Enzo - would you have him back?

[kingfox]

42 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

Good god! I couldn’t give a shiny shite what style we play! I just want to see a team win game after game

Different strokes for different folks mate. 
 

100 passes between centre backs and Harry Winks having 100 touches a game isn’t entertaining football imo. 
 

Give me an Iraola, high intensity type any day over a controlled possession type manager. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

This is getting silly now

[OadbyBlue]

Yes. He had the players behind him, wasn’t afraid to call out the board, and based on this season’s evidence had a pretty poor squad playing above themselves. Recruitment strategy also seemed much better under him.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Yeah but mainly for the link between the players and the fans that he helped forge. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Absolutely, yes he had flaws, but in the main he overhauled the culture of the club, promoted younger players, oversaw a decent recruitment strategy, made us more professional, forged a decent rapport with the fanbase and pushed for the highest standards of professionalism across every aspect of the club. Would have him back in a heartbeat, similar to Pearson in the way he raises standards and puts in excellent foundations 

[The Horse's Mouth]

How is yes winning, we’re an infested club 

[The Horse's Mouth]

13 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Absolutely, yes he had flaws, but in the main he overhauled the culture of the club, promoted younger players, oversaw a decent recruitment strategy, made us more professional, forged a decent rapport with the fanbase and pushed for the highest standards of professionalism across every aspect of the club. Would have him back in a heartbeat, similar to Pearson in the way he raises standards and puts in excellent foundations 

What the **** are you actually on about, those foundations have lost 13 out of 14 games, Pearson’s foundations won the league  

[bmt]

If anyone puts no on this they're clueless. Can you correlate it with the will you renew poll?

[bmt]

24 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

How is yes winning, we’re an infested club 

You're mental

[Claudio Fannieri]

29 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

What the **** are you actually on about, those foundations have lost 13 out of 14 games, Pearson’s foundations won the league  

Because Cooper ripped those foundations up you clown 🤡 

[Mickyblueeyes]

Enzo is a young coach who has incredible potential. Are there flaws ? Absolutely, but that is part of the learning. Those flaws probably, with plenty of emotion, annoyed a few, including me last year. But would I have him back ? Absolutely. He raises standards, his brand of football, when it worked was not boring, we played some great stuff last year, Saints home and away, that Watford goal, large parts of dominating games. We also competed more against Chelsea and Bournemouth (and Liverpool!) than we have done all season under him. Albeit, that was alongside the poor, slow stuff. And struggling in big games. 
 

However, I’d give my right arm for a young manager with potential who has a vision and ready to call out the ones upstairs. He could’ve made some significant in roads this season as he had the in after the title win. 
 

Despite seeing Little, O’Neil, Ranieri and even early Rodgers. Pearson is my favourite ever Leicester manager (in my time of supporting the club). I felt safe that the club was in good hands with him (and Shakey and Walsh). I had a similar (albeit less so) feeling with Enzo. I’d kill for that feeling again. 

[dillonpanthers87]

I know this is probably hypothetical, but if Chelsea let him go he will have many better options than us. He's not a loyal or emotional type it seems, and he never had a connection with the fans so it's not like he'd have that pulling him back to us. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

1 hour ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

I know this is probably hypothetical, but if Chelsea let him go he will have many better options than us. He's not a loyal or emotional type it seems, and he never had a connection with the fans so it's not like he'd have that pulling him back to us. 

Precisely why would he want to come here anyway, his trajectory at Leicester is finished, doubt he'd want to come here and if Chelsea sack him as others have said he'll probably go to Spain 

Edited 20 March by CrispinLA in Texas

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

I think we have too much time on our hands!

[inckley fox]

Wow. I'm really surprised that a forum which is fervently calling for change and for the club to stop repeating past mistakes, is also so keen for it to cancel out its latest ****-up by reverting back to one we made eighteen months ago.

 

Several of the players we should aim to shift (Coady, Mavididi, Winks) were at least partly his work, as were a couple of those extended contracts you're all moaning about (Vesty, Hamza). Our failure last year to rebuild the backbone of the side effectively - CBs, CMs, CFs - simply resulted in us having too much to do this time round. And even if we work on the principle that dodgy recruitment isn't necessarily 'on' the manager, or that those players were only brought in for a short-term second tier purpose, which they fulfilled, then surely that would be cause to call for a changed approach now, rather than 'Back to Plan A'.

