Leicester at risk of another Premier League PSR charge over latest accounts

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

This!! What happen to football ? Football has become woke 😞 

This overused word has truly lost all meaning 

[Claudio Fannieri]

The rules are crap however lots of other clubs are working within the rules and maintaining success, they have done it with clever recruitment, innovative use of stats and analysis and most importantly a model where they regularly cash in on talent to reinvest and go again, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemrouth, Fulham and now Forest are all enjoying success, they have also been brave with managerial appointments and not been afraid to make a change at the right time. 
 

Much of our issues are self inflicted and PSR has just highlighted them more, our recruitment has been scattergun and lazy at times, we moved a way from a successful model and our managerial changes and appointments have been often been poorly timed and lack continuity of consistency. We have rewarded average players with very high wages and long contracts so too many have have become comfortable to sit on the bench and see out the contracts, we have removed any hunger and desire. The final point is whilst we often brag about our academy the majority of these players tend to only get a chance beyond the age of 21, it’s very rare we give an 18 year old an opportunity, there were glimpses under Enzo last season, but as a whole we seem reluctant to give our academy prospects a genuine pathway to the first team until they have reached a certain age. 
 

For where we are now, we have to be brave, rip it up and start again with a model that focuses on recruiting  young hungry managers and players including our academy prospects, develop a style and way of playing, and then recruit players and managers who are align with that philosophy. We also have to accept we will sell players and like Enzo lose managers to elite clubs but it’s that model that will underpin our success and whilst we will sometimes take a step back it will gove us the chance to take two forward. Rather than this stale way we operate currently where we are regressing with each and every season to a club that offers little or no forward planning, strategy or model. 

Edited 10 January by Claudio Fannieri

[Jon the Hat]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The rules are crap however lots of other clubs are working within the rules and maintaining success, they have done it with clever recruitment, innovative use of stats and analysis and most importantly a model where they regularly cash in on talent to reinvest and go again, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemrouth, Fulham and now Forest are all enjoying success, they have also been brave with managerial appointments and not been afraid to make a change at the right time. 
 

Much of our issues are self inflicted and PSR has just highlighted them more, our recruitment has been scattergun and lazy at times, we moved a way from a successful model and our managerial changes and appointments have been often been poorly timed and lack continuity of consistency. We have rewarded average players with very high wages and long contracts so too many have have become comfortable to sit on the bench and see out the contracts, we have removed any hunger and desire. The final point is whilst we often brag about our academy the majority of these players tend to only get a chance beyond the age of 21, it’s very rare we give an 18 year old an opportunity, there were glimpses under Enzo last season, but as a whole we seem reluctant to give our academy prospects a genuine pathway to the first team until they have reached a certain age. 
 

For where we are now, we have to be brave, rip up and start again with a model that focuses on recruiting  you g hungry managers and players including our academy prospects, develop a style and way of playing, and then recruit players and managers who are align with that philosophy. We also have to accept we will sell players and like Enzo lose managers to elite clubs but it’s that model that will underpin our success and whilst we will sometimes take a step back it will gove us the chance to take two forward. Rather than this stale way we operate currently where we are regressing with each and every season to a club that offers little or no forward planning, strategy or model. 

They haven't sustained it yet though have they?  Wait and see.

[damolcfc]

"We are being punished for trying to break the top 6" headline 🤣🤣

 

That made me chuckle and let out a little wee 😄 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

43 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The rules are crap however lots of other clubs are working within the rules and maintaining success, they have done it with clever recruitment, innovative use of stats and analysis and most importantly a model where they regularly cash in on talent to reinvest and go again, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemrouth, Fulham and now Forest are all enjoying success, they have also been brave with managerial appointments and not been afraid to make a change at the right time. 
 

Much of our issues are self inflicted and PSR has just highlighted them more, our recruitment has been scattergun and lazy at times, we moved a way from a successful model and our managerial changes and appointments have been often been poorly timed and lack continuity of consistency. We have rewarded average players with very high wages and long contracts so too many have have become comfortable to sit on the bench and see out the contracts, we have removed any hunger and desire. The final point is whilst we often brag about our academy the majority of these players tend to only get a chance beyond the age of 21, it’s very rare we give an 18 year old an opportunity, there were glimpses under Enzo last season, but as a whole we seem reluctant to give our academy prospects a genuine pathway to the first team until they have reached a certain age. 
 

For where we are now, we have to be brave, rip up and start again with a model that focuses on recruiting  you g hungry managers and players including our academy prospects, develop a style and way of playing, and then recruit players and managers who are align with that philosophy. We also have to accept we will sell players and like Enzo lose managers to elite clubs but it’s that model that will underpin our success and whilst we will sometimes take a step back it will gove us the chance to take two forward. Rather than this stale way we operate currently where we are regressing with each and every season to a club that offers little or no forward planning, strategy or model. 

