Next Manager

[CloudFox]

I'm not completely against Martin being our next manager...but it doesn't seem particularly smart?

 

Purely from an optics point of view, this would mean we have been relegated, and then hire the manager sacked by the only club worse than us, points-wise (although watch this space), this season. That seems like a backwards step unless Martin has made significant improvements while out of work.

[Wink84]

12 hours ago, Iwebema said:

Oh FFS I've watched that and I think hes much less of a douche bag than I did before. Annoying.

 

No idea if Lineaker still has contact here or any influence what so ever, but you can see him recommending him to Top after that.

I watched it too. I thought I want him here now but then found out he was vegan.

[K789]

Id take Martin for defo. Go get him rudders

[TheFiveTime]

this is absurd, Martin not good enough

[Ricey]

All managers talk well in interviews. I would talk well in an interview because it's all hypothetical.

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

He does come across very well in the interview. But then so did Ruud in his interview with G Nev.

 

Speaking well, doesn't mean you are a great manager.

Some of the stuff I'm reading on here this morning defies belief. So the guy can speak well - so what?! It doesn't mean anything.

In recent times we've slagged Top and Rudkin to death for choosing managers on flimsy criteria - yet now people want Martin because he came across well in an interview with Lineker? As you say, RVN came across really well in that interview with Neville - and look how that turned out.

 

Let's also remember that Martin's preferred style of play is a more extreme version of that favoured by Enzo (which so many of our fans hated). Martin is like Enzo's dopey, daydreaming, idealistic younger brother. It has often been (correctly) pointed out that our defence actually wasn't all that great when we won the Championship - yet Southampton conceded 22 goals more than us. They let in 63 goals in 46 games despite having one of the best squads in the division.

 

We're on the verge of being relegated with a horrific defensive record yet people want to replace our manager with somebody who has already proven that he cannot organise a defence to save his life! Ok, so he claims he's 'learned' from his experience at Southampton, but do people really want to take a punt on him because of that? If so, I hope they're never involved in interviewing candidates in their respective workplaces. 

Seriously, anybody who has changed their mind about Martin because of that interview has no business criticising the club's managerial recruitment decisions ever again - they've proven they'd be just a soft-headed as Top and Rudkin. 

Edited 11 April by ClaphamFox

[teblin]

7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Some of the stuff I'm reading on here this morning defies belief. So the guy can speak well - so what?! It doesn't mean anything.

In recent times we've slagged Top and Rudkin to death for choosing managers on flimsy criteria - yet now people want Martin because he came across well in an interview with Lineker? As you say, RVN came across really well in that interview with Neville - and look how that turned out.

 

Let's also remember that Martin's preferred style of play is a more extreme version of that favoured by Enzo (which so many of our fans hated). Martin is like Enzo's dopey, daydreaming, idealistic younger brother. It has often been (correctly) pointed out that our defence actually wasn't all that great when we won the Championship - yet Southampton conceded 22 goals more than us. They let in 63 goals in 46 games despite having one of the best squads in the division.

 

We're on the verge of being relegated with a horrific defensive record yet people want to replace our manager with somebody who has already proven that he cannot organise a defence to save his life! Ok, so he claims he's 'learned' from his experience at Southampton, but do people really want to take a punt on him because of that? If so, I hope they're never involved in interviewing candidates in their respective workplaces. 

Seriously, anybody who has changed their mind about Martin because of that interview has no business criticising the club's managerial recruitment decisions ever again - they've proven they'd be just a soft-headed as Top and Rudkin. 

What worries me if Top/Rudkin will be swayed by a good talker. 

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, teblin said:

What worries me if Top/Rudkin will be swayed by a good talker. 

Wasn't Cooper appointed because he made a good ppt presentation? Likewise RVN is supposed to have 'impressed' them with his chat.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Wasn't Cooper appointed because he made a good ppt presentation? Likewise RVN is supposed to have 'impressed' them with his chat.

