General News Thread

[when_you're_smiling]

13 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

The BBC News team doing a great job of pursuing the illegal vape shops etc. How on earth did local councils and other authorities allow them to set up in such numbers in the first instance?

It’s got very little to do with councils. They don’t have any power to stop shops opening before they’re open. It’s a capitalist society where anyone can set a business up and landlords there to make money own pretty much all the premises and rent them out to whoever is willing to pay. 

[foxfanazer]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

If I lived in Belfast, I’d be a lot more afraid that my life was in danger from violence in the streets, setting houses and cars etc in fire than from an immigrant in the streets to be fair. Just saying like….

For balance 

 

*An immigrant in the streets trying to behead someone 

Edited Thursday at 07:46 by foxfanazer

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

*An immigrant in the streets trying to behead someone 

The point still stands in terms of overall risk, which is a point a lot of people appear to be missing giving both the coverage and anger-inducing nature of the incident. Which is understandable in its own way. 

 

Dead is dead, harmed is harmed. 

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The point still stands in terms of overall risk, which is a point a lot of people appear to be missing giving both the coverage and anger-inducing nature of the incident. Which is understandable in its own way. 

 

Dead is dead, harmed is harmed. 

What's that supposed to mean? He's only not dead because somebody was brave enough to stop him. The intent was to kill

 

I'm not saying that what's happened since is in anyway justified or less of a threat to society but the post I quoted seemed conveniently unbalanced 

Edited Thursday at 07:50 by foxfanazer

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

What's that supposed to mean? He's only not dead because somebody was brave enough to stop him. The intent was to kill

 

I'm not saying that what's happened since is in anyway justified or less of a threat to society but the post I quoted seemed conveniently unbalanced 

I mean that this crime is apparently being viewed as more grotesque than various other assaults resulting in grievous injury because of the way it was carried out, and, dare I say it, the demographic of the perpetrator.

 

People are, of course, welcome to hold that viewpoint. 

 

A further point is that all these inflamed tensions and driven anger is just going to result in a lot more innocent people being harmed for no reason at all - before cooler heads prevail, as they should do from the start. 

[foxfanazer]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I mean that this crime is apparently being viewed as more grotesque than various other assaults resulting in grievous injury because of the way it was carried out, and, dare I say it, the demographic of the perpetrator.

 

People are, of course, welcome to hold that viewpoint. 

 

A further point is that all these inflamed tensions and driven anger is just going to result in a lot more innocent people being harmed for no reason at all - before cooler heads prevail, as they should do from the start. 

Totally agree. I live in Norfolk where there feels like very little tension but whenever I go to a city you can almost feel it in the air. Hopefully the powers that be can get it under control before it completely boils over

Edited Thursday at 08:06 by foxfanazer

[Jon the Hat]

20 hours ago, bovril said:

Nah UK is more boned than Republic of Ireland. They have one of the lowest NEET rates in Europe, ours is now second worse after Romania. There are anti immigrant riots seemingly every summer here now, will only increase I'm sure. 

 

Stop paying them benefits for minor mental health issues which apparently stop them working.

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said:

It’s got very little to do with councils. They don’t have any power to stop shops opening before they’re open. It’s a capitalist society where anyone can set a business up and landlords there to make money own pretty much all the premises and rent them out to whoever is willing to pay. 

Fair enough. Obviously the landlords are partially responsible and the law makers need to cotton on pronto

[Rubbersoul]

7 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Totally agree. I live in Norfolk where there feels like very little tension but whenever I go to a city you can almost feel it in the air. Hopefully the powers that be can get it under control before it completely boils over

I feel lucky to also live in Norfolk where it does feel like for the most part everyone still gets along, no matter you’re background 

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Rubbersoul said:

I feel lucky to also live in Norfolk where it does feel like for the most part everyone still gets along, no matter you’re background 

The difference when I go back to Leicester to visit family is crazy. 2 hours down the road as well

[st albans fox]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Stop paying them benefits for minor mental health issues which apparently stop them working.

Some veracity in this 

but if the system offers you support then why not take it 

removing the support will mean those who really need it won’t get it 

 

surely most of the benefit system works this way. A percentage will always exploit it - it’s human nature.

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Some veracity in this 

but if the system offers you support then why not take it 

removing the support will mean those who really need it won’t get it 

 

surely most of the benefit system works this way. A percentage will always exploit it - it’s human nature.

There are millions more post Covid though, actual millions.  The tap needs to be turned way down.

[Jon the Hat]

17 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

I feel lucky to also live in Norfolk where it does feel like for the most part everyone still gets along, no matter you’re background 

Which is interesting given there is a high number of migrant workers in the agricultural sector.  Goes to show it is easier to dislike the concept of migration than actual migrants, who funny enough are just normal people trying to earn and living and have a better life.

[LCFCJohn]

44 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

For balance 

 

*An immigrant in the streets trying to behead someone 

The point was of overall risk as Mac said below your reply.

 

That was not to take away from the crime and for me, the perpetrator of the initial crime could be dumped over the side of a boat in the Atlantic for all I care. 
 

The point was, the response to these, what are isolated incidents regardless of yes, the extreme severity, is more widely negatively impacting upon communities. These people claim to be standing up for ‘whites’ but white people in Belfast have had their houses burned down. Innocent people of a different colour, on their way to work in the hospitals and contribute to our society are getting attacked and intimidated. 
 

