6 point deduction - confirmed

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, boosmanana said:

What then happens if Man City get found guilty of the charges that have been thrown their way? If they then get an enormous points deduction now for something that happened whilst we were in the top part of the PL you could argue that we've lost CL revenue as a result of their actions? The whole thing could get incredibly messy

The charges relate to the period to 2018 so didn’t affect us

 

2 hours ago, Frank Large's Black Book said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned before because I'm too despondent to read it all but what grinds my gears (besides manc) is reading that Man U are carrying a debt of £1.3 billion.

 

Think of a million pounds in one pile, then think of another 1,300 piles.

 

That's c£60m a year just to service the debt.

Tell me how that is sustainable.

as mentioned above it’s reasonable given their income. As long as they can service the interest 

[Sly]

7 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

I fully agree with all of this.
 

It also annoys me that the EPL and EFL seem to be making this up as they go along. 

 

It is just a joke really and I sort of go from thinking our board is a bunch of fools to even challenge it, to let’s just kick back at the incompetence of the football authorises, who are just as useless as the people running us. 
 

 

[TeamRocket]

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

[Lesta2014]

5 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

Can’t help but agree

[Corky]

25 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

These rules originally came in during 2013. Everton and Nottingham Forest haven't won the league in recent years yet have had points deducted.

[peach0000]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

These rules originally came in during 2013. Everton and Nottingham Forest haven't won the league in recent years yet have had points deducted.

But we’re not enforced initially in the way they are now. The rules were brought in because Man City bridged the gap with money and they designed something to stop it happening again. I would argue Leicesters success made them tighten the rules.

 

ultimately all PSR or FFP or whatever other system seems to of achieved is stopping clubs competing at the top end. You can get so far like Leicester, Villa or Newcastle then you have to stop and go back down the table. That’s the reality of PSR. 

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

But we’re not enforced initially in the way they are now. The rules were brought in because Man City bridged the gap with money and they designed something to stop it happening again. I would argue Leicesters success made them tighten the rules.

 

ultimately all PSR or FFP or whatever other system seems to of achieved is stopping clubs competing at the top end. You can get so far like Leicester, Villa or Newcastle then you have to stop and go back down the table. That’s the reality of PSR. 

More likely that the threat of the regulator increased enforcement. The rules are not ideal, they are restrictive but we knew the parameters we had to operate within. Our wage bill was ridiculous compared to our income.

[Headcase]

47 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

And because we pulled their pants down, not once but twice, snd for once we not the ever obliging leicester city

[1969]

Two things are true - PSR is shit AND we are shit at PSR.

[Gamble92]

58 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

Top and Rudkin want you to believe this. 

 

But in reality we have eventually been given 6 points for years of the most amateur example of management of a Professional Football Club you will ever find. 

[Stadt]

We didn’t submit our accounts on time ffs 

[Gamble92]

Just now, Stadt said:

We didn’t submit our accounts on time ffs 

That fax machine again

[fox_favourite]

4 hours ago, Sly said:

I fully agree with all of this.
 

It also annoys me that the EPL and EFL seem to be making this up as they go along. 

 

It is just a joke really and I sort of go from thinking our board is a bunch of fools to even challenge it, to let’s just kick back at the incompetence of the football authorises, who are just as useless as the people running us. 
 

 

Completely agree and this bit annoys me the most. It should be like this. 

 

Accounts submitted > accounts reviewed > if you breached by X% then you get X amount of points/fines. The more you've breached, the harsher the punishment but punishment clearly stated > given within a few weeks > club can appeal > done with a couple of months max. 

 

But it just seems so vague. It seems to fans it's made up pending if you've been helpful or not. Or whether the EPL/EFL have beef with you, or you're a 'big club' or not. 

 

Rules should be clear, and these financial rules and punishment are so open for interpretation that its pointless. We have proven that with technicalities. 

 

Yes our club has been so badly mis managed, but the rules are terribly written and awfully enforced. They changed the rules because we made them look stupid. That's not our fault, that is in them for allowing us to. 

Edited 26 February by fox_favourite

[fox_favourite]

3 hours ago, 1969 said:

Two things are true - PSR is shit AND we are shit at PSR.

And this is 100% true! 

[Sly]

4 hours ago, 1969 said:

Two things are true - PSR is shit AND we are shit at PSR.

This statement is 100% accurate.