Martin has improved every club he’s been at, has a history of developing young players, is free and is banging Lucy pinder.

 
ticks a lot of boxes 

[teblin]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Wasn't Cooper appointed because he made a good ppt presentation? Likewise RVN is supposed to have 'impressed' them with his chat.

Can imagine Enzo was the same.

[DezFox]

Worries it will be Martin. Don’t want it to be. 

[MGLCFC]

5 minutes ago, DezFox said:

Worries it will be Martin. Don’t want it to be. 

He'd do ok in the Championship as his philosophy is the same as Enzo's and as most of the squad from last year's Championship team are still likely to be around, I can see a return to the Enzo style being successful. He came across better than I expected in the Lineker podcast and I think he may well have learnt and gained a better understanding of managing from his experience this year. I'm undecided if it would work out long term.

[whoareyaaa]

Doubt we are that stupid to go for Martin 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Martin is a steaming pile of monkey crap.

 

It would be footballing suicide to appoint him.

[southfox66]

Unless Ruud has clause in contract that we can release him without compensation payment. I can see us keeping him and I can see him staying as the only way we could redeem his career is by getting us back up, if he leaves us at the end of the season, his career is as good as finished he will be looking for a lesser team than us :)

[ClaphamFox]

20 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Martin has improved every club he’s been at, has a history of developing young players, is free and is banging Lucy pinder.

 
ticks a lot of boxes 

Care to explain how he has ‘improved’ Southampton? Because my Southampton-supporting friends certainly don’t see it like that…

[Langston]

I don't want Martin even though he's clearly capable at that level.. Maresca was about as left field as our board likely to go and it felt refreshing when he arrived because it at least showed an iota of outside the box thinking..

[Gamble92]

Confident slimy salesman ora and that's enough for some of you to want him here? 

[Lambert09]

Usually when a club sack a manager that got them promoted and get worse… the fans all wish they stuck with the guy who got them up. 
 

That’s far from the case with Martin 

[Death by Football]

2 hours ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

In the interview he says that if he changed the style it would have sent the wrong message to the players I.e you’re good enough to play like this in the championship but not in the PL.

 

he stated that his squad was weaker in the PL than it was in the championship (some might say the same for us) and that he overthought it too much and tried to adapt his style in certain games without success.

 

Essentially there is nothing wrong with the style, the players just weren’t of a high enough standard. 

I haven't listened to the interview but this probably bothers me more than anything about him (and other similar managers). There's nothing wrong with his style it's just the players aren't good enough. In my view the biggest failing of possession first football is that it requires you to have better players than the opposition to be successful.

[bmt]

24 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Doubt we are that stupid to go for Martin 

This is wild 

[OadbyBlue]

Ruud is a good talker too. He’d also probably come across very well in a 2 hour interview. Remember all the talk about his aura and post match interviews after West Ham and Brighton? 

[Phil Mitchell]

Danny Rohl. Thank you. Phil.

[Foxdiamond]

10 minutes ago, Death by Football said:

I haven't listened to the interview but this probably bothers me more than anything about him (and other similar managers). There's nothing wrong with his style it's just the players aren't good enough. In my view the biggest failing of possession first football is that it requires you to have better players than the opposition to be successful.

Exactly this. The number goals conceded by Soton with players dilly dallying in their own box was comical. Obviously they didn't have the defenders capable of that style when under pressure. Get it up the field to your better players to put the opposition under pressure. To replace a failure like RvN with a bloke fired so recently whose team was getting thrashed is a ridiculous idea. Cast the net a bit further like Palace or Brighton

[surrifox]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Wasn't Cooper appointed because he made a good ppt presentation? Likewise RVN is supposed to have 'impressed' them with his chat.

I think the general consensus was that Cooper got the job because a) Potter didn’t want it and b) he was cheap . I’m actually amazed that they  landed Maresca when they did , that appointment was imaginative and suggested some sort of due diligence , not exactly something the dunces running the club are renowned for