It’s not the answer. Tackle the smuggling gangs. The justice system should be tougher for all (yes even the lovely little white teenagers who take knives to school), the benefit system should be more stringent, again for all.

 

Sort that stuff out, as a country, we will naturally be appealing for those who come for the right reasons and contribute to society and less so for those who don’t want to contribute or have good intentions.

 

All this lumping everyone who has a different colour skin with the individuals who are wastes of oxygen like this one in Belfast, Southport attacker, Nottingham etc isn’t actually achieving anything.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, LCFCJohn said:

The point was of overall risk as Mac said below your reply.

 

That was not to take away from the crime and for me, the perpetrator of the initial crime could be dumped over the side of a boat in the Atlantic for all I care. 
 

The point was, the response to these, what are isolated incidents regardless of yes, the extreme severity, is more widely negatively impacting upon communities. These people claim to be standing up for ‘whites’ but white people in Belfast have had their houses burned down. Innocent people of a different colour, on their way to work in the hospitals and contribute to our society are getting attacked and intimidated. 
 

It’s not the answer. Tackle the smuggling gangs. The justice system should be tougher for all (yes even the lovely little white teenagers who take knives to school), the benefit system should be more stringent, again for all.

 

Sort that stuff out, as a country, we will naturally be appealing for those who come for the right reasons and contribute to society and less so for those who don’t want to contribute or have good intentions.

 

All this lumping everyone who has a different colour skin with the individuals who are wastes of oxygen like this one in Belfast, Southport attacker, Nottingham etc isn’t actually achieving anything.

Couldn't agree more

[BKLFox]

2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

As I've said previously, there's far more white on white or black on black crime, but that's so commonplace it's not newsworthy.

Is it really common place?

I’d also say of the type of crime we are referring to the majority of white on white or black on black are known to each other personally & will happen behind closed doors with breakdown of relationships the main cause or via gang affiliation & whilst they do happen on the streets they are not random attacks (& whilst life is life if you live by the sword….. etc, hence why we the general public will look at 1 of those incidents differently to the shocking open, random & crazed attacks we are seeing in our streets & shopping centres.

 

We then have to look at the %s in how often is this happening within what is a minority group.
It’s like having 500 orange balls, 500 blue balls & 50 green balls you would expect to draw an orange or blue ball and just shy of 5% of picking a green ball yet it’s more than 5% of green balls being picked out (numbers used to make the/a point) & that is why they are causing more concern.

 

It’s not “morally” wrong to be afraid of this and call it out.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

The point was of overall risk as Mac said below your reply.

 

That was not to take away from the crime and for me, the perpetrator of the initial crime could be dumped over the side of a boat in the Atlantic for all I care. 
 

The point was, the response to these, what are isolated incidents regardless of yes, the extreme severity, is more widely negatively impacting upon communities. These people claim to be standing up for ‘whites’ but white people in Belfast have had their houses burned down. Innocent people of a different colour, on their way to work in the hospitals and contribute to our society are getting attacked and intimidated. 
 

It’s not the answer. Tackle the smuggling gangs. The justice system should be tougher for all (yes even the lovely little white teenagers who take knives to school), the benefit system should be more stringent, again for all.

 

Sort that stuff out, as a country, we will naturally be appealing for those who come for the right reasons and contribute to society and less so for those who don’t want to contribute or have good intentions.

 

All this lumping everyone who has a different colour skin with the individuals who are wastes of oxygen like this one in Belfast, Southport attacker, Nottingham etc isn’t actually achieving anything.

 

58 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Couldn't agree more

And this is what cooler heads prevailing looks like. Bravo. 

 

If only there was more of that out in the wider world right now. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

48 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Is it really common place?

I’d also say of the type of crime we are referring to the majority of white on white or black on black are known to each other personally & will happen behind closed doors with breakdown of relationships the main cause or via gang affiliation & whilst they do happen on the streets they are not random attacks (& whilst life is life if you live by the sword….. etc, hence why we the general public will look at 1 of those incidents differently to the shocking open, random & crazed attacks we are seeing in our streets & shopping centres.

 

We then have to look at the %s in how often is this happening within what is a minority group.
It’s like having 500 orange balls, 500 blue balls & 50 green balls you would expect to draw an orange or blue ball and just shy of 5% of picking a green ball yet it’s more than 5% of green balls being picked out (numbers used to make the/a point) & that is why they are causing more concern.

 

It’s not “morally” wrong to be afraid of this and call it out.

It's not wrong to call it out. What is wrong is to racialise it.

 

To use your own analogy, with only 50 green balls around, it's much more likely that the green ball will attack an orange or blue ball.

[Likely Fox]

Pussycat policing 

[Foxdiamond]

Defence Minister John Healey has resigned. Seems government is not doing what is anything like necessary upgrade to defence.

[Innovindil]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgqeg09p3p1t

 

Another one bites the dust. 

[Zear0]

Good old fashioned principled resignation. Well done John

[kenny]

42 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Defence Minister John Healey has resigned. Seems government is not doing what is anything like necessary upgrade to defence.

Another one of the good guys.

[Raj]

Sad resignation from a guy who obviously cares about what job he's supposed to be doing but isnt being backed/ supported.

Starmer needs to take note of whats going on.

We know what happens when a manager loses the dressing room and this is beginning to look like that

[leicsmac]

Sounds like a principled resignation from a principled man. 

 

It seems that pretty much every government area (other than the subsidy for the bar in the HoP) is strapped for cash right now. Goodness only knows how that gets solved without a struggle.