 

Whilst we all think (along with 99.9% of the football community of English football) that are PSR is a stupid rule, we knew the rules and still decided to somehow allow our wage bill to be more than our income. 
 

Unless you’re pumping money in from somewhere else, that is just shooting yourself in the foot. 
 

All I can think (to which we’ll never know the answer) was that we were going to get further external income though advertising, sponsorship, TV Revenue etc and it just hasn’t materialised. 
 

If they’d have had any sense; they would have capitalised on getting some form of TV series like “All or nothing”, “This is Wrexham” etc. We haven’t commercialised our rise to be a big club in the slightest and that is just bonkers. Let’s be honest, even if it was In-house and cost £30, loads of us would have watched it. 
 

If we use the matrix of social media following (assumed Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, YouTube and TikTok) as a benchmark mark of popularity for a football club, we would be 30th in World Football. 
 

When you consider that, our failings are even deeper than we all maybe discredit our offpitch commercial performance team. 
 

Rank	Club	Country	Total (M)	FB (M)	IG (M)	X (M)	TT (M)	YT (M)
1	Real Madrid	Spain	473.7	129.3	180.0	91.5	62.4	10.5
2	Barcelona	Spain	427.4	120.0	142.1	86.6	57.2	21.5
3	Man United	England	233.6	85.1	66.1	44.8	29.3	8.3
4	PSG	France	199.4	53.1	64.4	25.5	47.4	9.0
5	Man City	England	179.5	54.9	56.3	28.9	31.2	8.2
6	Juventus	Italy	174.9	47.5	60.0	17.7	39.8	9.9
7	Liverpool	England	166.7	51.7	48.2	31.6	25.0	10.2
8	Chelsea	England	152.9	56.5	42.6	29.2	18.7	5.9
9	B. Munich	Germany	149.1	62.7	44.1	18.4	26.5	4.8
10	Arsenal	England	114.1	45.8	31.6	23.3	11.1	4.3
11	Tottenham	England	108.1	25.1	18.2	22.4	40.6	4.1
12	Atlético Madrid	Spain	80.2	18.6	17.9	8.8	32.1	2.8
13	AC Milan	Italy	78.3	29.0	17.5	9.1	21.3	1.4
14	Inter Milan	Italy	70.2	33.4	13.2	6.5	15.6	1.5
15	Al-Nassr	Saudi	62.0	4.5	28.5	16.5	12.0	0.5
16	Flamengo	Brazil	60.5	15.2	21.8	10.5	10.2	2.8
17	B. Dortmund	Germany	60.2	17.4	20.9	12.1	8.2	1.6
18	Al-Ahly	Egypt	57.7	16.1	12.5	19.6	8.5	1.0
19	Galatasaray	Turkey	53.7	11.2	16.5	17.4	7.1	1.5
20	AS Roma	Italy	41.8	10.4	8.2	4.5	17.3	1.4
21	Corinthians	Brazil	41.6	11.5	14.1	7.9	6.5	1.6
22	Fenerbahçe	Turkey	39.1	9.8	11.5	14.3	2.5	1.0
23	Inter Miami	USA	38.4	5.2	17.3	4.5	10.8	0.6
24	Al-Hilal	Saudi	37.7	4.8	12.1	14.3	5.5	1.0
25	Persib Bandung	Indonesia	33.1	11.5	8.2	4.5	8.0	0.9
26	Club América	Mexico	30.3	12.1	6.5	5.5	5.2	1.0
27	Boca Juniors	Argentina	30.3	9.2	9.8	5.5	4.8	1.0
28	River Plate	Argentina	29.6	9.6	8.8	5.8	4.2	1.2
29	Ajax	Holland	26.9	5.2	8.9	2.1	9.9	0.8
30	Leicester City	England	24.5	9.5	7.8	2.8	3.5	0.9

 

If you consider this, as the benchmark for what is a big club now. We’d be 7th in England with 24.5m followers, albeit we are way of the greedy six. Shocker I know. 
 

By comparison, Forest have 4.5m followers. In fact to take this a step further, we have more than Forest, Leeds, Brentford, Brighton and the Hollywood Darlings Wrexham combined.

 

People bang on about Celtic and Rangers joining the English League system. They’ve got 18m combined! 
 

It is a bit tongue in cheek but if we have a target audience that is clearly following us, we haven’t engaged with them to leverage our success and really capitalise on our “brand”. I think this is because they push King Power largely and not Leicester City, which in reality, no one outside of football really cares about. 
 

