Man Utd 2-1 LCFC - Post Match Thread

[FoxinNotts]

Thought JJ had a decent game. Garnacho was giving him lots to do in the 2nd half, but I thought he coped quite well tbf

Edited 8 February by FoxinNotts

[Lesta2014]

Up until 60 mins we were okay, then we sat back they equalised and despite them not creating much just knew they would get the winner before full time. All far too predictable. 

[Corky]

11 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

 

Black line roughly his line of sight.

 

3 man u players who are blocking his view from the space behind. Red circle is where a player could be standing that he can't see.

 

Whatever decision he made, he would have been guessing in my opinion.

 

I'm not expecting to win any arguments on this, especially when emotions are fresh, but I'll always try and be reasonable in looking at a situation. 

From set pieces, most attackers stand ahead of defenders then move back as the kick is prepared. There is always a good chance of offside. The defence being that high suggests we are going for offside. The attackers didn't even attempt to go back, they just stood in the same position then carried on.

 

At best, we'd have a player in line with the attacker but in all probability they are in front of the defence. Probably a VAR call with lines etc. If he can't see a blue shirt, sock across that line you would guess it is offside.

 

Genuinely, if linesman cannot give that, we don't need them. Surely they are trained for the "easier" part of the job which is dealing with set piece decisions?

 

But then you have this nonsense where if it occurs in three weeks time it is disallowed. That is just as big an issue. Either we are all in or not.

[fazzyfox]

Linesman seen arriving at ground yesterday

 

[Foxin_Mad]

5 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

Linesman seen arriving at ground yesterday

 

Take it forgot to take those specs off during the game!

[steveherbe]

Been watching the offside goal this morning. Yes, it was offside, BUT..... that goal was totally down to Hermansen. Ball was In the air for 3 seconds, he could have easily come for it and catch it. Any competent keeper would have dealt with that. I think thats his summer transfer to Chelsea down the pan. Suspect Stol would have been out for that, thereby subjecting us to another 30 minutes of torture.

[squidsworth]

4 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

Been watching the offside goal this morning. Yes, it was offside, BUT..... that goal was totally down to Hermansen. Ball was In the air for 3 seconds, he could have easily come for it and catch it. Any competent keeper would have dealt with that. I think thats his summer transfer to Chelsea down the pan. Suspect Stol would have been out for that, thereby subjecting us to another 30 minutes of torture.

You're over thinking it. It wasn't a goal. It was no one's fault. It was offside. By a mile. The officials were corrupt. End of. No other explanation or analysis required. If it wasn't corruption, I'm waiting to hear from them to explain it. Literally one of the worst decisions ever in football, on national TV. They've been exposed.

[AKCJ]

44 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

Been watching the offside goal this morning. Yes, it was offside, BUT..... that goal was totally down to Hermansen. Ball was In the air for 3 seconds, he could have easily come for it and catch it. Any competent keeper would have dealt with that. I think thats his summer transfer to Chelsea down the pan. Suspect Stol would have been out for that, thereby subjecting us to another 30 minutes of torture.

Yep, he did a Schmeichel when a top quality keeper just comes and claims it.

 

Had more than enough time to make the ground up, he just bottled it.

[Hales]

It's perspective isn't it....I watched at work last night with a Newcastle, Liverpool and spurs fan and they all thought we played well and were on top for alot of the game and said after seeing that it's a positive turn around for the rest of the season....

 

Foxestalk....what a load of sh*t!! 🤔

[filbertway]

Anyway, offside or not...Mads...come on lad

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, steveherbe said:

Been watching the offside goal this morning. Yes, it was offside, BUT..... that goal was totally down to Hermansen. Ball was In the air for 3 seconds, he could have easily come for it and catch it. Any competent keeper would have dealt with that. I think thats his summer transfer to Chelsea down the pan. Suspect Stol would have been out for that, thereby subjecting us to another 30 minutes of torture.

So Mads is no longer a 'competent keeper'? Heard it all now.

 

He isn't fully match fit for sure, and i think he made the wrong call but i felt the flight of the ball was a bit unusual and he's made a call that in the end shouldn't have even mattered. 100% on the officials that, not Mads.

[filbertway]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

So Mads is no longer a 'competent keeper'? Heard it all now.

 

He isn't fully match fit for sure, and i think he made the wrong call but i felt the flight of the ball was a bit unusual and he's made a call that in the end shouldn't have even mattered. 100% on the officials that, not Mads.

I think it's his only weakness, it was last season as well. Indecision and a lack of confidence when the balls crossed into the box.

 

Schmeichel had exactly the same problem, the only reason he made so many incredible looking saves on the line was because he refused to come and deal with the ball and cut it out at source.

 

As far as weaknesses go though, they can be easily negated by setting up your defence from set pieces so he's not isolated. 

[filbertway]

10 minutes ago, Hales said:

It's perspective isn't it....I watched at work last night with a Newcastle, Liverpool and spurs fan and they all thought we played well and were on top for alot of the game and said after seeing that it's a positive turn around for the rest of the season....

