Lionator Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 3 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Obviously a potentially life changing event for the victims (although fingers crossed not to the extent it looked like it would be) it's an unusually extreme situation for an apparently "normal" person and to find themselves in, isn't it? I've made myself feel dirty by going on the Daily Mail website, where of course they've been through his social media and spoken to the bloke that services his car etc. Prejudices and all that aside he's being portrayed as the LAST sort of person that would do this - ex forces, ex relatively senior NHS, company director etc etc. It's like one of my lovely Western Park neighbours going off the rails. I notice that there's no charge for driving while unfit through drugs charge which was one of the things he was originally arrested for. I was expecting some thick necked super masculine cokehead, but he doesn't appear to be that. Not really any point speculating what's gone on here but it's all a bit strange The fact it’s GBH probably means we can guess it’s a road rage/panic thing. Clearly running down 80+ people and only getting a GBH charge shows that he had little intent and things escalated. But who knows what actually went on.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 17 minutes ago, Lionator said: The fact it’s GBH probably means we can guess it’s a road rage/panic thing. Clearly running down 80+ people and only getting a GBH charge shows that he had little intent and things escalated. But who knows what actually went on. That would make sense but it's the more serious GBH with intent charge (sentence up to life in prison) he's got. I think I've managed to just about stop short of doing this but I've seen it quite rightly pointed out on social media that this guy is getting a lot more, if not sympathy, but folk actually thinking about what's gone on and why than when it's the sort of person you're expecting it to be
Guest TamworthFoxes Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 With this chap in court today for the Liverpool incident I have been reading a lot on social media. A lot of people are going to be in for a very big disappointment when the trial has been completed and he is handed a sentence. People honestly seem to think will be serving 20 plus years in jail! I hate to be the bearer of bad news for them but speaking from experience of the justice system if he gets 10 years I will be very surprised. Then thrown in the fact Prisoners only serve 40% of a sentence at the minute, (this will be 33% on good behaviour by the time he does his sentence). So in reality if he serves real jail time of much more than 3 years it will be about what I would expect. Then add into the mix he may spend his last 12 months in open conditions.
BKLFox Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 Apparently a former Royal Marine could be PTSD related & given we have our own MH/Depression thread let’s not all just call him out as some whack job who should be locked up for eternity without knowing the full ins & outs.
Clogger_ Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 4 hours ago, BKLFox said: Apparently a former Royal Marine could be PTSD related & given we have our own MH/Depression thread let’s not all just call him out as some whack job who should be locked up for eternity without knowing the full ins & outs. I agree entirely. But you shouldn't worry. He'll get a fair hearing from folks who are otherwise *desperate* to jump to conclusions without evidence. Nobody will target his local area, family, acquaintances - or anyone of a similar background. He'll get due process and this'll be forgotten.
urban.spaceman Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 17 hours ago, bmt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9r40p749o This is one of my favourite ever news articles. What an absolute twat haha 9 hours ago, Nalis said: Agreed he's an arsehole but he has a point with fare dodgers. 1
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 11 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Sack the cooont 1
leicsmac Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0gye0wq8lo The attorney general has said he regrets "clumsy" remarks in which he compared calls for the UK to depart from international law and arguments made in 1930s Germany. In a speech on Thursday, Lord Hermer criticised politicians who argue the UK should abandon "the constraints of international law in favour of raw power". He said similar claims had been made by legal theorists in Germany in the years before the Nazis came to power. [.....] In a speech at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, Lord Hermer said the Labour government wanted to combine a "pragmatic approach to the UK's national interests with a principled commitment to a rules-based international order". He said the approach was "a rejection of the siren song that can sadly now be heard in the Palace of Westminster, and in some spectrums of the media, that Britain abandons the constraints of international law in favour of raw power". Lord Hermer added: "This is not a new song. "The claim that international law is fine as far as it goes, but can be put aside when conditions change, is a claim that was made in the early 1930s by 'realist' jurists in Germany, most notably Carl Schmitt, whose central thesis was in essence the claim that state power is all that counts, not law. "Because of the experience of what followed in 1933, far-sighted individuals rebuilt and transformed the institutions of international law, as well as internal constitutional law." I can see why he felt he had to apologise, but I don't see anything that he referred to there that wasn't true. International law and regulations were put in place, and are there, to stop nationalist governments from carrying out exactly the kind of atrocities that happened eighty years ago and before. The nationalists perhaps don't like that because they are less uneasy about those atrocities happening again. 2
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0gye0wq8lo The attorney general has said he regrets "clumsy" remarks in which he compared calls for the UK to depart from international law and arguments made in 1930s Germany. In a speech on Thursday, Lord Hermer criticised politicians who argue the UK should abandon "the constraints of international law in favour of raw power". He said similar claims had been made by legal theorists in Germany in the years before the Nazis came to power. [.....] In a speech at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, Lord Hermer said the Labour government wanted to combine a "pragmatic approach to the UK's national interests with a principled commitment to a rules-based international order". He said the approach was "a rejection of the siren song that can sadly now be heard in the Palace of Westminster, and in some spectrums of the media, that Britain abandons the constraints of international law in favour of raw power". Lord Hermer added: "This is not a new song. "The claim that international law is fine as far as it goes, but can be put aside when conditions change, is a claim that was made in the early 1930s by 'realist' jurists in Germany, most notably Carl Schmitt, whose central thesis was in essence the claim that state power is all that counts, not law. "Because of the experience of what followed in 1933, far-sighted individuals rebuilt and transformed the institutions of international law, as well as internal constitutional law." I can see why he felt he had to apologise, but I don't see anything that he referred to there that wasn't true. International law and regulations were put in place, and are there, to stop nationalist governments from carrying out exactly the kind of atrocities that happened eighty years ago and before. The nationalists perhaps don't like that because they are less uneasy about those atrocities happening again. Still a stupid comment though.
