Louis Page signs Pro Deal

[LCFCJohn]

28 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So it's a "fact" that we didn't win against Oxford, Cov and West Brom because we dropped Page? 

 

Please quantify that.

I don’t think Ric was saying that was the reason, just observing it was a fact that we won back to back games he was involved in and haven’t since. 
 

It would at least suggest it did us no harm having him involved. I also think Ric is bang on in saying if it’s had been the other way, and we had won a couple and then stopped, people would be quick to blame it on a young player like Page being involved.

[Dahnsouff]

11 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t think Ric was saying that was the reason, just observing it was a fact that we won back to back games he was involved in and haven’t since. 
 

It would at least suggest it did us no harm having him involved. I also think Ric is bang on in saying if it’s had been the other way, and we had won a couple and then stopped, people would be quick to blame it on a young player like Page being involved.

I think you are wrong and this type of would be circumstantial claim is made to act as evidence in an argument/point of view, as it clearly has little value in isolation.

[LCFCJohn]

24 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I think you are wrong and this type of would be circumstantial claim is made to act as evidence in an argument/point of view, as it clearly has little value in isolation.

Care to explain how there is something wrong with the fact we won 2 games in a row Page started and have drawn 3 out of 3 since he has not been? Specially what is factually incorrect about it?

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, LCFCJohn said:

Care to explain how there is something wrong with the fact we won 2 games in a row Page started and have drawn 3 out of 3 since he has not been? Specially what is factually incorrect about it?

It’s the drawing of a correlation between the two events that the problem.

[South Shire Fox]

Has looked absolutley miles off being a first team ready player whenever ive seen him this season for us.. which is no surprise whatsoever considering his age. Dont get the meltdown at all

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

It’s the drawing of a correlation between the two events that the problem.

I am playing devils advocate here.

 

I have been on record saying I don’t think we should necessarily start Page or Monga. I think Monga is best served coming off the bench currently, although Page should be able to have a place on the bench. That is disappointing. The only one I feel strongly about is Nelson for reasons discussed to death. 
 

But it is tiresome hearing constantly how we need experience blah blah blah, can’t play the youngsters etc.

 

Nobody is saying Page was the reason we won those games nor that his subsequent being out the squad is the reason for having not won in 3. 
 

Even if that is circumstantial, there’s enough evidence to draw there that having 16 and 17 year olds in the side wasn’t hindering us. We looked bright and positive. 
 

To reiterate, I am not a ‘play the kids’ nut. I think there is a balance to be had. And looking objectively, I think that balance is slightly off in favour of the experience. Not hugely but just a Page missing off the bench and Nelson out in the cold. 

[honeybradger]

7 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Has looked absolutley miles off being a first team ready player whenever ive seen him this season for us.. which is no surprise whatsoever considering his age. Dont get the meltdown at all

Let's see how Cordova Reid performs at this level.

 

If he's no better then what's the point of playing him over a player who is going to learn and develop from the gametime and improve over the season.

 

It feels like we're expecting Page to be one of our best players when all he has to do is be as good or better than our worst player in his position to justify involvement.

[beepee1984]

He is only 17 and after starting 2 games injured his hamstring on international duty.

 

Although a minor injury he hasn't been risked in the 1st team since, but now played 60 minutes for the under 21s and under 23s twice, so hopefully on the mend. But the U23 game was only yesterday so hopefully he is showing some fitness and can be back in the squad at the weekend

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

I am playing devils advocate here.

 

I have been on record saying I don’t think we should necessarily start Page or Monga. I think Monga is best served coming off the bench currently, although Page should be able to have a place on the bench. That is disappointing. The only one I feel strongly about is Nelson for reasons discussed to death. 
 

But it is tiresome hearing constantly how we need experience blah blah blah, can’t play the youngsters etc.

 

Nobody is saying Page was the reason we won those games nor that his subsequent being out the squad is the reason for having not won in 3. 
 

Even if that is circumstantial, there’s enough evidence to draw there that having 16 and 17 year olds in the side wasn’t hindering us. We looked bright and positive. 
 

To reiterate, I am not a ‘play the kids’ nut. I think there is a balance to be had. And looking objectively, I think that balance is slightly off in favour of the experience. Not hugely but just a Page missing off the bench and Nelson out in the cold. 

I wholeheartedly agree with that, and I can often seem to pro-senior where I actually am not, the youth team is exciting and unquestionably the future.

