're so shackled by PSR, surely trying to speed up their development is only a good thing. Look at Dibling for Southampton, yes they're going down but Dibling was linked to a £55m move to Spurs this window just gone. That's pure profit, enough for a rebuild in the Championship.

 

Apologies for the essay but there's nothing else to get excited about at Leicester currently!

 

Jake Evans is another very promising talent. Not got quite the hype of Monga and maybe isn't quite as obvious how good he could become but we should be excited about him. He ought to be cin with a chance of the 1st team in the next year IMO.

[Sly]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Tribunals in such circumstances have led to several million pound compensation set. Happened to Chelsea after signing a couple of Brighton academy players. Many other examples too.

 

 

I guess it depends on how it’s built up. Reading between the lines it looks like how you quantify the training time. 

[Sly]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Jake Evans is another very promising talent. Not got quite the hype of Monga and maybe isn't quite as obvious how good he could become but we should be excited about him. He ought to be cin with a chance of the 1st team in the next year IMO.

The bottom line is, they need to be used in games like FA Cup, League Cup etc. 

 

It was bizarre that no one got used against QPR. 

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, Sly said:

I guess it depends on how it’s built up. Reading between the lines it looks like how you quantify the training time. 

I think what drives it massively is their international recognition. Monga has already starred at England youth level, like Nyoni and I'm fascinated to see what happens to thr tribunal with Trey. Still not heard anything. I suspect it'll be several million but mostly in add ons.

[JimmyC74]

The wait for the Nyoni ruling is starting to feel as long as the wait for the Man City 115 charges judgement

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Edited 5 February by JimmyC74

[coolhandfox]

47 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think what drives it massively is their international recognition. Monga has already starred at England youth level, like Nyoni and I'm fascinated to see what happens to thr tribunal with Trey. Still not heard anything. I suspect it'll be several million but mostly in add ons.

This article is an interesting read with lots of thoughts from, former loan manager and academy coach Guy Branston on that future tribunal  

 

Inside Trey Nyoni's move to Liverpool and tribunal case with Leicester City - Liverpool Echo

 

I don't think not playing Monga protects us, in fact, it probably gives us a stronger case if he plays. 

 

I think our focus needs to shift to developing talent from our Academy and to buying talent for development. 

 

Become the club of choice for talent to go to, knowing they will get game time and be sold on at the right time a bit like Dortmund. 

 

 

 

Edited 5 February by coolhandfox

[JimmyC74]

12 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

This article is an interesting read with lots of thoughts from, former loan manager and academy coach Guy Branston on that future tribunal  

 

Inside Trey Nyoni's move to Liverpool and tribunal case with Leicester City - Liverpool Echo

 

I don't think not playing Monga protects us, in fact, it probably gives us a stronger case if he plays. 

 

I think our focus needs to shift to developing talent from our Academy and to buying talent for development. 

 

Become the club of choice for talent to go to, knowing they will get game time and be sold on at the right time a bit like Dortmund. 

 

 

 

I don't have a good enough knowledge of the youth set-up, so I could be wrong but, it feels like when they launched Seagrave and the employed the likes of Paul McGuinness the aim was to focus on youth but we have never really demonstrated any faith in progressing key talents into the first team.

 

Have we got elite coaches in place now? Does the Football hierarchy (Managers and DofF) believe in players / recommendations from the coaches (about readiness)?

 

Edited 5 February by JimmyC74

[Matt]

I and others have accused management, past and present of “proving a point” regards team selection, showing the need more, better support and backing.

 

Where that theory doesn’t stand up is the refusal of the management (again, past and present) to use youth prospects, Alves, Braybrooke, Nyoni, Monga.

 

What more of a point is needed or what more of statement could be made than that.

Hopefully it’d pay off, hopefully it’d develop the players but equally if it didn’t pay off it proves your point.

 

Edited 5 February by Matt

[coalvillefox]

At what point to we stop shipping the likes of Braybrooke, Alves and Nelson out on loan and start giving them a chance in the first team? Or is academy football just a money making machine these days in which we get them enough experience through loans in order for them to have a value and then we ship them off for pure profit?

[TheGoldenGod]

8 minutes ago, coalvillefox said:

At what point to we stop shipping the likes of Braybrooke, Alves and Nelson out on loan and start giving them a chance in the first team? Or is academy football just a money making machine these days in which we get them enough experience through loans in order for them to have a value and then we ship them off for pure profit?

It's an easy win for the club as well as the fans get to see homegrown products come through and how much worse than the current bunch out there week in, week out can they be?

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, coalvillefox said:

At what point to we stop shipping the likes of Braybrooke, Alves and Nelson out on loan and start giving them a chance in the first team? Or is academy football just a money making machine these days in which we get them enough experience through loans in order for them to have a value and then we ship them off for pure profit?

you've answered the question, outside of the big six academy football is about producing profit for psr compliance, and it's going to kill player development and eventually the England side

[adejo92]

Our sole first team signing can't get a game ahead of the worst player in the squad, i don't expect a child from the academy to get a sniff at this club.