 

Foxestalk....what a load of sh*t!! 🤔

After us watching United by absolutely honking for 15 minutes we decided to be a bit braver.Still didn't really do anything even with us having the upper hand. Amorim made a few tweaks and before you know it we're under pressure for 30 minutes or so.

[Winstonthedog]

5 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

tbf i dont think either team did

we was far better first half, they was better 2nd

 

 

We were marginally better than a poor utd shambles 

[Number 6]

3 hours ago, steveherbe said:

Been watching the offside goal this morning. Yes, it was offside, BUT..... that goal was totally down to Hermansen. Ball was In the air for 3 seconds, he could have easily come for it and catch it. Any competent keeper would have dealt with that. I think thats his summer transfer to Chelsea down the pan. Suspect Stol would have been out for that, thereby subjecting us to another 30 minutes of torture.

He seems to start from an aggressive position too but just ran straight back to his line once the kick was taken. Don't think he covered himself in glory with the header itself either. Looks like he'll need some time getting back to his best.

[LE3_Fox]

Mads is expecting it to be knocked back across goal I reckon. If that had happened then he's a mug for moving off his line. 

 

End of the day it's an awful officiating decision and we should all be outraged!

[Dmitry]

Hermansen was just about adequate in the last two games,. Certainly not what we came to expect of him. The second goal yesterday was all his. Hopefully he will be back in form for the league matches. 

What is the name of the linesman that forgot to raise the off-side flag? He shouldn’t be participating in the matches of this level. Referees was also piss-poor. 

Edited 8 February by Dmitry

[Verumex]

4 hours ago, Lesta2014 said:

Up until 60 mins we were okay, then we sat back they equalised and despite them not creating much just knew they would get the winner before full time. All far too predictable. 

I wonder what happened at the 60 minute mark that seemed to cause us to revert to our bad form of the last two months while Ndidi has been out...

[l444ry]

4 hours ago, Lesta2014 said:

Up until 60 mins we were okay, then we sat back they equalised and despite them not creating much just knew they would get the winner before full time. All far too predictable. 

Don't think we sat back, rather we got forced back after Wilf's substitution for Winks. We then got the usual Winks/Soumare defensive midfield colander. Either way, we were robbed of extra time by Stevie Wonder on the line.

[Dmitry]

4 hours ago, FoxinNotts said:

Thought JJ had a decent game. Garnacho was giving him lots to do in the 2nd half, but I thought he coped quite well tbf

Garnacho ran circles around him, just because he’s so good; JJ did manage to slow him down just enough for Faes to come for relief. Faes was nowhere near, as usual. 

[Clever Fox]

I think rather than blaming Mads I think we should be asking were was the Defenders.

It should have been obvious that Maguire would be the target with the cross. Yet nobody picked him up.

I'd say it should have been Okoli but in fairness to him he wouldn't be familar with Maguire like our more senior players.

It seems noone took responsibility in organising our defence which is a shame because the deserved the extra time. Aside from the poor decisionby the officials.

 

The turning point was Wilf going off. We lost that defensive shield he gives us.

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, Winstonthedog said:

We were marginally better than a poor utd shambles 

true but compared the costs of the teams, 

im not saying we deserved to win but imo we didnt deserve to lose either

[Chelmofox]

24 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I think rather than blaming Mads I think we should be asking were was the Defenders.

It should have been obvious that Maguire would be the target with the cross. Yet nobody picked him up.

I'd say it should have been Okoli but in fairness to him he wouldn't be familar with Maguire like our more senior players.

It seems noone took responsibility in organising our defence which is a shame because the deserved the extra time. Aside from the poor decisionby the officials.

 

The turning point was Wilf going off. We lost that defensive shield he gives us.

They played the offside trap perfectly. 
 

re Wilf, his legs had gone. I noticed a few mins before he couldn’t track back. 90 mins was always tough for him when fully fit. I wouldnt expect 90 mins from him anytime soon. 

[FLAN]

18 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

I don't understand why we try to play fancy football. Set up defensively solid, hit them on the counter with pace and directness

What pace?

[OnlyOneCity]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

I think it's his only weakness, it was last season as well. Indecision and a lack of confidence when the balls crossed into the box.

 

Schmeichel had exactly the same problem, the only reason he made so many incredible looking saves on the line was because he refused to come and deal with the ball and cut it out at source.

 

As far as weaknesses go though, they can be easily negated by setting up your defence from set pieces so he's not isolated. 

Many years ago I met Gordon Banks. He said that hardest thing for a keeper to master and one which comes with experience, was coming for crosses. Mads was not to blame for the goal, it shouldn’t have mattered he came for the ball or not. Down to the officials for giving the free kick in the first place and then missing a blatant offside. The dubious handball was one of those where when it happens in the box, penalty isn’t given as it’s deemed to be too close for defender to avoid.