Just maintain that senior’s have plenty to offer and experience of matchdays is helpful to youth, so even then I say that from the perspective that it benefits the youth!

 

Disappointed  today not see further youth at least on the bench, but aware it was chosen to play many in the u21’s, which is another debatable selection.

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I wholeheartedly agree with that, and I can often seem to pro-senior where I actually am not, the youth team is exciting and unquestionably the future.

Just maintain that senior’s have plenty to offer and experience of matchdays is helpful to youth, so even then I say that from the perspective that it benefits the youth!

 

Disappointed  today not see further youth at least on the bench, but aware it was chosen to play many in the u21’s, which is another debatable selection.

Fair. I have said before, when you have 9 subs, a couple of them should be academic players under a certain age (I.e not a Hamza or Thomas). And I don’t mean just us, I think that should have been a condition of the 9 subs rule when it came in. And perhaps a step further, the 5th sub to come on to be one of those that fits that criteria. That way if the game is tight and the manager doesn’t feel it is the right move, they aren’t obligated to use said kids. It feels that would have been a good think to encourage more changes for youth players generally.

 

As we say, just getting that balance right. Everything seems very short term thinking but it’d just be refreshing to see a consideration for the future as well.

[lcfc sheff]

I'd be more patient with Page, he's got loads of development to do as we have seen when he played; u21 games won't be too bad for him whilst he trains with the first team.

[South Shire Fox]

18 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Let's see how Cordova Reid performs at this level.

 

If he's no better then what's the point of playing him over a player who is going to learn and develop from the gametime and improve over the season.

 

It feels like we're expecting Page to be one of our best players when all he has to do is be as good or better than our worst player in his position to justify involvement.

Theres not been a single moment this season where ive thought ‘we need to get Louis Page on here for us to score a goal’. And i dont rate Bobby Reid at all but id say hes a lot more first team ready at this current time

[SafewayFox]

8 hours ago, James_lcfc said:

I get the desire to promote youth and start relying more on the academy, but the clamoring for Page is a little strange.

 

I watched him closely in the games he played and his first touch was really poor and he pretty much always played safe. Even his assist was a bad pass to Fatawu.

 

He just looked nowhere near ready yet, which is fine considering he's not long turned 17. You just need a bit of patience with some players whilst others are ready earlier.

Whilst I agree about his first touch and being safe with his passes.

 

We haven’t had another player who played in the 10 look half as mobile/able to offer a press.

[sdb]

Interesting reading people's perceptions of players and games. I thought Page looked very brave in terms of wanting the ball in advanced positions. His touch was off a couple of times and he was physically weaker than opponents. Obviously. But he clearly had some very impressive attributes for his age. I'd say if you thought he was poor, you don't fully understand the game tbh.

[lgfualol]

We’ve made him look a right nob, signs a contract then gets left out the squad for a pensioner

[dmayne7]

Don't think he looked anywhere near it physically earlier in the season but you can see a massive change in just a few months (which is likely to happen at his age). Looked way more up to the pace of the game, stronger and didn't stop pressing when he was on the pitch. Already had high hopes for him but looks like his all-round game has a lot more maturity already

[Claudio Fannieri]

Just now, dmayne7 said:

Don't think he looked anywhere near it physically earlier in the season but you can see a massive change in just a few months (which is likely to happen at his age). Looked way more up to the pace of the game, stronger and didn't stop pressing when he was on the pitch. Already had high hopes for him but looks like his all-round game has a lot more maturity already

I also thought he looked to be more progressive and forward thinking with his passing. 

[dmayne7]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I also thought he looked to be more progressive and forward thinking with his passing. 

That's what I meant with my last sentence (badly articulated). Definitely had a little more about him today.

[The Doctor]

played very well. quite happy to rotate him and Bobby Reid

[Rubbersoul]

His passing looked more progressive today. He was definitely braver 

[Dr Marco]

8 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

played very well. quite happy to rotate him and Bobby Sixkiller

 

[Blue-fox]

Looks a bit stronger, which was his major flaw. If he can bulk up he will be a good player

[coolhandfox]

Did fine, he's learning the game still, like Monga these minutes are priceless.

[Long Eaton Fox]

Yes developing well in a short period of time. Think we will see this with Monga too.  Explosive start but now getting to grow into the reality of championship football.

[Bert]

Enjoy the way he can glide past players.