“We’ve got a bigger social media following than you, you’ll never sing that”. Is maybe something we can sing at all of League One next season. The current 24 clubs total 15.5m followers, some 9m short of us! 
 

Rant and being over dramatic over. 
 

You get my point though. 

[Sly]

20 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Completely agree and this bit annoys me the most. It should be like this. 

 

Accounts submitted > accounts reviewed > if you breached by X% then you get X amount of points/fines. The more you've breached, the harsher the punishment but punishment clearly stated > given within a few weeks > club can appeal > done with a couple of months max. 

 

But it just seems so vague. It seems to fans it's made up pending if you've been helpful or not. Or whether the EPL/EFL have beef with you, or you're a 'big club' or not. 

 

Rules should be clear, and these financial rules and punishment are so open for interpretation that its pointless. We have proven that with technicalities. 

 

Yes our club has been so badly mis managed, but the rules are terribly written and awfully enforced. They changed the rules because we made them look stupid. That's not our fault, that is in them for allowing us to. 

Yes, no one really understands them in depth in reality.

 

The amount of things that are and aren’t included is silly. A bit of creative accounting and you’re around them simply undermines the entire thing. 
 

Then you have Man City with 115 odd charges, covering

 

54 charges of financial reporting,

14 charges of manager and player pay

12 charges of UEFA and PSR compliance

35 for non cooperation

 

These stem between 2009 through to 2017/2018, so would have potentially impacted not just us, but the butterfly effect of them financially doping so to speak outside of the rules could start a massive chain of events for legal challenges left, right and centre. I mean, how many teams have missed Champions League money in that period due to them finishing higher? You can’t even begin to put a an estimation on the consequential losses that this has caused to the wider football community if they are found guilty.

 

It won’t just be about stripping them of titles and docking points, then relegating them.

 

It is a litigation nightmare waiting to happen if the are found guilty, as by not dealing with it swiftly and it dragging on for years it could be one of the biggest legal cases of all time. If the Premier League and UEFA have any sense, they’ll have agreed a solution and outcome to this. 
 

It’s a multi billion legal war waiting to happen in reality. 
 

If they find them innocent (which at this point may be the lesser of two evils), then ourselves, Forest, Everton etc can then go after them for impacting our ability to grow for owner investment. Not that I believe we’d have bothered.
 

Can you imagine the fall out if they are found guilty?
 

Titles stripped and goes to the team in 2nd place.
 

2011/12  - Aguuuerrro. Title goes to Man U.

2013/14 - Gerrard slip. Title goes to Liverpool.

2017/18 - Title goes to Man U.

 

Teams that missed Champions League (worth £50 - £100m per season)

 

2011 - Tottenham

2012 - Newcastle 

2013 - Tottenham

2014 - Everton

2015 - Tottenham

2016 - Man U

2017 - Arsenal

2018 - Chelsea

 

Then the relegated teams from the league each year. This is where it gets really messy.

 

09 - Hull, Burnley, Portsmouth

10 - Birmingham, Blackpool, West Ham

11 - Bolton, Blackburn, Wolves

12 - Wigan, Reading, QPR

13 - Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff

14 - Hull, Burnley, QPR

15 - Newcastle, Norwich, Villa

16 - Hull, Middlesbrough, Sunderland

17 - Swansea, Stoke, West Brom

 

Some of those have never recovered from that, how do you put a price on it? 
 

Ultimately it then seems incredibly harsh to hammer ourselves, Everton and Forest for earlier periods when in reality, this should have been dealt with first. 
 

The cynical person might say until now, PSR deductions haven’t relegated a team. I wonder if the Premier League / EFL want that on them if we go down, with this mess all up in the air. We ourselves could issue a massive legal war over this.

Can you imagine how Trump would be handling all of this if he owned a club in the Premier League. People would be getting sued for multi billion dollars based on defamation of character alone. Never mind the impact of what it’s could potentially have done. 
 

This is even before you throw in the impact of what Chelsea have done as well. Albeit they’re complying and self reported a lot of the stuff they found, so are likely just to be hit with massive fines. 

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

This statement is 100% accurate.

 

Whilst we all think (along with 99.9% of the football community of English football) that are PSR is a stupid rule, we knew the rules and still decided to somehow allow our wage bill to be more than our income. 
 

Unless you’re pumping money in from somewhere else, that is just shooting yourself in the foot. 
 

