Club Statement

[OntarioFox]

The cynical side of me thinks they wouldn't have made this statement if we'd lost that game. I imagine they expected a bunch of white knights to come rushing to their defense in the comments on social media.

 

No bother, even looking at the fallout from this it looks like they'd have been better off saying nothing. The KPFC voice is sounding quieter with each passing week, and long may it continue.

[BrilliantFox]

25 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I think chants about wanting him dead or whatever they were is a bit OTT

Yes its OTT, but people put more effort in condemning these chants rather than adressing the crux of it all.

 

Chants like these dont appear out of thin air.

 

The club and its happy clappers should ask themselves why are the fans chanting this? Apply some critical thinking and work backwards to find the problem.

[Tommy G]

Just now, BrilliantFox said:

Yes its OTT, but people put more effort in condemning these chants rather than adressing the crux of it all.

 

Chants like these dont appear out of thin air.

 

The club and its happy clappers should ask themselves why are the fans chanting this? Apply some critical thinking and work backwards to find the problem.

I think we know the crux of it all. Top & Rudkin unpopular = fan unrest and OTT chants, it's not rocket science. 

 

You can separate understanding the reasons why, doesn't mean that kind of stuff is OK. Apply some critical thinking to that point.

[RedSoxUK]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Yes his son hasn’t. I think he plays off +3 so he’s not far off pro 

Oh that's alright then!

[Tommy G]

Just now, RedSoxUK said:

Oh that's alright then!

I was making the point all he does is play golf, and he's good. Nothing about it being ok or anything. Weird take!

[BrilliantFox]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

You can separate understanding the reasons why, doesn't mean that kind of stuff is OK. 

The club only made mention of the chants in isolation, completely failing to mention context and the last 5 years that have built up to this.

 

The statement is a red herring that distracts from the root cause of why.

[Nods]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I think we know the crux of it all. Top & Rudkin unpopular = fan unrest and OTT chants, it's not rocket science. 

 

You can separate understanding the reasons why, doesn't mean that kind of stuff is OK. Apply some critical thinking to that point.

Do you think when Pearson told a fan to 'FOAD' that he actually wanted the fan in question to perish?

[Robo61]

2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

Doesn't sound like working with dedication and integrity every day!

You do know that its his son that plays golf everyday and not Rudkin,  and he is very dedicated to his golf getting his handicap down to +4 despite having only taken up the game about 4/5 years ago.  I expect he will turn pro when he has finished his studies.  

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said:

The club only made mention of the chants in isolation, completely failing to mention context and the last 5 years that have built up to this.

 

The statement is a red herring that distracts from the root cause of why.

Yeh but we all know the communication has been terrible from the club for years now...I agree. The club aren't going to put out a statement and say;

 

''Rudkin chants are terrible but don't worry we will do better I promise xx''

 

Doesn't detract from my point which you didn't quote - which offered balance in saying I agree the board are inept, and we should be protesting against this in the right way, but calling out for someone to die in the context of a football club is moronic tbh. 

[Bert]

17 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Yeh but we all know the communication has been terrible from the club for years now...I agree. The club aren't going to put out a statement and say;

 

''Rudkin chants are terrible but don't worry we will do better I promise xx''

 

Doesn't detract from my point which you didn't quote - which offered balance in saying I agree the board are inept, and we should be protesting against this in the right way, but calling out for someone to die in the context of a football club is moronic tbh. 

You’re right in what you’re saying here and I’m sure you’re also clever enough to know that this has pissed a lot of people off because of how bad communication has been in recent years.

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

You’re right in what you’re saying here and I’m sure you’re also clever enough to know that this has pissed a lot of people off because of how bad communication has been in recent years.

Finally, thanks.

[iancognito]

This will end up very much along the lines of when Top put out that statement a couple of seasons back about being the subject of abuse after all him and his family have put in to the club. It will be used to generate some sympathy and the toxicity will continue as anyone wanting KP out is met by stick from KPFC footsoldiers.

 

Rather than just engaging with fans and giving people an indication about the direction of the club, it ends up making the situation worse.

[StanSP]

46 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

The club only made mention of the chants in isolation, completely failing to mention context and the last 5 years that have built up to this.

 

The statement is a red herring that distracts from the root cause of why.

It's only a red herring if you treat it as one. 

