General News Thread

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, bovril said:

It's the logical end point of trolling the libs and asserting your rights to say whatever "hurty words" you want without pushback. Congrats to all involved. 

And the logical end point of years of getting to constantly escalate and escalate without pushback, because the appeasing Centrists would always assert “stop using the f-word, he’s not that bad”

Edited 7 April by Sampson

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

And the logical end point of years of getting to constantly escalate and escalate without pushback, because the appeasing Centrists would always assert “stop using the f-word, he’s not that bad”

Mentioned this on the cvnts thread, too. 

 

There were quite a few folks about here going on about overreaction, "he won't be that bad" and "the world didn't end in his first term".

[Md9]

He knows he can’t run again and he probably knows he doesn’t have long left health wise with how awful he looks and sounds all the time, so he will just cause as much chaos for the world like the selfish moron he is 

[bovril]

21 minutes ago, Sampson said:

And the logical end point of years of getting to constantly escalate and escalate without pushback, because the appeasing Centrists would always assert “stop using the f-word, he’s not that bad”

Not sure those people were ever really that centrist 

[Lionator]

36 minutes ago, The Bear said:

The problem with launching a nuke is that the bomb likely has to travel over either Russian or Chinese air-space. Which is extremely problematic and provocative in itself unless all countries are pre-warned about such a strike. 

 

29 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Could use an SSBN rather than a land-launched ICBM, with the aforementioned warning to other nuclear armed parties.

 

But I really don't think it's going to come to that.

They would use a B2 or B52 and use a gravity bomb nuke so they can fly in and back out.
 

Stuff like ground based ICBM’s and SSBN ICBM’s are end of world retaliation tools. 

[Sly]

Still crazy that this is even being discussed. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

 

They would use a B2 or B52 and use a gravity bomb nuke so they can fly in and back out.
 

Stuff like ground based ICBM’s and SSBN ICBM’s are end of world retaliation tools. 

Firing from a SSBN would certainly be playing with armageddon unless the right people were told explicity what, where and how things were going to happen. And even then it would still have some of that risk. 

[Lionator]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Firing from a SSBN would certainly be playing with armageddon unless the right people were told explicity what, where and how things were going to happen. And even then it would still have some of that risk. 

I think military doctrine says you can only fire them as a retaliatory shot, even the most maniacal Trump loving general isn’t signing that off. 

[Lionator]

14 minutes ago, Sly said:

Still crazy that this is even being discussed. 

Still very unlikely but you just don’t know. I feel for all the innocent civilians in Iran that must be terrified right now. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

I think military doctrine says you can only fire them as a retaliatory shot, even the most maniacal Trump loving general isn’t signing that off. 

Speaking personally I've thought for a long time that any directly attributable use of a nuclear weapon in this day and age, no matter the method of delivery, would cross a threshold it is not possible to come back from. 

 

Hopefully we won't have to rely on a "rogue" general or other officer in a launch command centre willing to sacrifice everything to ensure that doesn't happen. 

[Sly]

Just now, Lionator said:

Still very unlikely but you just don’t know. I feel for all the innocent civilians in Iran that must be terrified right now. 

I read earlier that over 1,600 civilians have already been killed due to this conflict. 
 

It must be so scary being on the ground in this sort of situation. Trump is so unpredictable.

Still blows my mind that he went on another rant about needing Greenland the other day.

 

NATO in its current form won’t exist I’d have thought should he do anything stupid crazy. It should however become a United European army.

 

For everything he labels bad about the Iranian regime, he hasn’t stated fights with Russia or North Korea, who have undesirable reputations.  

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Still very unlikely but you just don’t know. I feel for all the innocent civilians in Iran that must be terrified right now. 

 

I hate to say it, but I think that’s the point..

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I hate to say it, but I think that’s the point..

If this is true (and it may well be), then it obviously serves no geopolitical or strategic utility whatsoever. Which only tends to leave motivations based mostly on pure sadism. 

[ramboacdc]

He wont throw a nuke guys. It will either be:

 

1. "Progress made on a deal" just as the markets close for the night in the US or an hour before the deadline and its "im giving them 48 more hours"

 

Or 

 

2. Marines invade Kharg Island. They have been there for a long time ready to go. You dont send troops unless you are going to use them, and they have been sitting on deck for 2 weeks. 

 

He will step up the bombings, will hit a site they claim they werent aiming for (nuclear power plant, world heritage site) and hit the other power infrastructure claiming it is a legit military target, then we will all start Wednesdays fun watching pensions vanish and Diesel hitting 2 quid a litre. 

 

Not the end of days. He wants attention as always. Hes got it.  

 

The worrying thing is he is clearly ill, and getting worse, and no one in the government is doing anything to stop him. The US Constitution is being tested beyond its limit with this. 

[st albans fox]

The problem is that the Iranians are way better poker players than he is

he must be livid that they aren’t capitulating. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

He does realise that you can't liberate people if they're all dead?

[Trav Le Bleu]

31 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I hate to say it, but I think that’s the point..

I wonder who they're more afraid of, their own leaders or Trump? What a terrible position to be in.

[Zear0]

Was out on the golf course, what have I missed?

[The Bear]

45 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Was out on the golf course, what have I missed?

< Donny T enters the chat >

[CornwallFox]

We really need to get away from listening to the American good Vs evil trope that has led us to this place. 

It's always the same thing with them. 

It's pretty clear America is not 'good'. But then neither is Russia. China seems slightly more benevolent at times whilst at the same time having it's own horrors. The UK has a history steeped in bloodshed. There is no good, no black and white, only shades of grey. 

The quicker ordinary people push back on such transparent nonsense the better, but then the general public everywhere isn't the brightest.

Edited 7 April by CornwallFox

[st albans fox]

Pakistan president Sharif has requested a two week ceasefire with the opening of the straits to allow diplomacy to work. Could see trump coming out with a statement that out of respect for his good friend the president of Pakistan, he will accept if Iran does …….

[Nuge]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

"That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Sagan was such a genius with words. 

[WigstonWanderer]

1 minute ago, CornwallFox said:

We really need to get away from listening to the American good Vs evil trope that has led us to this place. 

It's always the same thing with them. 

It's pretty clear America is not 'good'. But then neither is Russia. China seems more benevolent whilst at the same time having it's own horrors. The UK has a history steeped in bloodshed. There is no good, no black and white, only shades of grey. 

The quicker ordinary people push back on such transparent nonsense the better, but then the general public everywhere isn't the brightest.

I find myself re-evaluating the viewpoints I’ve held over my lifetime. The underlying narrative of the West, particularly the US, as basically a force for good/progress even if very flawed.

[Bellend Sebastian]

At least he's getting rid of all that woke stuff

[fox_favourite]

Why hasn't anyone spoken out about his tweet from NATO? Why are they silent when such comments are said baffles me. He's quick to call European countries out...