Edited 5 February by adejo92

[StanSP]

34 minutes ago, coalvillefox said:

At what point to we stop shipping the likes of Braybrooke, Alves and Nelson out on loan and start giving them a chance in the first team? Or is academy football just a money making machine these days in which we get them enough experience through loans in order for them to have a value and then we ship them off for pure profit?

When we're in the Championship. 

[Ely fox]

Let’s just enjoy the Championship once again. Different away grounds. Winning most weeks. I’m looking forward to it strangely. Hopefully Vardy stays and ends up doing well in the championship. I would guess he will either leave or retire but who knows with Vardy = Legend. He might stay on because he and his young family live not too far away and doesn’t want to move them. We might escape relegation but I doubt it after that abismal transfer window it seems the hierarchy have been planning for relegation to the championship. 

[coolhandfox]

36 minutes ago, JimmyC74 said:

I don't have a good enough knowledge of the youth set-up, so I could be wrong but, it feels like when they launched Seagrave and the employed the likes of Paul McGuinness the aim was to focus on youth but we have never really demonstrated any faith in progressing key talents into the first team.

 

Have we got elite coaches in place now? Does the Football hierarchy (Managers and DofF) believe in players / recommendations from the coaches (about readiness)?

 

I think it is a lack of strategic alignment, we need a vision, and strategy, which operational activities align with. 

 

We have the physical infrastructure in place i.e. Seagrave, but you have to create the culture, which is continuously shaped through actions and interactions of club employees. 

 

We need a DOF who believes in it and then employs a manager and coaches who believe in it. 

 

We can have the best buildings, coaches, and scouts, but without employing a manager who is going to bring them into the first team, it will not work! 

 

9 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

It's an easy win for the club as well as the fans get to see homegrown products come through and how much worse than the current bunch out there week in, week out can they be?

100%

 

If they had come out in the summer and said we are in a mess and we need to cut spending short term to sort it out, but we are going to focus on developing our home grown players, people would have brought into it. 

 

We could have gone down that route, rather than buying Skipp, Okoli and Ayew for 50m, we blood Nelson, Alves and Braybrooke. 

 

People who had local lads to get behind.

 

The outcome probably is the same, we get relegated with maybe fewer points, but we build for the future, don't gather more dead wood, save money and develop sellable assets! 

 

[MPH]

17 hours ago, honeybradger said:

I hope that if he does get a chance we allow him to have a couple bad performances like the first teamers regularly put out (Ayew, Reid etc).

 

Despite being very talented Mikey Moore had a stinker against us the other week but Spurs continued to give him opportunities and he got his first professional goal soon after. 

 

Basically not only does Monga need opportunities but he needs the same level of patience that our 'experienced pro' get.

 

I feel like this kid could kill my granny in a drunken road rage  incident after throwing a disabled person out of their vehicle, just after setting fire to every restaurant in the city and people would still love him…

Edited 5 February by MPH

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I feel like this kid could kill my granny in a drunken road rage  incident after throwing a disabled person out of their vehicle, just after setting fire to every restaurant in the city and people would still love him…

Hamza - if you're reading this, it's a joke not an actual suggestion for a night out....

[Daggers]

Michael Owen made his debut at 16 and ended up starring in the world’s most boring helicopter-based advert for Dubai. So, a cautionary tale of starting player too early, there. 

[Fightforever]

Sounds harsh but we should stop bothering with acedemies if our best prospects will just get poached anyway. Brentford did the right thing in ditching theirs.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Fightforever said:

Sounds harsh but we should stop bothering with acedemies if our best prospects will just get poached anyway. Brentford did the right thing in ditching theirs.

We have sold 3 players in Chilwell, Barnes and KHD who have brought in 130m to the clubs coffers.  

 

We should be doubling down and investing more not closing it! 

Edited 5 February by coolhandfox

[JonnyBoy]

19 minutes ago, Ely fox said:

Let’s just enjoy the Championship once again. Different away grounds. Winning most weeks. I’m looking forward to it strangely. Hopefully Vardy stays and ends up doing well in the championship. I would guess he will either leave or retire but who knows with Vardy = Legend. He might stay on because he and his young family live not too far away and doesn’t want to move them. We might escape relegation but I doubt it after that abismal transfer window it seems the hierarchy have been planning for relegation to the championship. 

 

This post wouldn't look out of place from May 22/23, shows how far our club have gone downhill and made so many wrong decision 

 

We have learnt absolutely f all from it haven't we 

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, JimmyC74 said:

I don't have a good enough knowledge of the youth set-up, so I could be wrong but, it feels like when they launched Seagrave and the employed the likes of Paul McGuinness the aim was to focus on youth but we have never really demonstrated any faith in progressing key talents into the first team.

 

Have we got elite coaches in place now? Does the Football hierarchy (Managers and DofF) believe in players / recommendations from the coaches (about readiness)?

 

The Paul McGuinness appointment was brilliant and to me a real sign that the club wanted to really start putting serious effort into developing the academy

 

He left in September 2022 and as far as I am aware he still hasn’t been replaced