Next Manager

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

 

If any of this is true then I can't see how there are itks confident it's Moyes. 

 

Because that reads a lot like Top is disappointed that we departed from his vision which doesn't surprise me. 

 

I don't care how many fans don't like progressive possession football, it's what the owner wants and he's never hidden that. 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

I thought Potter was the most progressive of the three in the frame but seeing him on the High Performance podcast really has shaken me. He'll make the players drink Huel

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Why so, He has a proven pedigree of working and developing young players and has done ok with the England job.

 

He'd cost less than others and would come with no baggage. 

So did Cooper. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

12 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Love reading all the various fans/pundits comment on how harsh we’ve been. Definite case of the strength of people’s opinion being inversely proportional to their knowledge on a topic!

Yes, I'm fuching delighted as I have full knowledge after watching nearly every game that twonk was in charge. 

 

Seriously super shite 

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

If all of that is true I don't see how Rudkin can stay, so that's positive! I bet we'll give him some sort of even higher up role to keep him busy though. 

 

Ex Manager point is interesting.

 

Sounds like Top is sticking around for a bit, good to see, I did think it was odd his flight back hadn't already been scheduled when he landed on Wednesday as it always is. 

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

What's John Toshack up to these days?

 

I wanted to abuse the mod functions to delete this so much. 

 

Get to ****. 

 

[Brizzle Fox]

53 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

We need a manager that can get the max out of Bobby de Cordova Reid 

That would be Lee Johnson then....

 

However I don't care who we get as long as they're young,  sexy and European and I can pretend I've heard of them.

 

It will be Moyes though.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, AjcW said:

If all of that is true I don't see how Rudkin can stay, so that's positive! I bet we'll give him some sort of even higher up role to keep him busy though. 

 

Ex Manager point is interesting.

 

Sounds like Top is sticking around for a bit, good to see, I did think it was odd his flight back hadn't already been scheduled when he landed on Wednesday as it always is. 

 

Imagine if we got rid of Cooper and Rudkin in the same month, hired an actual DoF and Head Coach combo with some common ****ing sense. 

 

What a Christmas present. 

 

[RowlattsFox]

7 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

You read that and it almost sounds like Top knows what he's doing 

 

To fulfil his ambitions regarding style etc he needs a DOF who has a bit of stature. 

[foxfanazer]

Maybe Top is starting to see the light

 

Wait a second.......maybe he reads Foxestalk 

Edited 25 November 2024 by foxfanazer

[ARTY_FOX]

13 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Why so, He has a proven pedigree of working and developing young players and has done ok with the England job.

 

He'd cost less than others and would come with no baggage. 

I'll wait until he gets a non descript nobody nothing regional championship side like Derby or cov promoted, with referee assistance in a play off final. Fumbles at every opportunity but keeps them up basically by accident and is sacked 6 months later somehow doing a worse job than he already was doing before I'll accept him as manager. 

Edited 25 November 2024 by ARTY_FOX

[Jobyfox]

9 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Love reading all the various fans/pundits comment on how harsh we’ve been. Definite case of the strength of people’s opinion being inversely proportional to their knowledge on a topic!

The thing is they’re right in a way.

 

We should never have appointed Cooper but, having done so, it’s another strange decision to sack him when we’re still outside the relegation zone and having just lost to Chelsea - who’ll probably finish top four. The logic would be to see it through for a bit longer - unless you’re admitting that signing him was a gross error of judgement by someone and you’re not prepared to back it 
 

An odd decision compounded by another odd decision, but the real error was hiring him in the first place. It’s another silly and expensive, mistake that I’m assuming will be brushed under the carpet like the others made by the hierarchy in recent seasons 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

Imagine if we got rid of Cooper and Rudkin in the same month, hired an actual DoF and Head Coach combo with some common ****ing sense. 

 

What a Christmas present. 

 

Not sure anyone would be able to handle it  

 

Question though, Potter has always said he wants his own DOF, it's obviously not going to be David Weir, Dan Ashworth or Paul Winstanley, so I wonder who he has in mind? 

[moore_94]

I think the players would be very happy with Potter as I expect he would be similar to Enzo, though maybe not quite as in depth, with regards to tactics, player instructions, patterns of play etc. and being clear with how he wants them to play

 

From some of the stuff said it sounds like Cooper was the opposite end of the scale for that kind of thing

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If any of this is true then I can't see how there are itks confident it's Moyes. 

 

Because that reads a lot like Top is disappointed that we departed from his vision which doesn't surprise me. 

 

I don't care how many fans don't like progressive possession football, it's what the owner wants and he's never hidden that. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, AjcW said:

If all of that is true I don't see how Rudkin can stay, so that's positive! I bet we'll give him some sort of even higher up role to keep him busy though. 

 

Ex Manager point is interesting.

 

Sounds like Top is sticking around for a bit, good to see, I did think it was odd his flight back hadn't already been scheduled when he landed on Wednesday as it always is. 