All I can think (to which we’ll never know the answer) was that we were going to get further external income though advertising, sponsorship, TV Revenue etc and it just hasn’t materialised. 
 

If they’d have had any sense; they would have capitalised on getting some form of TV series like “All or nothing”, “This is Wrexham” etc. We haven’t commercialised our rise to be a big club in the slightest and that is just bonkers. Let’s be honest, even if it was In-house and cost £30, loads of us would have watched it. 
 

If we use the matrix of social media following (assumed Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, YouTube and TikTok) as a benchmark mark of popularity for a football club, we would be 30th in World Football. 
 

When you consider that, our failings are even deeper than we all maybe discredit our offpitch commercial performance team. 
 

Rank	Club	Country	Total (M)	FB (M)	IG (M)	X (M)	TT (M)	YT (M)
1	Real Madrid	Spain	473.7	129.3	180.0	91.5	62.4	10.5
2	Barcelona	Spain	427.4	120.0	142.1	86.6	57.2	21.5
3	Man United	England	233.6	85.1	66.1	44.8	29.3	8.3
4	PSG	France	199.4	53.1	64.4	25.5	47.4	9.0
5	Man City	England	179.5	54.9	56.3	28.9	31.2	8.2
6	Juventus	Italy	174.9	47.5	60.0	17.7	39.8	9.9
7	Liverpool	England	166.7	51.7	48.2	31.6	25.0	10.2
8	Chelsea	England	152.9	56.5	42.6	29.2	18.7	5.9
9	B. Munich	Germany	149.1	62.7	44.1	18.4	26.5	4.8
10	Arsenal	England	114.1	45.8	31.6	23.3	11.1	4.3
11	Tottenham	England	108.1	25.1	18.2	22.4	40.6	4.1
12	Atlético Madrid	Spain	80.2	18.6	17.9	8.8	32.1	2.8
13	AC Milan	Italy	78.3	29.0	17.5	9.1	21.3	1.4
14	Inter Milan	Italy	70.2	33.4	13.2	6.5	15.6	1.5
15	Al-Nassr	Saudi	62.0	4.5	28.5	16.5	12.0	0.5
16	Flamengo	Brazil	60.5	15.2	21.8	10.5	10.2	2.8
17	B. Dortmund	Germany	60.2	17.4	20.9	12.1	8.2	1.6
18	Al-Ahly	Egypt	57.7	16.1	12.5	19.6	8.5	1.0
19	Galatasaray	Turkey	53.7	11.2	16.5	17.4	7.1	1.5
20	AS Roma	Italy	41.8	10.4	8.2	4.5	17.3	1.4
21	Corinthians	Brazil	41.6	11.5	14.1	7.9	6.5	1.6
22	Fenerbahçe	Turkey	39.1	9.8	11.5	14.3	2.5	1.0
23	Inter Miami	USA	38.4	5.2	17.3	4.5	10.8	0.6
24	Al-Hilal	Saudi	37.7	4.8	12.1	14.3	5.5	1.0
25	Persib Bandung	Indonesia	33.1	11.5	8.2	4.5	8.0	0.9
26	Club América	Mexico	30.3	12.1	6.5	5.5	5.2	1.0
27	Boca Juniors	Argentina	30.3	9.2	9.8	5.5	4.8	1.0
28	River Plate	Argentina	29.6	9.6	8.8	5.8	4.2	1.2
29	Ajax	Holland	26.9	5.2	8.9	2.1	9.9	0.8
30	Leicester City	England	24.5	9.5	7.8	2.8	3.5	0.9

 

If you consider this, as the benchmark for what is a big club now. We’d be 7th in England with 24.5m followers, albeit we are way of the greedy six. Shocker I know. 
 

By comparison, Forest have 4.5m followers. In fact to take this a step further, we have more than Forest, Leeds, Brentford, Brighton and the Hollywood Darlings Wrexham combined.

 

People bang on about Celtic and Rangers joining the English League system. They’ve got 18m combined! 
 

It is a bit tongue in cheek but if we have a target audience that is clearly following us, we haven’t engaged with them to leverage our success and really capitalise on our “brand”. I think this is because they push King Power largely and not Leicester City, which in reality, no one outside of football really cares about. 
 

“We’ve got a bigger social media following than you, you’ll never sing that”. Is maybe something we can sing at all of League One next season. The current 24 clubs total 15.5m followers, some 9m short of us! 
 

