A Call for Change: A Footballing Reset at Leicester City Football Club

[dmayne7]

9 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I'm probably going to get pelters for this, but isnt the messages a bit childish?

 

Sure use it to want action and change, all for that bit it seems it could have a more deeper use of it. Like change is over due, or Rudkin, why are you making the same mistakes again?

 

It's not to my taste, lets be honest. 

I'm kind of with you but given it's a moving billboard, it's needs to be something impactful that people remember.

 

The crap bit will be if Rudkin endures all this abuse and he's had limited involvement or oversight in all these messes. But ultimately that will be Top's fault for providing us with 0 transparency as to what Rudkin actually does, and being the coward who hid behind Rudkin as he's left there like a pariah to take all the flak

[fox_favourite]

5 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Probably so but it's gold for the press to report on and hopefully will create more column inches. At least that's my thought process.

 

It might be peacocking a little but hopefully all stakeholders will take notice.

 

It's only the beginning I hope

I suppose I can understand your point from that prospective. I guess it's headline grabbing. 

[fazzyfox]

Like the “Premier Ambitions, Amateur decisions” one, covers a lot of what’s happening in 4 words.

 

As for Ginetta not being sure why people are getting wound up? Does he think appointing and compensating a manager for 4-5 months work without looking at who chose him in the first place an acceptable use of budget. Does he think Eduauard was a sensible use of a loan slot and salary? Does he think it was justifiable to throw such a wedge of our budget at substitute Oliver Skipp? Does he think we really had to offer De-Cordova Reid a 3 year deal to acquire his services.  It was crucial that we got the majority of decisions right. We didn’t. These aren’t external forces, they are internal decisions.

 

 

[Clogger_]

1 minute ago, fleckneymike said:

But put out a message they can report. All this shows is stupid pictures. Present facts. Present ideas. This presents nothing of substance 

No logic here. The van literally points the reader to Project Reset, who have diligently been doing *exactly* what you suggest. At best this sounds like complaining for complaining's sake...

[dmayne7]

4 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

But put out a message they can report. All this shows is stupid pictures. Present facts. Present ideas. This presents nothing of substance 

But how do you do that in a meaningful way on the side of a moving billboard? 

 

I don't disagree with you and maybe Project Reset needs a pre-prepared statement to back up the actions today.

[UniFox21]

12 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I'm probably going to get pelters for this, but isnt the messages a bit childish?

 

Sure use it to want action and change, all for that bit it seems it could have a more deeper use of it. Like change is over due, or Rudkin, why are you making the same mistakes again? The messages could be more constructive. 

 

It's not to my taste, lets be honest. 

Agreed it is a little childish in the way the message is put across.

[fleckneymike]

Just now, Clogger_ said:

No logic here. The van literally points the reader to Project Reset, who have diligently been doing *exactly* what you suggest. At best this sounds like complaining for complaining's sake...

Not at all. Complaining about abusing a person rather than presenting facts. As soon as you attack people and not ideas there’s no real debate. 
 

I agree the club has been chronically mismanaged and a protest about issues is needed. Insulting a man about Valentine’s Day isn’t doing that. 

[Clogger_]

1 minute ago, fleckneymike said:

Not at all. Complaining about abusing a person rather than presenting facts. As soon as you attack people and not ideas there’s no real debate. 
 

I agree the club has been chronically mismanaged and a protest about issues is needed. Insulting a man about Valentine’s Day isn’t doing that. 

Great that you're on board ;-)

[The Doctor]

7 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

I'm kind of with you but given it's a moving billboard, it's needs to be something impactful that people remember.

 

The crap bit will be if Rudkin endures all this abuse and he's had limited involvement or oversight in all these messes. But ultimately that will be Top's fault for providing us with 0 transparency as to what Rudkin actually does, and being the coward who hid behind Rudkin as he's left there like a pariah to take all the flak

true but things like "Premier Ambitions, Amateur Decisions" do that, personal attacks like bet you didn't get a valentine's day card are kind of meaningless to the actual issues the club are facing and are quite childish. I'd personally have just stuck with the Premier Ambitions Amateur Decisions one and project reset circling rather than the rest.

[Benji]

Tricky one, need to balance between impact and goal.  Can’t complain as these guys have gone to time and expense to make a stand so fair play to them.  But I’m not a fan of the Valentine’s Day one - just seems to be implicitly personal about him (not his love life obviously!)  and this should all be about the disastrous management of the club for a number of years.  Not sure how you do that though on the side of a van so again, can’t complain and credit to them.

