Wink84 Posted 3 February Posted 3 February For gods sake I wish they'd just get this over and done with so we can take the punishment and move on. 2
ClaphamFox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wink84 said: For gods sake I wish they'd just get this over and done with so we can take the punishment and move on. On the WYS deadline day special yesterday, OPA said that "all indications are" that the announcement is imminent and that the points deduction will be "substantial", which is consistent with various other reports over the past few weeks. Somebody is clearly feeding this line to the media, but it's not clear who. Has the IC made its decision and informed all parties, which would suggest that somebody at the PL or the club is leaking the outcome to the media? Or has the IC still not announced its decision and somebody at the club or the PL is merely guessing at the outcome and informing the media about that? Either way, the radio silence remains defeaning. Edited 3 February by ClaphamFox 1
Wink84 Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: On the WYS deadline day special yesterday, OPA said that "all indications are" that the announcement is imminent and that the points deduction will be "substantial", which is consistent with various other reports over the past few weeks. Somebody is clearly feeding this line to the media, but it's not clear who. Has the IC have made its decision and informed all parties, which would suggest that somebody at the PL or the club is leaking the outcome to the media? Or has the IC still not announced its decision and somebody at the club or the PL is guessing at the outcome and informing the media about that? Either way, the radio silence remains defeaning. It was meant to be 100% last week and didn't happen. It's just bloody frustrating, put us out of our misery. 1
st albans fox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February We should expect news within days (maybe sooner) now the window has shut a lack of news would mean we are in legal arguments with the authorities
ClaphamFox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 24 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We should expect news within days (maybe sooner) now the window has shut a lack of news would mean we are in legal arguments with the authorities I'm still not convinced the delay has had anything to do with the transfer window. But if that was the reason, we should indeed hear very soon. Otherwise, yes, it's possible that legal discussions/arguments are taking place. Ordinarily I would assume that the verdict would be announced and then we'd launch our appeal, but maybe we're in discussions with the PL over some kind of compromise deduction that we don't appeal. Alternatively, maybe we're robustly challenging one or both of the additional charges because of the wording of the rule book, and the IC is struggling to resolve it? 1
Fox92 Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 23 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Going down to League One this time will be nothing like last time. Last time you had Mandaric as owner and Pearson, Walsh and Shakey as manager/coaches. The idea that relegation to League One will make King Power, Top and Rudkin suddenly change their ways or become football strategy savants needs to get in the bin. They've managed one of the biggest and sharpest declines from the greatest position of strength the club has ever had - why would less money and tighter spending regulations suddenly make us better run as a club? Don't forget we were a basket case under Mandaric. Thankfully he got the Pearson appointment correct otherwise we could have ended up being in that league for too long. If we were to get relegated to League One under King Power I don't trust them to get the appointment correct. Too many big clubs like us end up in the third division longer than they expected.
dmayne7 Posted 3 February Posted 3 February Haven't been giving this much thought but then had a random dream last night that we got docked 40 points today . Brace yourselves. 2
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 58 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: On the WYS deadline day special yesterday, OPA said that "all indications are" that the announcement is imminent and that the points deduction will be "substantial", which is consistent with various other reports over the past few weeks. Somebody is clearly feeding this line to the media, but it's not clear who. Has the IC made its decision and informed all parties, which would suggest that somebody at the PL or the club is leaking the outcome to the media? Or has the IC still not announced its decision and somebody at the club or the PL is merely guessing at the outcome and informing the media about that? Either way, the radio silence remains defeaning. Is it in the clubs interest to leak that they anticipate a substantial points deduction, only for it to be considered not substantial when it is dished out? Perhaps they are trying to spin and manage expectations where they come out as best they can? It sort of also resembles how this was managed the last time this was hanging over us when we’re in the PL and Di Marco stamped it out, but clearly the uncertainty is also impacting on how much of an attractive proposition we are. I take that we’ve signed 3 players - albeit on loan - as a positive. We’ve taken a hacksaw to the wage bill, generated income and have been able (you assume) to spend within agreed parameters. We are all being told to look in one direction (substantial) and I wonder whether it won’t be substantial or even whether there won’t be one at all based on the fundamentals of the PL‘s case.
