Player revolt…

[iancognito]

TBH this BS rumour story didn't deserve 5 pages but this is why they keep printing this crap.

 

Another Cooper in/out debate, another round of speculation with no substance.

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, Lionator said:

Even if they didn’t like him (pretty sure the majority did), they clearly respected him. 

Yep that can’t be argued but cracks were appearing around the time of the Plymouth game. 
 

Ultimately Enzo had confidence in his plan and way of playing. That made it easier for the players to unite behind. 

Edited 26 September 2024 by CosbehFox

[1972 Fox]

17 hours ago, splinterdream said:

he came back out, probably needed a gipsy's kiss

Think Hamza needs a Glasgow kiss.

 

Edited 26 September 2024 by 1972 Fox

[The Doctor]

12 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Nigel Pearson. Who was nearly sacked - partly because of sections of the fanbase irrationally hating him - at least 4 times in his second spell (the one that led to us going up, staying up and, one year later, winning the league). And don't get me started on O'Neill. At least the fans managed 12 games then before throwing bricks. Also ex-Forest, wasn't he? And neither of them were pin-up material, or previously successful at the level we were playing at.

 

It'd be good to see what getting behind the team and seeing the positives for once could achieve, instead of this blanket negativity. If that fails in 5, 6 or 7 games time, then fine. But some people here seem to enjoy trying to make sure that this can't work out. If it goes wrong, with everyone pulling in the right direction, we'll know soon enough. We're way, way short of a disaster at the moment, and so long as we're a bit more on the ball than we were under Rodgers, we'll have every chance of staying up.

what positives are there currently though?

 

look at the stats

We're 18th for Shots on target per game (ahead of Southampton and Ipswich)

19th for shots per game (ahead of Ipswich)

19th for xG (ahead of Ipswich)

18th for Passes into the penalty area (ahead of forest and Ipswich)

19th for shot creating actions (ahead of Ipswich)

 

pretty awful offensive stats ahead of only Ipswich consistently, who've had man city and Liverpool in their fixtures so far.

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

9 hours ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

We've drawn with Palace, Tottenham, Everton

Lost by 1 goal to Villa and Fulham. 

15th in the league. 

 

4 games the players worked hard. 

1game Everton it was a bad day at the office. 

 

Think we need some objectivity here. 

 

 

@Stadt please give this man some objectively correct stats as to our performances so far.

[Gazza M]

6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

what positives are there currently though?

 

look at the stats

We're 18th for Shots on target per game (ahead of Southampton and Ipswich)

19th for shots per game (ahead of Ipswich)

19th for xG (ahead of Ipswich)

18th for Passes into the penalty area (ahead of forest and Ipswich)

19th for shot creating actions (ahead of Ipswich)

 

pretty awful offensive stats ahead of only Ipswich consistently, who've had man city and Liverpool in their fixtures so far.

 

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

[blue army 1988]

21 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

Delusions of grandeur spring to mind.

As long as Cooper keeps us out of the relegation zone I'll be happy (sort of).

All we need to do this season is stay up!

[Stadt]

22 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

 

Why do clubs have analytics departments that cost millions if stats aren’t to be read into? 
 

That’s really dumb if you’re being serious 

[RumbleFox]

30 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

I believe the point is, the stats suggest we are overachieving and are likely to regress. The last thing I would ever want is to call for someone to be sacked, it’s a horrible thing and never feels right but we really really are looking very bad and something needs to change. 

[The Doctor]

39 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

please look up the concept of regression to the mean 

[Tielemans63]

The first line of the article states 'a possible mutiny could be on the cards'

 

'On the cards' means it might happen. 'Possibly on the cards means' 'we're just guessing here in the hope of getting a few clicks'.

 

That said, I noticed that when the game on Tuesday ended and it went to pens, there was very little communication between manager and players in that few minutes. Some players were actively walking away from him as he went to speak to them.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

 

Why do clubs have analytics departments that cost millions if stats aren’t to be read into? 
 