Great post and I agree with your suggestion for our strategy going forward.

 

The only point I would challenge is that the clubs mentioned in your first paragraph are doing ok but I don’t see a lot of ambition from them. Their model keeps their head above water but isn’t going to enable them to challenge the elite. In Forests case, they are having an amazing season and have built a great squad. The reality is that both centre backs and MGW will be sold in the next year or two and they will have to work hard to replace them in order to stay challenging. My issue with PSR is that it kicks teams down as they start to move forward. All of those teams mentioned have and will continue to lose their best players in order to meet rules that simply aren’t fair for competition. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

54 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They haven't sustained it yet though have they?  Wait and see.

I agree they haven’t reached the levels we did but Brighton have got into Europe, and continue to challenge whilst the others are up there in the mix this season for top 7 also.
 

What I am saying is we stepped away from our model and as a consequence we hamstrung ourselves and ended up masters of our downfall. 
 

Cold hard facts PSR did not make us offer Hamza a new contract on £60k per week, nor did it force us to offer Danny Ward an extension on £40k per week whilst handing out eye watering wages to Daka and Soumare. 
 

In reality we should have cashed in on Hamza 3/4 seasons ago when it was clear he was never going to be anymore than squad cover, we may have only got £4/5m

at the time but that would have covered year one of Daka or Soumare’s amortised fee, likewise we turned down £4/5m for Iversen from Palace last summer and then loaned him out for next to nothing to Stoke in January, again this would have been entire profit, which massively helps with PSR compliance. 

[Jon the Hat]

16 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I agree they haven’t reached the levels we did but Brighton have got into Europe, and continue to challenge whilst the others are up there in the mix this season for top 7 also.
 

What I am saying is we stepped away from our model and as a consequence we hamstrung ourselves and ended up masters of our downfall. 
 

Cold hard facts PSR did not make us offer Hamza a new contract on £60k per week, nor did it force us to offer Danny Ward an extension on £40k per week whilst handing out eye watering wages to Daka and Soumare. 
 

In reality we should have cashed in on Hamza 3/4 seasons ago when it was clear he was never going to be anymore than squad cover, we may have only got £4/5m

at the time but that would have covered year one of Daka or Soumare’s amortised fee, likewise we turned down £4/5m for Iversen from Palace last summer and then loaned him out for next to nothing to Stoke in January, again this would have been entire profit, which massively helps with PSR compliance. 

They are performing well no doubt. but I think we are a few seasons away from saying they sustained it.  I am sure a number of these clubs have learned from our lesson of not overpaying players though.

[CosbehFox]

Worth mentioning re Brighton they are all but safe this season which gives them their 8th top flight season in a row. That’s a club with a long history of third and fourth tier football. 
 

The longest row in our history was 12 (1950s into 60s)?and the one in recent memory was 9 seasons. They are about to equal in that within the same ‘modern’ football environment. They have sustained their ‘success’. They are already there in comparison to their history. Thankfully we took a bit silver along the way but I think it’s naive to say we have to wait and see with Brighton, they are in situ within the top flight. 

 

[Dahnsouff]

Agree with @Jon the Hat - we are several season ahead of Brighton, etc in terms of the fall out of "success".

 

[coolhandfox]

41 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Worth mentioning re Brighton they are all but safe this season which gives them their 8th top flight season in a row. That’s a club with a long history of third and fourth tier football. 
 

The longest row in our history was 12 (1950s into 60s)?and the one in recent memory was 9 seasons. They are about to equal in that within the same ‘modern’ football environment. They have sustained their ‘success’. They are already there in comparison to their history. Thankfully we took a bit silver along the way but I think it’s naive to say we have to wait and see with Brighton, they are in situ within the top flight. 

 

It's personal opinion but football is about winning trophies, it's the only barometer of success for me.

 

Arsenal hold the record for English club for the most consecutive seasons in the Champions League, does that make them a successful champions League team?

 

In my time as a City fan I've watched them lift the PL title, FA Cup and 2 x league Cups live. 

 

In the same time Brighton have won 0, I wouldn't swap that for breaking our record for consecutive season in the PL.

 

 

 

Edited 10 January by coolhandfox

[Daggers]

Nothing changes until you all stop supporting their ineptitude. 
 

Nothing changes with forum posts, nothing changes with homemade banners, nothing changes with a hurty chant or a little march.
 

Nothing changes until you all stay away and don’t buy/use your tickets. Nothing changes until you snap out of being a good little King Power consumer. 

[Lionator]

43 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They are performing well no doubt. but I think we are a few seasons away from saying they sustained it.  I am sure a number of these clubs have learned from our lesson of not overpaying players though.