ClaphamFox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said: Is it in the clubs interest to leak that they anticipate a substantial points deduction, only for it to be considered not substantial when it is dished out? Perhaps they are trying to spin and manage expectations where they come out as best they can? It sort of also resembles how this was managed the last time this was hanging over us when we’re in the PL and Di Marco stamped it out, but clearly the uncertainty is also impacting on how much of an attractive proposition we are. I take that we’ve signed 3 players - albeit on loan - as a positive. We’ve taken a hacksaw to the wage bill, generated income and have been able (you assume) to spend within agreed parameters. We are all being told to look in one direction (substantial) and I wonder whether it won’t be substantial or even whether there won’t be one at all based on the fundamentals of the PL‘s case. Yes, I've also been wondering about this. The guy on BBC Final Score the other week did imply that somebody at the club had told him that we're expecting a 10-point deduction. And yes, it would be very much in the club's interests to create a narrative that we're going to be hit with 10 points and then claim a victory when it turns out to be less. I definitely would not rule this out. 1
Terraloon Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 53 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I'm still not convinced the delay has had anything to do with the transfer window. But if that was the reason, we should indeed hear very soon. Otherwise, yes, it's possible that legal discussions/arguments are taking place. Ordinarily I would assume that the verdict would be announced and then we'd launch our appeal, but maybe we're in discussions with the PL over some kind of compromise deduction that we don't appeal. Alternatively, maybe we're robustly challenging one or both of the additional charges because of the wording of the rule book, and the IC is struggling to resolve it? I am sceptical that the PL would contemplate or are indeed even able to discuss a sanctions agreement at this point. The norm when these type of settlements happen, is they are agreed before any charges reach an IC.Even if the parties agree a settlement they still have to be rubber stamped by an IC The conduct of disciplinary matters once an IC has been formed falls to the panel and unless charges are withdrawn or from some unlikely directions from the panel I doubt is the case here. The first we will hear is when the written reasons are published on the PL website and if I had to guess it’s very very close to reaching that point. My take is that this matter is still very much in the hands of the IC who will have heard all the arguments at the hearing and the parties legal submissions will almost certainly have been fully detailed in their original submissions. I really doubt arguments are continuing. I would expect that when we get sight of the written reasons the IC members will all be either retired judges or serving KCs . If that’s right we aren’t talking about individuals who will struggle with interpreting a set of rules that in the overall scheme of things that will cause them any real issues. 3
ClaphamFox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February 3 minutes ago, Terraloon said: I am sceptical that the PL would contemplate or are indeed even able to discuss a sanctions agreement at this point. The norm when these type of settlements happen, is they are agreed before any charges reach an IC.Even if the parties agree a settlement they still have to be rubber stamped by an IC The conduct of disciplinary matters once an IC has been formed falls to the panel and unless charges are withdrawn or from some unlikely directions from the panel I doubt is the case here. The first we will hear is when the written reasons are published on the PL website and if I had to guess it’s very very close to reaching that point. My take is that this matter is still very much in the hands of the IC who will have heard all the arguments at the hearing and the parties legal submissions will almost certainly have been fully detailed in their original submissions. I really doubt arguments are continuing. I would expect that when we get sight of the written reasons the IC members will all be either retired judges or serving KCs . If that’s right we aren’t talking about individuals who will struggle with interpreting a set of rules that in the overall scheme of things that will cause them any real issues. All good points. Do you have a view on where the reports of a 10-point deduction—which have appeared in various places and are always stated with conviction (as if it's an open secret)—might be coming from? Could the club be leaking stories of a worst case scenario while hoping for a better one?
OntarioFox Posted 3 February Posted 3 February OK sweet, signings are all done now, tell 'em to bring out the lobster
Popular Post Terraloon Posted 3 February Popular Post Posted 3 February 20 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: All good points. Do you have a view on where the reports of a 10-point deduction—which have appeared in various places and are always stated with conviction (as if it's an open secret)—might be coming from? Could the club be leaking stories of a worst case scenario while hoping for a better one? The 10 point thing may of course turn out to be right and my feeling is that many who are suggesting that number are basing it on the first Everton offence. I think we need to ignore anyone who is suggesting they are ITK in terms of what the IC will rule. WHO knows the commission might not even rule in the PL /EFL favour. Without wanting to get further into debates about jurisdiction or how other clubs ( ManCity, Chelsea) aren’t being treated the same I don’t think some really grasp just how deep the do do that LC potentially are in. People need to be mindful that the main charge is under EFL rules and it’s under that jurisdiction that the club is certainly for 25/26 and seems likely for 26/27. The point I am making here is that the EFL process is set out in far more detail which will leave little room for the IC to manoeuvre when it comes to any sanction it just is that once there is a ruling I expect some sort of action by the EFL not so much for 24/25( 50-50in my view) but potentially going forward for 25/26 (T) 26/27 (T+1) and 27/8 (T+2) So back to your question I think if the charge is proven the first question will be is the excess in circa the £30 million my worse case scenario calculations estimate if it is worry. If the two PL charges are proven then worry more if that renders any claim to mitigation a waste of time. But even worse potentially would be a claim that those two “ proven “ charges could be assessed as aggravating factors. Would these two charges normally result in a points deduction? Probably not but for me it depends how this impacts the EFL charge. So my guess entry would be 6-9 points . Without any reduction likely but it’s how LCs non submission of documents and or failure to assist may have compounded matters further. 5 1
lanefox Posted 4 February Posted 4 February On 03/02/2026 at 09:55, Wink84 said: It was meant to be 100% last week and didn't happen. It's just bloody frustrating, put us out of our misery. It's supposed to be 100% happening about every week for the past two months 2
lcfc81 Posted 4 February Posted 4 February The absolute silence has got to mean its a legal reasom surely?
