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[Guest Electric Yetis]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Wilder is the biggest Dinousaur out there and he just got Sheff utd promoted

He didn't? 

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, FrankieADZ said:

did he 

same wilder who was god awful with Sheff Utd in the prem and bottled the championship title

 too many drinks.

 

Goodnight 

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Electric Yetis said:

He didn't? 

Almost 

[Lambert09]

43 minutes ago, kingfox said:

The fact is though, the English game has changed since the days of having Nigel Pearson in charge of us. Guardiola’s style has taken off and been replicated, but as I’ve alluded to numerous times on here, if this season is anything to go by, being more fast & direct, while having the tools to do damage on fast breaks and counter attacks is the route to go down nowadays. 
 

I think Dyche’s style still has it’s place, and I think for a newly promoted team, I’d favour his style to lead you to survival over a possession heavy one. But I think the main tweak Dyche would need to make is utilise pace more, if he became manager, I’d hope he’d see Mavididi and Fatawu like he did Maxwel Cornet, and not prioritise Ayew and Reid or sign someone who’s main attribute is crossing but lacks pace. 
 

With Dyche, you expect him to improve our defence and turn us into a hard working and grafting team. 
 

The negative though is of course his old school style, they’ll be fans advocating for it, but my personal preference is the style of high energy counter-pressing. 
 

I’d rather see that long term over a Dyche style continuity plan. 

I think Dyche is smarter than people think and from everything in his history he’s never played a winger like Ayew before. Certainly prefers players like albrighton though at least on one side. In the old Burnley championship days you’d have arfield on one side and the more attacking boyd on  the other. 
 

If I were to guess, you’d end up with Ayew up front as the defensive forward and a more attacking partner. He’s always had an Ings, gray or wood as a goal scorer alongside someone like vokes or Rodrigues (the ayew type) 

 

so I would not be surprised if you ended up with mcateer locking down one side while fatawu took the other. But at the same time, both mavididi and fatawu actually  work hard so no reason Dyche would oppose them, we’d see them cross more which I was think would suit them both. 
 

I think skipp or wilf would be an anchor and you’d have room for a more creative cm, (the sander berge type) maybe Ricardo. 
 

I think it could work. And I think oddly, we do have the right players for it at present because the only casualty I can see is winks and he’s busy sleeping a home anyway  (and the shitty defenders we don’t want) 

Edited 12 June 2025 by Lambert09

[winteriscoming]

11 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Clevery has done nothing, Ruud has actually won the dutch cup and finished second in a similar standard of league, dyche has managed to get promoted twice and stay in the Prem, so no sure what you mean ?

I was making a similarity to the 2 other relegated teams that they’ve got young managers in while we consider keeping a manager who lost 17 of 19 games and did not score in 9 consecutive home games. 
Cleverley did well last season until Watford got a lot of injuries and gave youth a chance. I’d rather we go for young hungry managers who in the past we’ve done well with. Cleverley also only finished 1 point behind Rohls Sheffield Wednesday. 
Dyche got promoted over 10 years ago. Football has moved on a lot since then and you only have to see what Moyes got out of the same players at Everton. Dyche lack of playing young players and going with has beens makes me hope it’s not him. 
Please tell me what you’ve seen in Ruud to suggest he should start next season. 
Because I haven’t seen anything positive. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

I was making a similarity to the 2 other relegated teams that they’ve got young managers in while we consider keeping a manager who lost 17 of 19 games and did not score in 9 consecutive home games. 
Cleverley did well last season until Watford got a lot of injuries and gave youth a chance. I’d rather we go for young hungry managers who in the past we’ve done well with. Cleverley also only finished 1 point behind Rohls Sheffield Wednesday. 
Dyche got promoted over 10 years ago. Football has moved on a lot since then and you only have to see what Moyes got out of the same players at Everton. Dyche lack of playing young players and going with has beens makes me hope it’s not him. 
Please tell me what you’ve seen in Ruud to suggest he should start next season. 
Because I haven’t seen anything positive. 

But he is still in management so he is not out of touch, Moyes made Everton better because he was the staple there not so long ago, obviously he is going to raise standards.

