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When you think what that game was at the City Ground when Knockaert scored last minute, that was effectively a quarter final to get into a semi final. 

 

If they can replicate that game with these games then I don't see an issue.

 

People saying you can be 8th and still go up. Well you can meander around in 10th or 11th until the latter games and get in the play offs so there's not a lot of difference now. 

 

If it was 3 up, 3 down the league would be incredibly boring. 

 

 

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My instinct is that the playoffs are inherently a pretty silly way of deciding who goes up anyway and it's not that much sillier to have the team who finish 8th going up than the team who finish 6th. Maybe it'll prove to be a slippery slope though and you could then make the same argument about it subsequently being expanded from 8th to 10th, then 10th to 12th and so on.

 

Had a look over the last ten seasons to see what sort of impact it would have had because my assumption was that there's never really much, if any, difference in quality between 6th and about 10th - generally the team in 8th have finished four or five points behind 6th. Some outliers in both directions e.g. in 16/17 Norwich were ten points off the playoffs and more than twenty behind the automatics but would have had a chance at going up under the new system, which doesn't feel great. On the other hand in 14/15 and 22/23 there was one point between 6th and 8th.

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Personally think you'll have team who know won't finish in the top 2 just playing weaker team and saving the best for the playoffs and I honestly would blame. Why go all out knowing the team finishing 8th could also go to prem.

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19 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Personally think you'll have team who know won't finish in the top 2 just playing weaker team and saving the best for the playoffs and I honestly would blame. Why go all out knowing the team finishing 8th could also go to prem.

No reason that wouldn't happen now if 3rd and 4th know they're safe. It generally backfires though as you can lose momentum and the winning habit. It's tough to turn that back on.

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2 hours ago, Lionator said:

That play off format is fine provided that you bin off two legs for the semi and ensure that the highest ranked team ALWAYS gets home advantage. If you finish 8th in the league you should not be getting a home play off game at any point even if it’s part of two legs. 

Pretty sure that's in the plans

 

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Clubs finishing third and fourth will progress directly to the semi-final, while a one-legged quarter final will be played with fifth at home to eighth and sixth hosting seventh.

 

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3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

I'd personally bin off all play offs in all leagues in all sports. 

 

Knock out competitions are for cups, not deciding your entire ****ing season. 

 

Infuriates me that you can top the table in rugby and not win the league at all. 

 

Top three should go up in the Championship, end of. **** cheap manufactured drama, give me actual meritocracy. 

 

Imagine working your arse off all year, finishing third in the table out of 24 teams and missing out on Promotion to the 8th place side you finished some 20 odd points ahead of and beat home and away purely because one of your best players happens to be injured for the final or the ref ruins the game with a terrible decision or some other bit of spawny, bullshit luck you couldn't avoid. 

 

You missable prat!!! I Completely disagree, the playoffs are probably the best thing about the championship, ask the teams that get promoted! Be pretty a  dull season if the top 3 are miles clear by March, how about work your arse of a bit more and finish in the top 2 😀😀😀😀

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2 hours ago, filbertway said:

No reason that wouldn't happen now if 3rd and 4th know they're safe. It generally backfires though as you can lose momentum and the winning habit. It's tough to turn that back on.

Isn’t that partly what happened with Sheffield united last season? 

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15 hours ago, Samilktray said:

Your last post was 13th February Tom

I don’t even recall that.

 

It felt like months since much activity anyway.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Finnegan said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g00mr00zdo

 

Imagine finishing 8th in the Championship and getting to the Premier League.

 

Stupid.

 

It's to give the Preston's, QPR's and Swansea's a 'fairer' opportunity grasp to try and attain promotion, when they are unlikely to reach 6th place normally themselves.

 

The game seems to be losing its way daily; Bill Shankly was right.

 

What next: When the ball goes out for a typical throw-in, a free-kick from when it left play will replace it?..

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Dilution to the importance of games and VAR are the main reasons football feels shit now rather than tactics. I think tactics are pretty cyclical and this season does appear to be a particularly drab one but I don't think it's necessarily the future. But loads of meaningless games is an epidemic.

 

If you had the top three go up, which I'd agree is a meritocracy, you would have far more dead rubbers. You would have to cut the size of the league. Birmingham for example now - 12th in the table, 13 points off 3rd, 15 points ahead of 22nd. Their season is as good as over. Playing them would be an advantage.

 

But this is also overkill. 8th potentially going up is absolutely ridiculous. They just can't help but tamper with it can they - it was always getting voted in because it gives more clubs a chance and by extension more of them are going to vote for it, but that doesn't make it right or fair at all. The play-offs work. They're one of the highlights of the season. So naturally they can't help but piss around with it.

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The fairest play-off system I've ever seen by the way is this. They've scrapped it now, but the Italian Serie B you used to qualify for the play-offs or not based on how many points within 2nd place you got. It had a dynamic number of teams in it so one year you could have just two teams, another you could have seven etc... it was quite complex but it's probably the fairest system I've seen.

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The playoff expansion thing isn't an issue, neutrals never give the team winning it a chance the following season anyway so what difference does it make if it's the team finishing third or eighth that makes it?

 

Plus imagine the scenario next season where, say, Forest come down, finish third and after a miracle escape we finish eighth and ruin their season despite finishing 30 points behind them. Worth it for that possibility alone. :ph34r:

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