Rant and being over dramatic over. 
 

You get my point though. 

This shows how badly we under performed on commercial income.

[westernpark]

7 hours ago, TeamRocket said:

Let's be honest all this is happening cos we won the Premier league and messed the system up. 

It’s happening because once we won the premier league, slowly the fantastic recruitment team that Nigel Pearson built was dismantled and the owner and his Dad were incapable of replacing them(albeit Macia wasn’t awful). As a result, we bought average and rubbish players at over inflated prices and wages, whilst having no plan to ensure we were not going above our means. We couldn’t sell players, we could hardly improve our revenue- maybe focus on a new stadium rather than training ground for example. 

[splinterdream]

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Sly said:

This statement is 100% accurate.

 

Whilst we all think (along with 99.9% of the football community of English football) that are PSR is a stupid rule, we knew the rules and still decided to somehow allow our wage bill to be more than our income. 
 

Unless you’re pumping money in from somewhere else, that is just shooting yourself in the foot. 
 

All I can think (to which we’ll never know the answer) was that we were going to get further external income though advertising, sponsorship, TV Revenue etc and it just hasn’t materialised. 
 

If they’d have had any sense; they would have capitalised on getting some form of TV series like “All or nothing”, “This is Wrexham” etc. We haven’t commercialised our rise to be a big club in the slightest and that is just bonkers. Let’s be honest, even if it was In-house and cost £30, loads of us would have watched it. 
 

If we use the matrix of social media following (assumed Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, YouTube and TikTok) as a benchmark mark of popularity for a football club, we would be 30th in World Football. 
 

When you consider that, our failings are even deeper than we all maybe discredit our offpitch commercial performance team. 
 

Rank	Club	Country	Total (M)	FB (M)	IG (M)	X (M)	TT (M)	YT (M)
1	Real Madrid	Spain	473.7	129.3	180.0	91.5	62.4	10.5
2	Barcelona	Spain	427.4	120.0	142.1	86.6	57.2	21.5
3	Man United	England	233.6	85.1	66.1	44.8	29.3	8.3
4	PSG	France	199.4	53.1	64.4	25.5	47.4	9.0
5	Man City	England	179.5	54.9	56.3	28.9	31.2	8.2
6	Juventus	Italy	174.9	47.5	60.0	17.7	39.8	9.9
7	Liverpool	England	166.7	51.7	48.2	31.6	25.0	10.2
8	Chelsea	England	152.9	56.5	42.6	29.2	18.7	5.9
9	B. Munich	Germany	149.1	62.7	44.1	18.4	26.5	4.8
10	Arsenal	England	114.1	45.8	31.6	23.3	11.1	4.3
11	Tottenham	England	108.1	25.1	18.2	22.4	40.6	4.1
12	Atlético Madrid	Spain	80.2	18.6	17.9	8.8	32.1	2.8
13	AC Milan	Italy	78.3	29.0	17.5	9.1	21.3	1.4
14	Inter Milan	Italy	70.2	33.4	13.2	6.5	15.6	1.5
15	Al-Nassr	Saudi	62.0	4.5	28.5	16.5	12.0	0.5
16	Flamengo	Brazil	60.5	15.2	21.8	10.5	10.2	2.8
17	B. Dortmund	Germany	60.2	17.4	20.9	12.1	8.2	1.6
18	Al-Ahly	Egypt	57.7	16.1	12.5	19.6	8.5	1.0
19	Galatasaray	Turkey	53.7	11.2	16.5	17.4	7.1	1.5
20	AS Roma	Italy	41.8	10.4	8.2	4.5	17.3	1.4
21	Corinthians	Brazil	41.6	11.5	14.1	7.9	6.5	1.6
22	Fenerbahçe	Turkey	39.1	9.8	11.5	14.3	2.5	1.0
23	Inter Miami	USA	38.4	5.2	17.3	4.5	10.8	0.6
24	Al-Hilal	Saudi	37.7	4.8	12.1	14.3	5.5	1.0
25	Persib Bandung	Indonesia	33.1	11.5	8.2	4.5	8.0	0.9
26	Club América	Mexico	30.3	12.1	6.5	5.5	5.2	1.0
27	Boca Juniors	Argentina	30.3	9.2	9.8	5.5	4.8	1.0
28	River Plate	Argentina	29.6	9.6	8.8	5.8	4.2	1.2
29	Ajax	Holland	26.9	5.2	8.9	2.1	9.9	0.8
30	Leicester City	England	24.5	9.5	7.8	2.8	3.5	0.9

 

If you consider this, as the benchmark for what is a big club now. We’d be 7th in England with 24.5m followers, albeit we are way of the greedy six. Shocker I know. 
 