 

Ruud took over a team that was already relegated and had no pre season or players signed along with many injuries throughout his time.

[Ely fox]

9 minutes ago, Electric Yetis said:

He didn't? 

They lost to Sunderland 

[fox_favourite]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

But he is still in management so he is not out of touch, Moyes made Everton better because he was the staple there not so long ago, obviously he is going to raise standards.

 

Ruud took over a team that was already relegated and had no pre season or players signed along with many injuries throughout his time.

Also didn't really have his own full coaching team 

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, fox_favourite said:

Also didn't really have his own full coaching team 

And that

[winteriscoming]

8 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

But he is still in management so he is not out of touch, Moyes made Everton better because he was the staple there not so long ago, obviously he is going to raise standards.

 

Ruud took over a team that was already relegated and had no pre season or players signed along with many injuries throughout his time.

How can a team be already relegated when we were 16th and a point above the relegation zone?
I still maintain a more experienced manager gets us a few more wins and draws in that disastrous run of 17 defeats out of 19 games. Not saying we’d of stopped up but we’d of definitely took it to the last 3 or 4 games of the season. 

Edited 12 June 2025 by winteriscoming

[MPH]

27 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

did he 

same wilder who was god awful with Sheff Utd in the prem and bottled the championship title

both honking and not whats needed

 

he did lead them to 9th in the prem first time around ( after getting them promoted)

[FoxinNotts]

16 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

And that

Ruud is a bad bad manager. I don’t want him here anymore 

[Craig]

It really is amazing/concerning how those two wins in the deadest of dead rubbers have clouded the judgement of some fans. 

 

We were record-breaking bad (on numerous fronts) under Ruud until relegation was confirmed. 

 

It was only at that point he started utilising the younger players - although that may not necessarily be all his fault. 

 

That said, his team selections were abysmal,  his in-game management was non-existent, and his attitude was pathetic for the large majority of his stint here. 

 

He should be nowhere near this club. 

 

 

[FoxinNotts]

9 minutes ago, Craig said:

It really is amazing/concerning how those two wins in the deadest of dead rubbers have clouded the judgement of some fans. 

 

We were record-breaking bad (on numerous fronts) under Ruud until relegation was confirmed. 

 

It was only at that point he started utilising the younger players - although that may not necessarily be all his fault. 

 

That said, his team selections were abysmal,  his in-game management was non-existent, and his attitude was pathetic for the large majority of his stint here. 

 

He should be nowhere near this club. 

 

 

Correct

[kingfox]

37 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I think Dyche is smarter than people think and from everything in his history he’s never played a winger like Ayew before. Certainly prefers players like albrighton though at least on one side. In the old Burnley championship days you’d have arfield on one side and the more attacking boyd on  the other. 
 

If I were to guess, you’d end up with Ayew up front as the defensive forward and a more attacking partner. He’s always had an Ings, gray or wood as a goal scorer alongside someone like vokes or Rodrigues (the ayew type) 

 

so I would not be surprised if you ended up with mcateer locking down one side while fatawu took the other. But at the same time, both mavididi and fatawu actually  work hard so no reason Dyche would oppose them, we’d see them cross more which I was think would suit them both. 
 

I think skipp or wilf would be an anchor and you’d have room for a more creative cm, (the sander berge type) maybe Ricardo. 
 

I think it could work. And I think oddly, we do have the right players for it at present because the only casualty I can see is winks and he’s busy sleeping a home anyway  (and the shitty defenders we don’t want) 

Fans are fearful because we always associate Dyche with certain type of players, when it comes to wingers it’s very easy to think of Dwight McNeil, Robbie Brady, Michael Kightly. When it comes to strikers, it’s very easy to think of target men like Sam Vokes and Ashley Barnes. 
 

Depending on finances, I could see some managers favouring Ayew as more of a striker option, not just Dyche. 
 

It’s very difficult to say how he’d view our wingers. People are just fearful because we don’t associate Dyche that much with pacy players. We’ve seen though with Fatawu especially, he has excellent crossing ability. 
 