 

Quite apart from how dull and purposeless it all was, the style of play was never going to be replicable with our calibre of players at a higher level. Their own belief that it was led to the total rejection of Cooper's methods, and the need for someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear a little more. And the fixation with being a Pep-lite footballing side has been going on for many years - it's a hallmark of the Rudkin/Top years and presumably one of the convictions which people would like to see questioned. Especially as football is starting to move away from that, and perhaps back towards the style which we made so famous when we were on the up. Their interpretation of what 'sustainable football' became a major factor in our downfall.

 

As for results, the form in the second half of the season wasn't even promotion level, despite the whole world and his dog thinking that the most expensive ever EFL side would be a shoo-in for promotion. It was predictable even at that level - all designed to push the Enzo brand for a season and keep a chairman happy with the style of football he craved at the only level where it really was sustainable - and is proving predictable once again now. This place was awash with people sensibly wondering whether, with Enzo, we'd bridge the gap after promotion. I find it hard to believe that this bunch of players would be just fine if someone persuaded them to play a tad more like Southampton under Russell Martin. And if we do that again in the second tier then, if we ever do go up, we're going to have to change our style of play with or without Enzo. And that'll be a whole lot tougher if everyone's been sold a dream of a non-negotiable 'idea' of how we should play, which subsequently has to be abandoned.

 

A good number of our current issues come from the short-termism of Enzo's cameo at the club. Yes, well done him for earning that promotion - he does deserve credit for that because it's never easy - but personally I'd like to see real change, new ideas, less short-termism and not for us getting stuck in a vicious circle of back-and-forthing between divisions. At best. Shouldn't the club be opening its mind to a new approach right now? Myself, I would dearly love to see us actually learning from our mistakes instead of the 'That worked once - for a bit - let's just do that again' strategy.

[TrentFox]

Voted yes, despite being bored to tears by his football. He had a vision and the players bought into it and won with it. I’d have to suck it up if he returned. Which he won’t. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

It's a bit like saying would you take the wife back after she has just run away with the milkman 

[hejammy]

Pointless vote but yeah 

[Nods]

6 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Wow. I'm really surprised that a forum which is fervently calling for change and for the club to stop repeating past mistakes, is also so keen for it to cancel out its latest ****-up by reverting back to one we made eighteen months ago.

 

Several of the players we should aim to shift (Coady, Mavididi, Winks) were at least partly his work, as were a couple of those extended contracts you're all moaning about (Vesty, Hamza). Our failure last year to rebuild the backbone of the side effectively - CBs, CMs, CFs - simply resulted in us having too much to do this time round. And even if we work on the principle that dodgy recruitment isn't necessarily 'on' the manager, or that those players were only brought in for a short-term second tier purpose, which they fulfilled, then surely that would be cause to call for a changed approach now, rather than 'Back to Plan A'.

 

Quite apart from how dull and purposeless it all was, the style of play was never going to be replicable with our calibre of players at a higher level. Their own belief that it was led to the total rejection of Cooper's methods, and the need for someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear a little more. And the fixation with being a Pep-lite footballing side has been going on for many years - it's a hallmark of the Rudkin/Top years and presumably one of the convictions which people would like to see questioned. Especially as football is starting to move away from that, and perhaps back towards the style which we made so famous when we were on the up. Their interpretation of what 'sustainable football' became a major factor in our downfall.

 

As for results, the form in the second half of the season wasn't even promotion level, despite the whole world and his dog thinking that the most expensive ever EFL side would be a shoo-in for promotion. It was predictable even at that level - all designed to push the Enzo brand for a season and keep a chairman happy with the style of football he craved at the only level where it really was sustainable - and is proving predictable once again now. This place was awash with people sensibly wondering whether, with Enzo, we'd bridge the gap after promotion. I find it hard to believe that this bunch of players would be just fine if someone persuaded them to play a tad more like Southampton under Russell Martin. And if we do that again in the second tier then, if we ever do go up, we're going to have to change our style of play with or without Enzo. And that'll be a whole lot tougher if everyone's been sold a dream of a non-negotiable 'idea' of how we should play, which subsequently has to be abandoned.

