LCFC 1-1 Portsmouth - Post Match Thread

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

Anything we get for him is profit though. And anything we get is better than losing him for free in 2027. We have lost too many for free like the summer Tielemans and Soyuncu left. They were very good players who should have fitted the sell on method previously used but ended up walking for free. 
 

At least Nelson didn’t cost us anything but the same principle applies. It wouldn’t surprise me if a PL side didn’t see this as an opportunity to strike cheaply, bring him in and loan him elsewhere in the Championship for the second half of the season. It’d be good business sense.

It's not good business to turn down offers for him and then 6 months later accept what you'd imagine would be lower offers

[foxinsocks]

Note to marti:  patson daka is not the answer to any question 

[LCFCJohn]

1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

selling Nelson again, the club do not want to sell him, i think they rejected approaches in the summer.

and saying " we have to" no we dont, 

pretty sure you said the same thing before about selling Nelson and frankly its one of the dumbest ideas ive read, why would we sell one of BEST assets, im pretty sure hes had an injury or something, its not been fully disclosed i suspect

 

the club are looking to get rid of HIGH EARNERS, and Nelson is not one of them

 

Because a depreciating asset becomes less and less valuable. And whilst he is nowhere near first team football and his contract is ticking down, until either or both of those things change, he is a depreciating asset. It’s business.

 

True about the wages. But it depends who we can shift. If we can’t and need to strengthen, we might not have a choice. It is both about funds to strengthen and creating squad places as well as the wages issue. If we can’t shift the high earners, we still need to create funds and squad places.

[FrankieADZ]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

Because a depreciating asset becomes less and less valuable. And whilst he is nowhere near first team football and his contract is ticking down, until either or both of those things change, he is a depreciating asset. It’s business.

 

True about the wages. But it depends who we can shift. If we can’t and need to strengthen, we might not have a choice. It is both about funds to strengthen and creating squad places as well as the wages issue. If we can’t shift the high earners, we still need to create funds and squad places.

yeah but its like anything with a young player, you have to wait your time, and as I said, im pretty sure hes have a knock/injury or something that hasnt been told,

the club will not sell one of its best assets for peanuts, as a player Nelson is miles better than McAteer and im pretty sure the other week you said £5mil for Nelson, when hes worth way more than that

you do know right we might not be able to strengthen anyway, as I said the club are trying to get their house in order in getting rid of the high earners etc and getting rid of the likes of Nelson to then replacement them with someone else whos probably on higher wages and then paying a fee for them as well is so massively counter productive, 

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

It's not good business to turn down offers for him and then 6 months later accept what you'd imagine would be lower offers

And how many years is it since good business applies to us? I’m not saying what you describe is good business. I’m just saying we can’t keep losing assets for free.

 

If he signed a new contract and was put in the starting line up, it’d be different. Still be the problem of our supporter not giving him a chance mind but business wise we’d be covered. 
 

Honestly, it is also the case I want to see him leave cheaply and go on to smash it elsewhere to really expose the club leadership for what they are. But I’m not sure it would even do that.

[whoareyaaa]

Not great second half second time Faes has let a player run past him leading to a goal Thomas as well. No idea why we dropped Okoli or don’t try Nelson in there, Kristensen is hardly much better than Thomas and we look toothless up top.

[LCFCJohn]

1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

yeah but its like anything with a young player, you have to wait your time, and as I said, im pretty sure hes have a knock/injury or something that hasnt been told,

the club will not sell one of its best assets for peanuts, as a player Nelson is miles better than McAteer and im pretty sure the other week you said £5mil for Nelson, when hes worth way more than that

you do know right we might not be able to strengthen anyway, as I said the club are trying to get their house in order in getting rid of the high earners etc and getting rid of the likes of Nelson to then replacement them with someone else whos probably on higher wages and then paying a fee for them as well is so massively counter productive, 

That figure was chucked in out of frustration although I do believe the principle of the point I am making here without putting any figures on. How long did McAteer have on his contract though? That’s the sticking point with Nelson.

