EFL punishment?

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Just now, Lionator said:

Transfer embargo might actually be long term beneficial. It’ll make us invest in our coaches and academy products.

Yeah I wouldn't hate it tbf. We'd have a decent core if/when we go down and then we'd be forced to augment it with Nelson/Alves/Braybrooke/Monga etc. A lot of our issues have stemmed from shit recruitment and paying insane wages. 

[Nolucklcfc]

3 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

How many points were Derby deducted? 

Don’t know but that was a while ago. It depends on many factors, I know in the prem they can only go up to 9 

[fox_favourite]

Also factor in...will top sell up when we go down? 

 

If that happens, it changes a lot. I know people don't like the way he's running the club, but if we don't have a buyer and he just doesn't invest, we could be deep poo poo. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a scenario that we've seen a few times. 

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Don’t know but that was a while ago. It depends on many factors, I know in the prem they can only go up to 9 

To get when says they got 21 points, but half of that was administration. I think they will definitely try to push the limits of what they can dish out. It’s why we really have no choice but to stay up. 

[Greg2607]

18 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

-9 if the EFL can punish us, it would be far more significant than that…… 

 

I imagine a transfer embargo from the off, and enough points to relegate us. They want to destroy us, they have done ever since we won the league, and they probably won’t stop until they have…

This is very "tin foil hat" conspiracy as a take. 

[Nolucklcfc]

35 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

To get when says they got 21 points, but half of that was administration. I think they will definitely try to push the limits of what they can dish out. It’s why we really have no choice but to stay up. 

The only silver lining to relegation is the ownership really have no defence. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Reality is they may want to destroy us but there are restrictions and caps as to the punishment they can impose. If we aren’t in administration then they can’t hurt us that much, that it would lead to an inevitable relegation however it could seriously derail our chances of going straight back up. 
 

if we are in the proverbial doo doo then it just casts more shade on the decision makers at the club who thought it was a good idea to hire an absolute duffer in Cooper to undo all the coaching of the last 12 months and spaff £70m on muck like Skipp, Ayew, BDCR and pals, all of which barring Fatawu and Facu have done little to improve the starting XI. 
 

The decision making over the last 4/5 years for the majority of the time has been incompetence of the highest order and whilst each and everyone of them lapped up the successes they also have to accept responsibility for our demise, the collapse and mismanagement is something to truly behold and yet not one of them has paid the price for their ineptitude, our football and non football operations are appalling. 
 

We need a massive clear out and start again, retain a handful of existing squad to provide experience and guidance and build a new squad harnessing the talents of the academy and whilst it may be a long journey ahead, we need to create a new generation, identity and culture. 

[Pita]

If the championship have there way they will hit us very hard 

[murphy]

6 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I think the EFL will have been planning a league case all season in the event we go down. We can’t escape it again. Next season might be a case of trying to survive in the championship with -9 deduction. It’ll be significant. 

Survive?

 

It is scripted.  Title win number 9 despite a 9 point deduction.

 

[Corky]

6 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I think there’s a limit of how many points they can deduct tbf 

There has to be. It depends by how much the breach is. You can't let authorities just go for an individual based on how annoyed they might be.

[AyewJoking]

6 hours ago, Lionator said:

Transfer embargo might actually be long term beneficial. It’ll make us invest in our coaches and academy products.

We are so ****ed

[LCFCJohn]

A transfer embargo is pretty pointless in these situations and actually will force teams to break the financial rules rather than comply. 
 

I have said before but the way to get teams

in line is for outgoings to be replaced by cheaper signings on lower wages. 
 

If the EFL really wanted teams to be sustainable and it isn’t just about punishing, surely they’d encourage this and even oversee teams business and ratify them…

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

There has to be. It depends by how much the breach is. You can't let authorities just go for an individual based on how annoyed they might be.

True but I bet we’ve massively breached 

[coolhandfox]

8 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Given that we successfully argued that we were a Championship club at the end of the 2022/23 season (and thereby beyond the scope of the PL), the EFL could reasonably argue that we fell under their jurisdiction.

We argue was we weren't a PL club at that time, I believe we would also successful argue we hadn't rejoin the EFL at that point.

 

We were in limbo because of how the rules are written.

[moore_94]

We went 2-0 with the EFL last season and made them look like complete mugs

 

The registration embargo meant jack shit because they did it after the January window and it was removed once we returned to the Prem - I have no doubt with how stupid we were making them look we probably would’ve beaten them on that as well if we hadn’t gone up

 

No doubt they would try and step outside of their boundaries again and Nick De Marco would put them in their place again

[Nolucklcfc]

8 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Also factor in...will top sell up when we go down? 

 

If that happens, it changes a lot. I know people don't like the way he's running the club, but if we don't have a buyer and he just doesn't invest, we could be deep poo poo. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a scenario that we've seen a few times. 

I don’t think he would sell but if he did, I think he’d find a buyer quite easily. 

[Chrysalis]

I believe we fell in their permitted losses, otherwise what was the point of selling KDH in that window?  Reducing a breach doesnt prevent a deduction, you either breached or you havent, so selling to reduce a breach is pointless.

[st albans fox]

If we go down then we presumably have the same charade as last time on the accounts - unless the EFL have changed their rules. 
 

we get punished for our previous breaking of the rules which we’ve so far escaped.  Probably around 10 points. Can’t see them being able to justify more than that, could be as low as 6 points.  
and they’ll try and impose a transfer embargo based on expectation that we’ll fail this season and next season. 

[Chrysalis]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If we go down then we presumably have the same charade as last time on the accounts - unless the EFL have changed their rules. 
 

we get punished for our previous breaking of the rules which we’ve so far escaped.  Probably around 10 points. Can’t see them being able to justify more than that, could be as low as 6 points.  
and they’ll try and impose a transfer embargo based on expectation that we’ll fail this season and next season. 

What rules have we previously broken? we never got successfully charged with anything.

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

What rules have we previously broken? we never got successfully charged with anything.

We argued that the PL couldn’t charge us as we were a championship club in that season. We can’t then argue that the efl can’t charge us. 

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

We argued that the PL couldn’t charge us as we were a championship club in that season. We can’t then argue that the efl can’t charge us. 

Yes but what makes you think we broke the financial rules of the championship?  The embargo was done based on emotions and not evidence.

Edited 28 December 2024 by Chrysalis

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

Yes but what makes you think we broke the financial rules of the championship?  The embargo was done based on emotions and not evidence.

We broke them 

if we didn’t break them then why do you think we spent a load of dosh on lawyers to argue we couldn’t be charged ?

[Qwerty]

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

We argued that the PL couldn’t charge us as we were a championship club in that season. We can’t then argue that the efl can’t charge us. 

As others have said, I'm not sure if we said the PL couldn't charge us because we were a Championship club, or if we said the PL couldn't charge us as we weren't a PL club.  It's the difference between being a Championship club and being a "between leagues" club.  If it's the latter, then presumably we can use the same argument with the EFL as we did with the PL.  

 

Also, I was wondering how the passage of time changes things.  PSR is based on the previous 3 years isn't it?  So if we've gone some way towards balancing the books (by not letting Brendan sign anyone in summer 2022, and selling Barnes, Maddison, KDH, Enzo etc since then) , surely our figures will look better. 

[ronnup]

We need to buy players this Jan that will do a job in getting us promoted next year. Ipswich basically did that, we should be as smart

[justfoxes]

EFL Stands for absolute Fuching W⚓️s !!