That is one thing I cannot vouch for is how true it all is - it just felt nice being sort of ITK for once and passing it on. Just need to add the  emoji!

[ARTY_FOX]

Just now, Jobyfox said:

The thing is they’re right in a way.

 

We should never have appointed Cooper but, having done so, it’s another strange decision to sack him when we’re still outside the relegation zone and having just lost to Chelsea - who’ll probably finish top four. The logic would be to see it through for a bit longer - unless you’re admitting that signing him was a gross error of judgement by someone and you’re not prepared to back it 
 

An odd decision compounded by another odd decision, but the real error was hiring him in the first place. It’s another silly and expensive, mistake that I’m assuming will be brushed under the carpet like the others made by the hierarchy in recent seasons 

He shouldn't have had the Job in the first place and it's been harsh on us having to watch what he's served up for 12 games imo. He's been lucky. 

[Haywood_6]

I don't think it’ll be Moyes—I just feel that with this group of players, it would be hard to get them to buy into a defensive style and essentially hold us back just to try and survive. They’ll be looking for a manager with a style similar to Enzo's. It wasn’t perfect under him, but the players were fully on board, and there was a sense of togetherness which has been lost under Cooper

 

 

[Clever Fox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

So did Cooper. 

But not with the same level of experience. Carsley was a decent player and an International player.

He won the under 21s European title in his first season and done ok with the Senior appointment.

 

He strikes me as a possible great manager like most of the best managers who never quite reached the top as a player.

 

Ruud could be a risk. Does he come in with the Keane attitude, I'm it and your shit or does he reset himself mentalily in that he has to prove himself all over again.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

That is one thing I cannot vouch for is how true it all is - it just felt nice being sort of ITK for once and passing it on. Just need to add the  emoji!

Prepare yourself for tonnes of abuse when Rudkin signs his new 5 year deal and we get Allardyce in as manager 

[Matt]

37 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

It's evident that the players need someone who listens to them.

Quite the opposite imo.

 

The rumours they were annoyed because they weren’t told what to do - because god forbid asking someone to think for themselves. They’re professional ****ing footballers.

 

Comes across as being needed to be spoon fed to me.

 

Also, and I appreciate these are different players on a whole but arguably are best times to watch us and most connected as a football club we’ve been came under a manager who came across as disciplined and that they’d run through walls for - which bred a siege mentality on and off the field.

 

Edited 25 November 2024 by Matt

[AjcW]

Potter took Kyle McCauley with him to Swansea, Brighton and then Chelsea. He's worked his way up the recruitment ladder and could be one he'd look to have as a DOF. Might still be a bit inexperienced though. 

[Jobyfox]

12 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

If I was going by the decisions made by the hierarchy in recent seasons I would say that this post makes far too much sense to be true.

 

I hope it is - because that would indicate that sanity prevails 

[teblin]

12 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

If there is anything in this could we be looking at one of the other pep disciples?

 

I guess it’s only Ten Haag or xavi who’s really available.

 

If it’s true, and it wouldn’t suprise me. It surely rules out moyes. 
 

Might me coberan and potter are in the mix.

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

But not with the same level of experience. Carsley was a decent player and an International player.

He won the under 21s European title in his first season and done ok with the Senior appointment.

 

He strikes me as a possible great manager like most of the best managers who never quite reached the top as a player.

 

Ruud could be a risk. Does he come in with the Keane attitude, I'm it and your shit or does he reset himself mentalily in that he has to prove himself all over again.

Somewhat debatable

[J. James]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Just spoken to someone who works very closely with the board. (FYI - I am not ITK and never claimed to be - person works on the corporate side with the ownership, not the club and just passing on what they’ve heard). 

 

1. it was all Top’s decision. Chelsea was not a make or break game  - however, Top did attend the game (and arrived earlier due to conversations with a certain player he respects). 
 

2. Top will head up recruitment - he never bought into Cooper and was quite disappointed with the appointment from day 1. This does not sound positive for Rudkin.

 

3. Club has a budget for January - for the first time in years, a representative from the ownership attended a recruitment meeting for the January window - the representative was not impressed with the target list (who presented that list was not clear). 
 

4. Top wants a style and felt the club departed from that. He is also trying to be pragmatic. Top also speaks regularly (post relegation) to a certain ex manager who was very truthful post relegation. That ex manager has fed back his thoughts.
 

5. There is a candidate they want. Not a done deal yet. 
 

Edit: wrote club when I meant board

The thing l find most odd about the timing is if Top was going to do it, why now?

 

The Chelsea performance/ result couldn't have come as a shock, so why not sack him after the united game and before the international break?

 

Could the reason be that the man Top wanted (likely Potter) hadn't agreed at that point but did during or after the break?

 

I'm also guessing the player was Vards and the manager was the big man.. IF the "someone" is correct of course.