I don’t think it’s ever truly sustainable for a 20-30 year period unless you’re a mega club. Brighton are reaching the limits of what’s possible over a medium term period. At some point the gap will close again between the Prem and championship and three established teams will go down aka 2023. 

[funkyrobot]

11 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Nothing changes until you all stop supporting their ineptitude. 
 

Nothing changes with forum posts, nothing changes with homemade banners, nothing changes with a hurty chant or a little march.
 

Nothing changes until you all stay away and don’t buy/use your tickets. Nothing changes until you snap out of being a good little King Power consumer. 

Clever tactic to get a season ticket by influencing the competition to stop going 😉

[Lineker's Left Foot]

28 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Clever tactic to get a season ticket by influencing the competition to stop going 😉

True though.  As advocated in an earlier post, I’ve taken the same stance 

[Mickyblueeyes]

47 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Nothing changes until you all stop supporting their ineptitude. 
 

Nothing changes with forum posts, nothing changes with homemade banners, nothing changes with a hurty chant or a little march.
 

Nothing changes until you all stay away and don’t buy/use your tickets. Nothing changes until you snap out of being a good little King Power consumer. 

I know what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right. However it just isn’t that easy. Grown up men and women have an affiliation and addiction that you can’t just give up. 
 

As much as I want to stay away from this club at the moment as everything about infuriates me, I’m, at the same time looking at tickets for Fulham. It’s an age old question as to why grown adults have such an addiction to a football team they have absolutely no influence over. I’m sure many are the same. 
 

This means, banners, protest chants are imperative. It’s got to be that when our relegation is announced this time and we get a poxy, poor me statement, there’s a second thought as to whether it would be sensible to release. Change is only going to be forced this way I feel.

[Ric Flair]

Those bemoaning the rules thst are hampering us, if the rules were relaxed do you really trust the current setup to rebuild us? The horse has bolted, whilst uts frustrating I'm in some ways glad we aren't able to do what the hell we want. We need a huge shake up from top to bottom.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

It's personal opinion but football is about winning trophies, it's the only barometer of success for me.

 

Arsenal hold the record for English club for the most consecutive seasons in the Champions League, does that make them a successful champions League team?

 

In my time as a City fan I've watched them lift the PL title, FA Cup and 2 x league Cups live. 

 

In the same time Brighton have won 0, I wouldn't swap that for breaking our record for consecutive season in the PL.

 

 

 

Although they won't have to watch their club be an absolute mess off the field, even if they did go down

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

It's personal opinion but football is about winning trophies, it's the only barometer of success for me.

 

Arsenal hold the record for English club for the most consecutive seasons in the Champions League, does that make them a successful champions League team?

 

In my time as a City fan I've watched them lift the PL title, FA Cup and 2 x league Cups live. 

 

In the same time Brighton have won 0, I wouldn't swap that for breaking our record for consecutive season in the PL.

I accept that. But Brighton’s success is never going to be define by trophies because realistically it’s extremely hard to do. We managed the trophies which was amazing.
 

However we are  burying our head in the sand saying ‘ooo yeah Brighton et al need to sustain it’. They are sustaining it in relation to their respective size. Eight years of top flight football is unparalleled to them. That argument isn’t acknowledging who Brighton, Bournemouth are and where they are from. These clubs aren’t expected to have five years plus in the top flight. 
 

The fairer argument for Leicester fans to make is comparing Leeds, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham. Clubs with heavy revenue streams compared to most but can’t sustain success beyond the odd good season 
 

If anything the argument about Brighton is right at the root of the issue in how a lot of Leicester fans view their club, punch up, not down. 
 

 

Edited 10 January by CosbehFox

[Bilo]

18 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I know what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right. However it just isn’t that easy. Grown up men and women have an affiliation and addiction that you can’t just give up. 
 

As much as I want to stay away from this club at the moment as everything about infuriates me, I’m, at the same time looking at tickets for Fulham. It’s an age old question as to why grown adults have such an addiction to a football team they have absolutely no influence over. I’m sure many are the same. 
 

This means, banners, protest chants are imperative. It’s got to be that when our relegation is announced this time and we get a poxy, poor me statement, there’s a second thought as to whether it would be sensible to release. Change is only going to be forced this way I feel.

While I am sympathetic towards those advocating a boycott, we are appallingly managed and the fans seem to be taken for granted, I worry that the narrative that the club would take from it is that it's a result of the club struggling on the pitch rather than a protest against the real issues that have caused those struggles.

[The boy Linacre]

3 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The rules are crap however lots of other clubs are working within the rules and maintaining success, they have done it with clever recruitment, innovative use of stats and analysis and most importantly a model where they regularly cash in on talent to reinvest and go again, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemrouth, Fulham and now Forest are all enjoying success, they have also been brave with managerial appointments and not been afraid to make a change at the right time. 
 