 

A good number of our current issues come from the short-termism of Enzo's cameo at the club. Yes, well done him for earning that promotion - he does deserve credit for that because it's never easy - but personally I'd like to see real change, new ideas, less short-termism and not for us getting stuck in a vicious circle of back-and-forthing between divisions. At best. Shouldn't the club be opening its mind to a new approach right now? Myself, I would dearly love to see us actually learning from our mistakes instead of the 'That worked once - for a bit - let's just do that again' strategy.

You realise managers don't negotiate contracts? Right? And short terminism? It was his lack of pragmatism that was almost his undoing!

 

It was a vastly different approach last season, whether you liked it or not, you won't find many that would disagree that it was different. We had an entirely different formation, full backs as midfielders. There is nothing about what we have done this season that is a reflection of last season, positive or negative.

 

Only City and Liverpool have scored more than Chelsea this season, so as long as we could keep El Khannous and replace N'didi with somebody more effective on the ball, he'd work wonders for us.

 

The football would be less boring, too. It was painful at times last season because you had teams sitting deep with Wilf and KDH tasked with unpicking the lock. Guile isn't exactly Wilf's strong suit, and KDH (while a great player in many other aspects) has the weight of pass of one those t-shirt cannons that were being used last season.

 

Anyway, it's highly unlikely to happen. Just baffling to read some of the opinions in here.

[moore_94]

Was trying to pretty much force those above him to be changed because of how amateur they seemed to him wasn’t he?

 

Just because of that and wanting that change I would get him back

[coolhandfox]

No

[adejo92]

Absolutely not.

 

Almost forgot how painful his football was to watch until the Chelsea game.

 

[Royston.]

Think hes a bit of a fraud but still 100 times better than Cooper and Ruud.

 

Beggars cant be choosers, id take big fat Sam right now

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Nods said:

You realise managers don't negotiate contracts? Right? And short terminism? It was his lack of pragmatism that was almost his undoing!

 

It was a vastly different approach last season, whether you liked it or not, you won't find many that would disagree that it was different. We had an entirely different formation, full backs as midfielders. There is nothing about what we have done this season that is a reflection of last season, positive or negative.

 

Only City and Liverpool have scored more than Chelsea this season, so as long as we could keep El Khannous and replace N'didi with somebody more effective on the ball, he'd work wonders for us.

 

The football would be less boring, too. It was painful at times last season because you had teams sitting deep with Wilf and KDH tasked with unpicking the lock. Guile isn't exactly Wilf's strong suit, and KDH (while a great player in many other aspects) has the weight of pass of one those t-shirt cannons that were being used last season.

 

Anyway, it's highly unlikely to happen. Just baffling to read some of the opinions in here.

Pragmatism and short-termism aren't the same thing. Pearson was often dubbed pragmatic - was he short-termist? Brendan was the absolute opposite. Did he have his eyes on longer term building? And neither did Enzo.

 

Obviously I understand that managers don't negotiate contracts. I'm sure you're also aware that they sometimes insist on them. It's hardly a little-known fact that Enzo looked for an extension for Vestergard, and that's why he got one.

 

And a totally different approach last season? Of course it was! We had to move away from that approach because if we had continued to play in the manner that we did in the second half of last season (which, I repeat, saw us fall well short of promotion form), it would have been no better whatsoever. We'd have been picked apart even more effortlessly if we'd attempted to be a Pep-esque, expansive footballing side. We don't have the players, and were well beyond a transfer window or two off acquiring them.

 

I accept that Enzo has his merits. If he learns to be more flexible, he may even become a very good manager some day. But I don't think these are convincing defences of him at all.

[Dan]

9 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Yes. He would hopefully force a change in these idiots running the club too, something I believe he was in the process of before Chelsea came calling.

I voted on the fence and then remembered this - that tilts me probably to a yes. Though this reason alone is why it wouldn't happen. I didn't understand some of his anecdotes about them when we appointed Van Nistelrooy.

 

To be honest it wasn't enjoyable was it. We could've been a lot more fun. Slow football just doesn't do it for me. I've tried.