That’s really dumb if you’re being serious 

I don't think you need an analytic department to say our fixtures have been pretty middle of the road so far. 

 

Ipswich have 3 points and played Man City, Liverpool & Brighton 

 

We have played two of the teams below us. 

[VintageFox73]

Its pretty obvious he was only given the job as we were " expecting " the points deduction and heading straight back down and he was seen as the man to get us back up again .Not sure what happened with Potter, did he turn us down as he wasn't allowed to bring his own team with him including DOF and was told he couldn't ? 

 

 Did WBA manager even get interviewed ? 

 

[sylofox]

5 hours ago, Viva said:

We are a good £100m+ spend away from being a mid table squad on paper. 
It’s debatable whereabouts in the bottom four our squad is on paper. 
Thats not to say we can’t finish higher, but that’s where we are. 

I really don't get this squad valuation bollox.

 

We are living proof that money is not everything.

 

Beating utd start of the great escape season. Upto then the only prem team to beat them once they had a 2 goal lead.

 

Actually staying up that season.

 

Then 2016.

 

Mahrez 450k

Vardy 1m

Vardy one of the best strikers in prem history. 11 on the bounce and still breaking one record every time he scores.

 

 

Utd spent hundreds of millions and are miles away from being what they once was.

 

Spuds hundreds of millions and they would be happy to win a fvcking raffle right now.

 

17m for McQuire was a fair price. 80m sale was a fvcking joke as most on here would have sold him at 35m. Idiots and money soon part and sending big don't mean your getting the best player for you.

 

 

The manager and players attitude are way more important than what you've paid for them.

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

OUR PLAYERS ARE REVOLTING

YOU’LL NEVER SING THAT

[guest123]

16 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Nigel Pearson. Who was nearly sacked - partly because of sections of the fanbase irrationally hating him - at least 4 times in his second spell (the one that led to us going up, staying up and, one year later, winning the league). And don't get me started on O'Neill. At least the fans managed 12 games then before throwing bricks. Also ex-Forest, wasn't he? And neither of them were pin-up material, or previously successful at the level we were playing at.

 

It'd be good to see what getting behind the team and seeing the positives for once could achieve, instead of this blanket negativity. If that fails in 5, 6 or 7 games time, then fine. But some people here seem to enjoy trying to make sure that this can't work out. If it goes wrong, with everyone pulling in the right direction, we'll know soon enough. We're way, way short of a disaster at the moment, and so long as we're a bit more on the ball than we were under Rodgers, we'll have every chance of staying up.

What’s this nonsense yet again with the forest connection? Only ever mentioned by people backing cooper. And as for backing the team, Walsall was the first game I’ve not done due to being away, the team have more than been supported in each game. Wobble that head please son

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

15th but some of the teams below us have had far more difficult games than us.

[john ridley]

3 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

The one that matters is after 38 games ,not 5  and it'll  be a miracle if we're 15th then .

[volpeazzurro]

57 minutes ago, sylofox said:

I really don't get this squad valuation bollox.

 

We are living proof that money is not everything.

 

Beating utd start of the great escape season. Upto then the only prem team to beat them once they had a 2 goal lead.

 

Actually staying up that season.

 

Then 2016.

 

Mahrez 450k

Vardy 1m

Vardy one of the best strikers in prem history. 11 on the bounce and still breaking one record every time he scores.

 

 

Utd spent hundreds of millions and are miles away from being what they once was.

 

Spuds hundreds of millions and they would be happy to win a fvcking raffle right now.

 

17m for McQuire was a fair price. 80m sale was a fvcking joke as most on here would have sold him at 35m. Idiots and money soon part and sending big don't mean your getting the best player for you.

 

 

The manager and players attitude are way more important than what you've paid for them.

 

 

Absolutely, it's more about the who you buy and not the what you pay. Also, every team buys duds at times, however, a good scouting team can reduce risks by selecting the right players in the cheaper echelons of football. Those players like Marhez and Vardy will take time to adapt before they sparkle. We used to be fairly consistent in how we did this.