 

See my post above, there’s also a big element of me wanting us to lose him on the cheap, him to do really well and for it to expose the club ‘leadership’ for what they are. Losing Nelson cheaply seems like acceptable collateral to accept if that happens.

[Horibbly Wrong]

Problem is we let a goal in 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Once this purge is over we'll have about 10k fans left. And it won't be those that thought they would survive it that will be left

[FrankieADZ]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

That figure was chucked in out of frustration although I do believe the principle of the point I am making here without putting any figures on. How long did McAteer have on his contract though? That’s the sticking point with Nelson.

 

See my post above, there’s also a big element of me wanting us to lose him on the cheap, him to do really well and for it to expose the club ‘leadership’ for what they are. Losing Nelson cheaply seems like acceptable collateral to accept if that happens.

so basically cut off our nose to spite our face? probably about a year longer than Nelson id a thought. also a week is a long time in football, 

also its around 20 months till july 27 

as I said, the club do not want to sell him, they could have done this summer if they wanted too, looking longer term the club see Nelson as captain material. i think even MC does too, 

and saying about Souttar too, the guy will not even be fully fit by Jan i dont think, hes more likely to leave compared to Nelson

just get the idea of us selling Nelson and cheap out of your mind cos it wont happen

 

i think your making a mouth out of a molehill in regards Nelson

[Fox on the Rox]

9 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

It's not good business to turn down offers for him and then 6 months later accept what you'd imagine would be lower offers

I imagine Rudkin turned down offers because the thought, like the rest of us, that he was going to play, smash it and become a £30M + asset.

 

Marti has scuppered that and left Rudkin in a bind. I bet he's praying for a crisis at CB more than anyone. 

 

If Nelson doesn't get in, and he probably won't, Rudkin is left in a difficult position. Of his own making of course. At what point does he accept he ballsed up, cut his losses and sell? 

 

The sensible option would be January or at least the summer. He will probably take a gamble though and hold on, which will either pay off massively if Nelson gets in and does the business, or mean he goes on a free and we're at the mercy of a tribunal for compensation. 

 

Meanwhile, there's a talented young man having his career stiffled. How's he feeling about the club now do you think? If he's any ambition he'll be pushing for a move away soon as possible.

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

so basically cut off our nose to spite our face? probably about a year longer than Nelson id a thought. also a week is a long time in football, 

also its around 20 months till july 27 

as I said, the club do not want to sell him, they could have done this summer if they wanted too, looking longer term the club see Nelson as captain material. i think even MC does too, 

and saying about Souttar too, the guy will not even be fully fit by Jan i dont think, hes more likely to leave compared to Nelson

just get the idea of us selling Nelson and cheap out of your mind cos it wont happen

 

i think your making a mouth out of a molehill in regards Nelson

You know Nelson has a say in his future too? 
 

And you call it nose of to spite our faces. I call it short term pain for long term benefit of exposing Aiyawatt and Rudkin.

 

And of course Souttar isn’t more likely to move. He’ll barely be back involved after a year out. Who is going to sign him? Compared to a young player with a high ceiling who hasn’t long on his contract left. Like it or not, Nelson’s situation is ripe for a PL side to take advantage of. Even if he is on board with this (lack of) development plan, if a Palace, Bournemouth or Brighton came in and gave him a loan and half a season of football in the Championship with the view to integrating him into their side the next season (Palace for example will be losing Guehi in the summer), take your blue tinted specs off, that is a much more appealing route for a young player looking at their career.

[Reg Vardy]

10 minutes ago, Horibbly Wrong said:

Problem is we let a goal in 

Said it before we simply don’t have a player who will score 15 goals, so concede 1 generally is a draw at best, concede 2 it’s a defeat…..to add a bit of positivity, we know we can play like we did first half, so at least that is something to build on…..first time I have seen Ricci struggle for pace, or why we took JJ off…..second half was bossed by their number 7, at no stage did we get on him to stop it…..

[dannythefox]

Identical to the Wrexham game apart from we battered these first half. Wonder what Ben Nelson thinks, concede every game and can’t get a sniff with these two donkeys at the back. 