Much of our issues are self inflicted and PSR has just highlighted them more, our recruitment has been scattergun and lazy at times, we moved a way from a successful model and our managerial changes and appointments have been often been poorly timed and lack continuity of consistency. We have rewarded average players with very high wages and long contracts so too many have have become comfortable to sit on the bench and see out the contracts, we have removed any hunger and desire. The final point is whilst we often brag about our academy the majority of these players tend to only get a chance beyond the age of 21, it’s very rare we give an 18 year old an opportunity, there were glimpses under Enzo last season, but as a whole we seem reluctant to give our academy prospects a genuine pathway to the first team until they have reached a certain age. 
 

For where we are now, we have to be brave, rip it up and start again with a model that focuses on recruiting  young hungry managers and players including our academy prospects, develop a style and way of playing, and then recruit players and managers who are align with that philosophy. We also have to accept we will sell players and like Enzo lose managers to elite clubs but it’s that model that will underpin our success and whilst we will sometimes take a step back it will gove us the chance to take two forward. Rather than this stale way we operate currently where we are regressing with each and every season to a club that offers little or no forward planning, strategy or model. 

I would say we set the tone for 5-6 years from 2015 with the sale of Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, Maguire, Fofana et al, but then we gambled when chasing the ECL spot & Rodgers panicked bringing in Bertrand & Vesty when Fofana was injured, when we never needed them AND they weren’t good enough on £60k+ per week.

We were stuck with that, made further repeated poor purchases on high salary and long contracts & we’re stuck with that the season we we went down, where Rodgers had spat the dummy & players like Tielemens were on the way out.

We took those salaries into the championship & the stupidly rewarded mediocre players Hamza, Vesty & Ward with expensive contracts.

Just mistake after mistake post the FA Cup win.They have to change their approach/model it is well broken currently.  They’re chucking good money after bad coz they’re panicking, Skipp & Edouard.

And carrying these leftovers coz of the length on contracts.

[UniFox21]

2 hours ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Great post and I agree with your suggestion for our strategy going forward.

 

The only point I would challenge is that the clubs mentioned in your first paragraph are doing ok but I don’t see a lot of ambition from them. Their model keeps their head above water but isn’t going to enable them to challenge the elite. In Forests case, they are having an amazing season and have built a great squad. The reality is that both centre backs and MGW will be sold in the next year or two and they will have to work hard to replace them in order to stay challenging. My issue with PSR is that it kicks teams down as they start to move forward. All of those teams mentioned have and will continue to lose their best players in order to meet rules that simply aren’t fair for competition. 

This is the big one, the system keeps teams in their "lane". You don't see sustained success.  You aren't able to really break out from where you are.

 

Look at Newcastle the other year, champions league space, then year after struggled hard. Villa this year, Champions league space, struggling in the league. 

[LFEFox23]

7 minutes ago, The boy Linacre said:

I would say we set the tone for 5-6 years from 2015 with the sale of Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, Maguire, Fofana et al, but then we gambled when chasing the ECL spot & Rodgers panicked bringing in Bertrand & Vesty when Fofana was injured, when we never needed them AND they weren’t good enough on £60k+ per week.

We were stuck with that, made further repeated poor purchases on high salary and long contracts & we’re stuck with that the season we we went down, where Rodgers had spat the dummy & players like Tielemens were on the way out.

We took those salaries into the championship & the stupidly rewarded mediocre players Hamza, Vesty & Ward with expensive contracts.

Just mistake after mistake post the FA Cup win.They have to change their approach/model it is well broken currently.  They’re chucking good money after bad coz they’re panicking, Skipp & Edouard.

And carrying these leftovers coz of the length on contracts.

Exactly this, we gambled to try and compete with the BIG 6 and failed due to poor signings that didn't work out - So I would say that's our own fault? 

 

Its all well and good being ambitious (which I admire) but in this business you've GOT TO get it right, or you will end up with egg on your face and feel the consequences for years.

[slymunn]

12 minutes ago, The boy Linacre said:

Rodgers panicked bringing in Bertrand & Vesty when Fofana was injured.

They both signed the season before. We signed Faes the window Fofana left.

[don_danbury]

2 minutes ago, slymunn said:

They both signed the season before. We signed Faes the window Fofana left.

they didnt.

[Ashley]

53 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Those bemoaning the rules thst are hampering us, if the rules were relaxed do you really trust the current setup to rebuild us? The horse has bolted, whilst uts frustrating I'm in some ways glad we aren't able to do what the hell we want. We need a huge shake up from top to bottom.

Adding to this. It'll be the same people who moan when Newcastle, Manchester Coty or Chelsea open the war chest.