[Verumex]

12 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I'm probably going to get pelters for this, but isnt the messages a bit childish?

 

Sure use it to want action and change, all for that bit it seems it could have a more deeper use of it. Like change is over due, or Rudkin, why are you making the same mistakes again? The messages could be more constructive. 

 

It's not to my taste, lets be honest. 

Completely agree.

 

Throwing petty attacks around like that is more likely go have the opposite effect, and have the club rally behind Rudkin in defence against the "childish fans attempting to bully a man out of their job".

 

The base image of Rudkin with the red line, and the message Rudkin Out should be more than enough. 

 

If you want to add more, instead of petty, personal remarks, state established facts that have gone wrong at the club that were his responsibility. 

 

"14 seconds late"

 

"X players gone on a free, £xm lost since 201x"

 

I haven't got figures to hand, but all this stuff has been posted in here over the last week. But stuff like that.

 

That van is the perfect way to demonstrate to outside eyes exactly what we are angry about, but like that, it's just going to demonstrate that we're all entitled fans lashing out because our team is a bit bad.

[Clogger_]

Reminder to those who think the message could be delivered better than "perfect is the enemy of good"! What matters is winkling these incompetents out - and this is a great start

[Nods]

7 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

No logic here. The van literally points the reader to Project Reset, who have diligently been doing *exactly* what you suggest. At best this sounds like complaining for complaining's sake...

Speaking as somebody who works in advertising...

 

Only a fraction of people will have the patience to read through a website. 

 

Advertising offers mass reach. It's important the message is communicated succinctly and powerfully without being watered down by personal insults.

 

As someone else mentioned, 'Premier Ambitions, Amateur Decisions', is great. The rest, not so much.

 

It's a missed opportunity, but credit is deserved for mobilising the effort and getting organised.

[Vlad the Fox]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

Good call

 

[fleckneymike]

2 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Reminder to those who think the message could be delivered better than "perfect is the enemy of good"! What matters is winkling these incompetents out - and this is a great start

Is it? If people who actually agree with the protest disagree with message then that’s not a good start. If you can’t appeal to your base then how do you appeal to those outside that?

[Verumex]

Yeah, to add to the positive side the discussion, "Premier Ambitions, Amateur Decisions" is a spectacular line.

 

Simple, puts the message across loud and clear, catchy.

 

Props to whoever chose that. 

Edited 15 February by Verumex
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[dmayne7]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

true but things like "Premier Ambitions, Amateur Decisions" do that, personal attacks like bet you didn't get a valentine's day card are kind of meaningless to the actual issues the club are facing and are quite childish. I'd personally have just stuck with the Premier Ambitions Amateur Decisions one and project reset circling rather than the rest.

Seen all of them now and there's mostly good ones in there so completely agree that I'd have ditched the valentine's thing and the tracksuit.

 

Regardless, fair play and big respect to @ozvaldo for putting his money where his mouth is and actually getting the ball moving. There's enough of a coordinated effort and a clear message that this will have an impact, in the right way (assuming some bellends don't ruin it today)

[Free Falling Foxes]

Not sure if this has been posted? The BBC have been unfair in their comment,

'This protest wants to criticise the club for a lack accountability and transparency, yet the organisers are yet to put their names to it - the irony seemingly lost.'

They make no mention of supporters being banned for voicing their concerns, hence the wish for anonymity.

Edited 15 February by Free Falling Foxes

[KFS]

There’s going to be plenty of old school wallys who think they’re lcfc diehard for disagreeing with this. Same fans who sit on their arse silent all game but will have plenty to say on this. 

[Clogger_]

Just now, fleckneymike said:

Is it? If people who actually agree with the protest disagree with message then that’s not a good start. If you can’t appeal to your base then how do you appeal to those outside that?

For someone who claims to support the protest, you really do write in the manner of a KP fanboy. Cannot please a diverse fanbase, so why try

[RedSoxUK]

Cliff Genetta OUT

[Samilktray]

Our director of football wears a tracksuit hahaha 

[Aus Fox]

The turnout today needs to be big, and big enough that it can’t be ignored. If there’s just a handful, the protests will be easily dismissed and we’re back at square one with no credibility.

If you can get down, make sure you do!

[RowlattsFox]

The only image you're going to see on social media is the valentines day one, which just makes it look silly. 

[Stuntman_Mike]

Premier Ambitions, Amateur Decisions.