 

Thankfully I'd like to think majority of fans know things have been shit because of the shit people running the club. The statement doesn't detract from that? 

[AKCJ]

We used to be a proper club where the manager would tell fans to die

[BrummieFOX]

7 minutes ago, StanSP said:

It's only a red herring if you treat it as one. 

 

Thankfully I'd like to think majority of fans know things have been shit because of the shit people running the club. The statement doesn't detract from that? 

Perhaps I'm looking for something that isn't there, but you could argue the club have jumped on this and released this statement, because it might paint a negative picture of anyone who is showing negativty towards the club?

[john ridley]

2 down against  Stoke and I imagine they'll  be more ,if you don't like the heat Top and Rudkin  then **** off .

[Phil Mitchell]

[Bert]

7 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We used to be a proper club where the manager would tell fans to die

Not just die. “Fook off and die” 

[OntarioFox]

Only a matter of time before FOAD stickers start popping up around the city 

[fleckneymike]

The accusation of pearl clutching towards people who object to chants hoping for the death of Jon Rudkin is odd considering the most hyperbolic responses are from those who believe it’s ok to chant about the desire for Rudkin’s death because it’s only football or because it generated a response from the club that further enraged them. 
 

I’d hope that anyone who faces verbal threats at work would have the full support of their employer in saying it’s unacceptable. I’d hope anyone who has had verbal threats to life at work would also receive the full support of their employer in sayings it’s unacceptable. We’d all surely expect our employer to check on our wellbeing and not tell us ‘it’s only words’, or ‘you probably deserved it’ when faced with abuse at work.  
 

[Jobyfox]

Everything has already been said in this thread that I would have added - but my eyes keep getting drawn back to it. 
 

The words “Club Statement” are just so rare. The article headline wouldn’t be any more compelling if it read: “ Unequivocal evidence of rocking horse sh1t found on the moon”

 

Here lies the problem. 
 

They don’t like offensive and personal chanting. I don’t either and the vast majority of the fanbase wouldn’t. But these things exist in a vacuum. The absence of any proactive communication creates this and that’s why this latest intervention is just completely tone deaf to the concerns of the fans 

[BKLFox]

Only seems like a few weeks ago that the general comments thread was inundated with comments agreeing with people being sent to prison for  inciting harm toward individuals & chanting of divisive, racist or hate-related bile 🤷‍♂️ 

[An Away Move]

Haven’t heard the chant, but the club statement really would have benefitted by acknowledging legitimate concerns for fan anger. As it does not it comes across as gas lighting, provocative and therefore unhelpful. 

[Babylon]

Saw the statement and thought to myself, well it couldn't have been that bad. Oh how I was wrong.

How any single person can even begin to do anything but slate those involved in singing that I don't know. It's a game of football, you might not like people are the club, you might not like their decisions, but bloody hell that song, as the club said crossed a line. Well it doesn't so much cross the line, as jump over it by about 10 ft, then go back and shit on said line. 

 

There is nothing remotely "happy clappy" about thinking that's utterly disgusting. There is NO excuse for that, doesn't matter what they've done, and certainly not making some shit football decisions. That's not something blurted out in a moment of anger either, which I could understand at times, whilst not condoning.  

They've had to mull that over, come up with it, try and get it going goodness knows how many times.  And at no point did their tiny little pea brain think that was not a good thing to sing, wow. 

[skolfoxes]

I think it’s fair to say that taken literally, the Rudkin chant is pretty abhorrent.

In the realms of football, where chants and songs are generally factually inaccurate, and exaggerated to get a reaction from their target, it’s crass and antagonistic, and not something I would personally join in with or think is acceptable. But let’s be real here, it’s not a genuine death threat against anyone.

 

The fact that this is the first time we’ve had any sort of statement from the club in literally years to me shows that they’ve spotted an opportunity to shape the narrative on this. It may backfire in their face, like telling a naughty child not to do something, and only serve to add fuel to the fire for many. But it will have the desired impact on some.

It seems as though the club have spotted an opportunity, and used the statement as a way to keep those starting to waiver on their support of KP on their side, and to lead them to not want to be associated with those on the anti KP side of the aisle.

Chants against Managers, Owners, Directors of Football etc don’t always have to be crude to be the most effective. You only have to look at how many join with ‘We want Rudkin out’ compared to ‘Rudkin’s a c**t’ to see this.