Regardless who the manager is we expect changes. Dyche imo already has a solid nucleus in terms of defenders. While a few changes in midfield and the striker positions will inevitably happen, whether it’s Dyche, Rohl or someone else. 
 

Could it work? I certainly wouldn’t rule it out. But the main concern for me is if Dyche did stabilise us, then where on earth would we turn to next. If we moved him on, having a continuity plan of a manager with a similar style, it just doesn’t get the juices flowing. 

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[LVFox]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Wilder is the biggest Dinousaur out there and he just got Sheff utd promoted

I wouldn’t class him as a dinosaur, his Sheff Utd side were pretty inventive in their use of wide centre backs during their Premier League run.

 

Just because he’s northern doesn’t mean he’s backwards.

[fox_favourite]

4 minutes ago, plinchiestincture said:

Woke nonsense 

[FrankieADZ]

4 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Fans are fearful because we always associate Dyche with certain type of players, when it comes to wingers it’s very easy to think of Dwight McNeil, Robbie Brady, Michael Kightly. When it comes to strikers, it’s very easy to think of target men like Sam Vokes and Ashley Barnes. 
 

Depending on finances, I could see some managers favouring Ayew as more of a striker option, not just Dyche. 
 

It’s very difficult to say how he’d view our wingers. People are just fearful because we don’t associate Dyche that much with pacy players. We’ve seen though with Fatawu especially, he has excellent crossing ability. 
 

Regardless who the manager is we expect changes. Dyche imo already has a solid nucleus in terms of defenders. While a few changes in midfield and the striker positions will inevitably happen, whether it’s Dyche, Rohl or someone else. 
 

Could it work? I certainly wouldn’t rule it out. But the main concern for me is if Dyche did stabilise us, then where on earth would we turn to next. If we moved him on, having a continuity plan of a manager with a similar style, it just doesn’t get the juices flowing. 

as @moore_94 said earlier on its like us going from Enzo-Cooper, so going from ruud to Dyche would basically be like going from Enzo to cooper all over again

 

his record with youth players frankly doesnt fill me with much hope at all if Dyche did come

[Lambert09]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Fans are fearful because we always associate Dyche with certain type of players, when it comes to wingers it’s very easy to think of Dwight McNeil, Robbie Brady, Michael Kightly. When it comes to strikers, it’s very easy to think of target men like Sam Vokes and Ashley Barnes. 
 

Depending on finances, I could see some managers favouring Ayew as more of a striker option, not just Dyche. 
 

It’s very difficult to say how he’d view our wingers. People are just fearful because we don’t associate Dyche that much with pacy players. We’ve seen though with Fatawu especially, he has excellent crossing ability. 
 

Regardless who the manager is we expect changes. Dyche imo already has a solid nucleus in terms of defenders. While a few changes in midfield and the striker positions will inevitably happen, whether it’s Dyche, Rohl or someone else. 
 

Could it work? I certainly wouldn’t rule it out. But the main concern for me is if Dyche did stabilise us, then where on earth would we turn to next. If we moved him on, having a continuity plan of a manager with a similar style, it just doesn’t get the juices flowing. 

I think that’s a valid worry and I understand when people prefer another direction. I just have a feeling that if it were to happen, it would be for the best and he would go down as a bit of a cult hero here. 
 

 

[kingfox]

9 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

as @moore_94 said earlier on its like us going from Enzo-Cooper, so going from ruud to Dyche would basically be like going from Enzo to cooper all over again

 

his record with youth players frankly doesnt fill me with much hope at all if Dyche did come

The thing is, many fans have been advocating and would prefer Danny Rohl, with Rohl you also expect a change in style. 
 

Is our squad more suited to a particular style of football? With the changes we expect and are hoping to see this summer, as I said in a post earlier, it’s the perfect opportunity to change course. You’re more than likely going to get a change of course with Danny Rohl, and you’d definitely get one with Dyche. 
 

If they want to stick with the possession route, then even though I see him as a very underwhelming option, I instantly think Michael Carrick. 
 