leicsmac Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Still a stupid comment though. Yeah, comparing pretty much any present day situation to Nazism is going to cause trouble, that's a given. Even if the comparisons are valid. Such are the times we live in. 1
Lionator Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 (edited) 8 hours ago, BKLFox said: Apparently a former Royal Marine could be PTSD related & given we have our own MH/Depression thread let’s not all just call him out as some whack job who should be locked up for eternity without knowing the full ins & outs. Unless there’s evidence he was psychotic, I doubt PTSD would suffice as a defence. If you are panicking, you get out of the car and ask for help, you don’t floor it into mass crowds, Edited 30 May 2025 by Lionator
Md9 Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 He spends more time tweeting and playing golf than he actually does sorting anything. Never known anyone to moan about situations he made worse than himself
FoxesDeb Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 6 minutes ago, Lionator said: Unless there’s evidence he was psychotic, I doubt PTSD would suffice as a defence. If you are panicking, you get out of the car and ask for help, you don’t floor it into mass crowds, I'm not sure getting out of his car would have seemed the sensible decision given the footage I've seen, wasn't his car under attack before he went in to the crowd? Maybe not, I haven't watched it extensively 1
BKLFox Posted 30 May 2025 Posted 30 May 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lionator said: Unless there’s evidence he was psychotic, I doubt PTSD would suffice as a defence. If you are panicking, you get out of the car and ask for help, you don’t floor it into mass crowds, 2 hours ago, FoxesDeb said: I'm not sure getting out of his car would have seemed the sensible decision given the footage I've seen, wasn't his car under attack before he went in to the crowd? Maybe not, I haven't watched it extensively I guess we’d need to understand trigger’s & reactions. Those waking up screaming choking out their partners don’t seem to know what they are doing and certainly don’t stop to ask for help until they come round & episode passes. Debs comment brings a scenario of what if he was in a convoy / lone vehicle that was attacked & surrounded at some point in his career, this could have been a fight or flight trigger 🤷♂️ Obviously all speculation Edited 30 May 2025 by BKLFox 1
Trav Le Bleu Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 13 hours ago, BKLFox said: I guess we’d need to understand trigger’s & reactions. Those waking up screaming choking out their partners don’t seem to know what they are doing and certainly don’t stop to ask for help until they come round & episode passes. Debs comment brings a scenario of what if he was in a convoy / lone vehicle that was attacked & surrounded at some point in his career, this could have been a fight or flight trigger 🤷♂️ Obviously all speculation I get the feeling that PTSD (genuinely or otherwise) will be mentioned in his defence.
FoyleFox Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 A car hitting pedestrians reported in Leicester last night with 4 people hospitalised.
Md9 Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 47 minutes ago, FoyleFox said: A car hitting pedestrians reported in Leicester last night with 4 people hospitalised. 17 year old lad also stabbed in the city centre with potential life changing injuries as well yesterday 😔
leicsmac Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 .... is the current LCFC ownership or the current US administration more dysfunctional? Opening it to the floor.
foxy boxing Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 4 hours ago, FoyleFox said: A car hitting pedestrians reported in Leicester last night with 4 people hospitalised. Why is there always incidents of copycat crimes, whenever you hear about a crime like a car hitting pedestrians days later there is an exact same incident. Are people just morons.
leicsmac Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 4 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: Why is there always incidents of copycat crimes, whenever you hear about a crime like a car hitting pedestrians days later there is an exact same incident. Are people just morons. I think a lot of it comes down to some people having lives so empty that they'll seek fame as a means to fill it, or, if they can't get that, notoriety. People (often the more individualistic kind) often get obsessed with power and "legacy". That can be both good or bad - sadly the latter more than the former.
Jon the Hat Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 23 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: These stories are so dull. His PA made a mistake. It’s not news. Like the stupid stories about rich execs claiming their tube fares. 3
urban.spaceman Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 47 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: These stories are so dull. His PA made a mistake. It’s not news. Like the stupid stories about rich execs claiming their tube fares. Definitely not part of a pattern of hypocritical and dodgy behaviour then. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/30/robert-jenrick-faces-questions-over-funding-as-donor-comes-forward https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53158002 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/31/robert-jenrick-government-car-service-driving-ban 3
Trav Le Bleu Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Definitely not part of a pattern of hypocritical and dodgy behaviour then. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/30/robert-jenrick-faces-questions-over-funding-as-donor-comes-forward https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53158002 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/31/robert-jenrick-government-car-service-driving-ban It's a good thing we don't all have PAs! Can you imagine?! 2
urban.spaceman Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 12 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: It's a good thing we don't all have PAs! Can you imagine?! “It weren’t me it were the shitty PA’s fault” So who hired the shitty PA?! 1
FoyleFox Posted 31 May 2025 Posted 31 May 2025 7 hours ago, foxy boxing said: Why is there always incidents of copycat crimes, whenever you hear about a crime like a car hitting pedestrians days later there is an exact same incident. Are people just morons. Apparently the Leicester incident was a group of people known to each other and a fight had already occurred within the event they were attending. So more of a domestic incident. However, with reference your second point. Yes, they absolutely are. And unfortunately a lot of them about.
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