BigGibbo Posted 4 February Posted 4 February It's going to be 9 points which will put is in 22nd, 3 points behind West Brom & Blackburn. Any less and we got lucky again.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 1 hour ago, lanefox said: It's supposed to be 100% happening about every week for the past two months From what I've heard it's suppose to be happening sometime in February. Of course it get's to the 4th of February and the forum is in meltdown as to why it's not happened yet.
ClaphamFox Posted 5 February Posted 5 February 8 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: From what I've heard it's suppose to be happening sometime in February. Of course it get's to the 4th of February and the forum is in meltdown as to why it's not happened yet. The media certainly doesn’t seem to have got the memo about the decision coming ‘sometime in February’—for the past three weeks at least they’ve been reporting it was a matter of days away. They’ve also been very confident in stating that it will be ten points, but it‘s not clear who’s telling them this given the IC comprises (I believe) three senior legal figures who would be highly unlikely to leak their verdict to the media before it is announced.
STUHILL Posted 5 February Posted 5 February You’d think Top would want to hoodwink a new Manager in before dropping further down the table with a points deduction.
teblin Posted 5 February Posted 5 February 10 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: From what I've heard it's suppose to be happening sometime in February. Of course it get's to the 4th of February and the forum is in meltdown as to why it's not happened yet. Marti said it was going to be by the end of Decemeber. So not sure any one knows, the long it goes on it more likely to be the month you are in I guess. It needs to be ASAP, as its not just us it effects it the whole league, bit of a farce in general.
Free Falling Foxes Posted 5 February Posted 5 February (edited) This may have already been asked but this thread is too long now to trawl through. What is the nearest end of season points deduction that's been made so far? With this saga going on for so long, could our lawyers argue something along the lines of this drawn-out process is bordering on a 'Restaint of trade' and/or 'A cruel and unusual punishment'? Dramatic perhaps, but the consequences are we, nor our competitors, know how this will affect our futures and thereby have consequences for decisions already made or about to be made. Lots of possible ramifications I think. Imagine, if come the final whistle at the end of the season, there is some doubt as to final play-off places and/or relegation spots. Edited 5 February by Free Falling Foxes
STUHILL Posted 5 February Posted 5 February I’ve got a feeling it will be 7 points, whether negotiated down from 10, who knows, but be surprised if any less than that. Relegation battle… wippeeee
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 5 February Posted 5 February 1 minute ago, Free Falling Foxes said: This may have already been asked but this thread is too long now to trawl through. What is the nearest end of season points deduction that's been made so far? With this saga going on for so long, could our lawyers argue something along the lines of this drawn-out process is bordering on a 'Restaint of trade' and/or 'A cruel and unusual punishment'? Dramatic perhaps, but the consequences are we, nor our competitors, know how this will affect our futures and thereby have consequences for decisions already made or about to be made. Lots of possible ramifications I think. Imagine, if come the final whistle at the end of the season, there is some doubt as to final play-off places and/or relegation spots. Totally agree - surely there has to be a deadline. The EFL/authorities will have a counter case to argue if they try and dock us a huge number of points late in the season. My gut feeling is that they will not dock us this year, as it shouldn’t impact us much, and will hit us next year.
Spudulike Posted 5 February Posted 5 February Unpopular opinion, cause we all think the club deserve a points deduction and everything that is coming to us, right? Right? but this could be absolutely nothing to do with timings or depth of sanctions. Just as likely the EFL/PL authorities case is just not bearing up to legal scrutiny and it's been kicked into the long grass, just like ManC. Realise this might upset a few but it's another opinion that is just as likely. F'ck 'em. 2
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