When it comes to youth, I get the fear when it comes to Dyche, but I had a good debate on that topic a month or so a go. Personally I think he gets unwanted stick when it comes to youth development, it’s a very difficult topic to judge him on. Just scan through the Burnley squads during his era, then you’ll quickly realise why Dwight McNeil was the only one to come through, the talent wasn’t at his disposal, that’s not an excuse, the evidence is there, you’re not going to give a bunch of youth players game time in the Premier League when the majority of them were clearly of League 1 or League 2 standard, some have even ended up in Scotland, Ireland and Australia. 
 

At Everton, I’ve alluded to Harrison Armstrong numerous times. 17 years old and Dyche gave him a chance in the first team because he viewed him as being ready.

 

I get the fear, because Dyche’s record with younger players isn’t as substantial as other potential candidates, but the facts also are, that he’s developed plenty of players that were under the age of 24 when he had them. 

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1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

But he is still in management so he is not out of touch, Moyes made Everton better because he was the staple there not so long ago, obviously he is going to raise standards.

 

Ruud took over a team that was already relegated and had no pre season or players signed along with many injuries throughout his time.

On the contrary, Ruud took over a team who were 16th.  Survival was far from easy with our squad, but it was also far from impossible with a decent manager.

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, kingfox said:

The thing is, many fans have been advocating and would prefer Danny Rohl, with Rohl you also expect a change in style. 
 

Is our squad more suited to a particular style of football? With the changes we expect and are hoping to see this summer, as I said in a post earlier, it’s the perfect opportunity to change course. You’re more than likely going to get a change of course with Danny Rohl, and you’d definitely get one with Dyche. 
 

If they want to stick with the possession route, then even though I see him as a very underwhelming option, I instantly think Michael Carrick. 
 

When it comes to youth, I get the fear when it comes to Dyche, but I had a good debate on that topic a month or so a go. Personally I think he gets unwanted stick when it comes to youth development, it’s a very difficult topic to judge him on. Just scan through the Burnley squads during his era, then you’ll quickly realise why Dwight McNeil was the only one to come through, the talent wasn’t at his disposal, that’s not an excuse, the evidence is there, you’re not going to give a bunch of youth players game time in the Premier League when the majority of them were clearly of League 1 or League 2 standard, some have even ended up in Scotland, Ireland and Australia. 
 

At Everton, I’ve alluded to Harrison Armstrong numerous times. 17 years old and Dyche gave him a chance in the first team because he viewed him as being ready.

 

I get the fear, because Dyche’s record with younger players isn’t as substantial as other potential candidates, but the facts also are, that he’s developed plenty of players that were under the age of 24 when he had them. 

X 2 of the 3 league appearances he gave him were precisely 1 minute each 😂

 

Dyche will smoothly take over that baton from RvN then hahahaa

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, Lambert09 said:

I think Dyche is smarter than people think and from everything in his history he’s never played a winger like Ayew before. Certainly prefers players like albrighton though at least on one side. In the old Burnley championship days you’d have arfield on one side and the more attacking boyd on  the other. 
 

If I were to guess, you’d end up with Ayew up front as the defensive forward and a more attacking partner. He’s always had an Ings, gray or wood as a goal scorer alongside someone like vokes or Rodrigues (the ayew type) 

 

so I would not be surprised if you ended up with mcateer locking down one side while fatawu took the other. But at the same time, both mavididi and fatawu actually  work hard so no reason Dyche would oppose them, we’d see them cross more which I was think would suit them both. 
 

I think skipp or wilf would be an anchor and you’d have room for a more creative cm, (the sander berge type) maybe Ricardo. 
 

I think it could work. And I think oddly, we do have the right players for it at present because the only casualty I can see is winks and he’s busy sleeping a home anyway  (and the shitty defenders we don’t want) 

Everything you've just described: Ayew up front, Mcateer and Fatawu "locking down" the wings, Skipp or Ndidi in midfield just sounds gross.

[kingfox]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

X 2 of the 3 league appearances he gave him were precisely 1 minute each 😂

 

Dyche will smoothly take over that baton from RvN then hahahaa

Can we expect another vid like this when Dyche gives Alves, Monga and Evans 1 minute each in our first pre season friendly?