[HUNTA84]

I thought we played well in parts in the first half, some nice moves, quick passing that broke their lines, but once again failed to make our dominance pay. Most of our play came down the right hand side so monga had a bit of an off night and didn't really have much chance to get involved.  Teams know if they keep us to a 1-0 scoreline, there will always be an opportunity as we have an absolute bomb scare defence. We should have been out of sight by half time. 

[demon_dog]

Who said footballs a game of two halves, well he never watched this one!

It was all in the same cookin half!

Thought that come the second half we'd see loads of action at the Kop end, how mistaken was I . Should have charged everyone that end half price as you could only see half the game!

[gazzaa2]

12 hours ago, sdb said:

That second half was a war crime. No leaders, no commitment, no focus, no conviction, certainly no goals and to be honest, no ideas. 

 

Do we think we're too good for this league? Because results suggest we're meeting our match every week.

 

I'll be up all night seeing over hit crosses in the dark.

 

We just rely on individual quality to score great goals rather than actually play well as a team.

[trugerkem]

Every player was poor last night yet Carranza still managed to look like a competition winner 

[UniFox21]

Reported DCR tweaked his hamstring, irony is I didn't notice a change to his game 

[Ricey]

2 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Yes I would definitely be putting a few of the young lads on the bench 

I don’t know, it’s easier said than done. Page, for example, looked way out of his depth earlier in the season.

 

I would have been bedding in Nelson right from pre-season though.

[tickler28]

Anyone getting the feeling that things are only gonna get worse from here. As much as we love slagging off the current squad of players imagine when we're lumbered with a squad full of average Championship fodder and are on a par squad wise as everyone else in the division 

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, Fratton said:

The problem with this lot is in the comments, thinking they simply have to turn up to beat the likes of Wrexham and Pompey, Thing is as a relegated prem team other teams show Leicester too much respect, in reality Pompey and others realised that Leicester simply 'aint' very good and with a bit more belief can turn them over. On another note where was the home support?, like the second half team half hearted.  Remember you are in the Championship now, no god given rights here, you are going to have to learn to suck it up and play real football, 

Mate, the championship is anything but real football. It’s ****ing garbage. 
 

I’m fully aware of where we are, and the fact we’re drawing to a team as poor as you is just a horrific indictment of how far we’ve fallen as a club. 
 

90% of your play second half was cynical foul’s shirt pulling and time wasting, and us self imploding again as usual making mistakes to toss points away. Yes I’m bitter, because whilst the likes of Brighton are competing in the premier league being lauded for achieving nothing, we’re scratching about dropping points to the likes of you. 

[TheStig]

13 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I think we're aiming for play-offs, that's where we're at, we are nowhere near the quality of the maresca team. Ndidi, Vardy, JJ, very good players we're missing, and the teams we played back then didnt seem half as comptetive. I hope we can dip into the transfer market in Jan, i have a feeling that Carranza deal was a waste of time 

I don´t think we are aiming for anything. We are just ambling along with very little purpose or "fire". The thinking seems to be "we are superior" and will get 3 points by just turning up. Mentality is woeful.

[splinterdream]

12 minutes ago, TheStig said:

I don´t think we are aiming for anything. We are just ambling along with very little purpose or "fire". The thinking seems to be "we are superior" and will get 3 points by just turning up. Mentality is woeful.

i don't mean thats the target of the club, thats where i think we're likely heading at best

[steveb]

I refuse to be too negative but boy did the second half stink.

I like Ramsey and James, i think they will be big positives for us.

Nice to see Winks playing propperly again, great in the first half.

Fatawu is a final ball away from being excellent.

Pereira and Monga, both class acts had their poorest games for us

So Ayew is a big strong lad, ideal to hang around the box using his strength so why the fuk does he take the corners, its not like he can take corners, big mystery to me.

Still desperate for a striker, a few goals should be enough to finish in the top 2 in this very poor league, will it be Carranza ? doesn`t look like it so far. Sure won`t be Daka..