[Bourbon Fox]

3 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Don't read too much in to stats. The one that matters says we are 15th currently. Everyone apparently in the summer would have snapped your hand off if we finished there. Expectations have shifted now amongst the fan base and we aren't happy until we are pushing up the table again with bang average players at this level. 

Your stats are an excellent predictor of future performance over time.

 

Unless you're consistently lucky every week, you will 'regress to the mean'.

[Bourbon Fox]

25 minutes ago, john ridley said:

The one that matters is after 38 games ,not 5  and it'll  be a miracle if we're 15th then .

Unless we can improve these stats...

[ozleicester]

43 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Your stats are an excellent predictor of future performance over time.

 

Unless you're consistently lucky every week, you will 'regress to the mean'.

its funny when both sides of a debate use the same answer to disagree...

2015/16  

[Viva]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

I really don't get this squad valuation bollox.

 

We are living proof that money is not everything.

 

Beating utd start of the great escape season. Upto then the only prem team to beat them once they had a 2 goal lead.

 

Actually staying up that season.

 

Then 2016.

 

Mahrez 450k

Vardy 1m

Vardy one of the best strikers in prem history. 11 on the bounce and still breaking one record every time he scores.

 

 

Utd spent hundreds of millions and are miles away from being what they once was.

 

Spuds hundreds of millions and they would be happy to win a fvcking raffle right now.

 

17m for McQuire was a fair price. 80m sale was a fvcking joke as most on here would have sold him at 35m. Idiots and money soon part and sending big don't mean your getting the best player for you.

 

 

The manager and players attitude are way more important than what you've paid for them.

 

 

I was responding to a post saying that we should be aiming for mid table. The squad is currently not the quality of a mid table team. That is just a fact. That doesn't mean we can't finish mid table and far stranger things have happened in football.

However, a 17th place finish would be a very good season for us and would enable us to strengthen further next summer, with three more newly promoted teams in a tougher position than us. We are predicted to finish between 30-31.5 points by the spread betting companies. Expectations for this season need to be realistic from fans. We have pretty much had a par start to the season.

[sylofox]

14 minutes ago, Viva said:

I was responding to a post saying that we should be aiming for mid table. The squad is currently not the quality of a mid table team. That is just a fact. That doesn't mean we can't finish mid table and far stranger things have happened in football.

However, a 17th place finish would be a very good season for us and would enable us to strengthen further next summer, with three more newly promoted teams in a tougher position than us. We are predicted to finish between 30-31.5 points by the spread betting companies. Expectations for this season need to be realistic from fans. We have pretty much had a par start to the season.

You really are missing the point massively.

 

In 2015/16 season before a ball was kicked where did us and the bookies think we would finish?

 

Relegated 17th or 14th again.

 

Did we through 100m at it? No but we won it. Everyone of the established squads were valued way above ours.

 

But things fell into place

A team full of believers in what they were doing. A team that gave 110% every game. A team that fought for each other and the cause.

A manager happy to let them play the way they ended the previous season so well. One that supported the whole set up and treated the players like family.

 

As I said it's not squad value. It's what they give you and what the manager gives them.

We've seen glimpses of how they can play in a shackled defensive set up. None of us know as a team how they can play in a more open and counter attacking set up.

 

Going back to your first sentence we should be aiming for mid table or higher. Get it wrong you should still be in the prem. Aim for 17th and get it wrong and you're gone.

[J. James]

3 hours ago, sylofox said:

17m for McQuire was a fair price. 80m sale was a fvcking joke as most on here would have sold him at 35m. Idiots and money soon part and sending big don't mean your getting the best player for you.

 

Spot on, certain players are now akin to artwork- particularly conceptual art from "artists" such as Tracy Emin...

They are worth what some.. Investor.. Will pay for them and from that base, that's what their value is.

Doesn't mean the art is anything other than worth what someone paid, likewise players, paying a world record fee means only that and nothing more.

 

This non news story is truly pathetic BS.