By comparison, Forest have 4.5m followers. In fact to take this a step further, we have more than Forest, Leeds, Brentford, Brighton and the Hollywood Darlings Wrexham combined.

 

People bang on about Celtic and Rangers joining the English League system. They’ve got 18m combined! 
 

It is a bit tongue in cheek but if we have a target audience that is clearly following us, we haven’t engaged with them to leverage our success and really capitalise on our “brand”. I think this is because they push King Power largely and not Leicester City, which in reality, no one outside of football really cares about. 
 

“We’ve got a bigger social media following than you, you’ll never sing that”. Is maybe something we can sing at all of League One next season. The current 24 clubs total 15.5m followers, some 9m short of us! 
 

Rant and being over dramatic over. 
 

You get my point though. 

I think the point about king power football club is the only explanation. 
how could any company fail to follow up 2016 as a commercial global opportunity ?  all those followers and ……………

[Terraloon]

11 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

So am I correct in thinking any new sanction would apply to 24/25, I.e. When we were a PL club? 

 

If so, shouldn't we be sanctioned under PL rules?

 

If that is the case, then any sanction must be applied this season under the amendment issued last April. The rules were clear that it has to apply to the same season the charges are brought to maintain sporting integrity.

 

Therefore if we have breached it has to be applied this season, otherwise I don't see how any such sanction could be applied at a later date, based on the rules. 

 

The first hurdle for the EFL to charge would be proof from the PL that they had started an PSR investigation whilst LC were still a PL club.

 

That said if LC either failed to comply with obligations to supply projections, failed to meet deadlines , supply audited accounts or those projections were significantly incorrect then there would be a valid PL argument as to why any investigation wasn’t commenced.
 

The PL fast track process was introduced in an attempt to deal with any PSR failure for say 24/25 in the 25/26 season and for cases that follow the defined process they have only been able to get one case , Forest, fully completed before seasons end. Everton 2 was largely completed but even after the IC had dealt with the substantive arguments there was still one aspect unanswered , it involved the treatment of interest on a loan and should that interest be a PSR allowable . It required a ruling from an accounting body (FRS) that took several months to resolve and certainty post the end of the season.

 

The fast track process is the anticipated way in which the PL will proceed but it’s not the only process because at any point either party, the PL or a club, can make application to the IC to follow a different time line. It is impossible, even if projections have revealed a PSR breach, to state with certainty until annual accounts have been completed and undergone audit.

 

The 24/25 PL Clubs,  and as we now know Leicester included, will have been obliged to send their 30/6/25 ending  accounts to the PL by 31/12/25 but at that point there was still a dispute between LC and the PL . That dispute wasn’t resolved until the recent IC ruling.

 

We don’t know if LC maintained that they weren’t required to send accounts to the PL after ceasing membership. If they did well that would be a reason for delay and dare I say  will almost certainly lead to  another charge .Another and the main problem for the EFL would have been till the recent  IC ruling has been confirmed at appeal it’s impossible for any charge for the  3 year period ending 30/6/25 to be made. One reason why I say that there is still a dispute around the 36 v 37 month period impacting   22/23 . 

 

Two final points .
 

First. No matter how clear a rule book is when it comes to interpreting what is meant by something that is clear to one person but an other will argue that isn’t what is meant. 

 

I will give to a simple example.

 

In our local car park there is a sign which reads “ Have you paid and displayed ? Penalty £60 .

 

I think we all know what that means but one person who didn’t pay and got a PCN  successfully appealed saying that had he paid and displayed he could have received a £60 fine. The local council’s argument was “ It was obvious “ But was it ?

The lawyers earn big bucks for advancing arguments as to how using different arguments and rulings in different and usually non sporting matters as to how the rule book should, could or must be read . Ironically those same lawyers if they represented the other side would be arguing the polar opposite. 
 

The second is and it’s something that must not be forgotten that the PL / EFL  indeed any European league that could provide a team to play in either the CL, Europa or Conference competitions had no option but implement cost constraints akin to FFP. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 February by Terraloon

[smudger63]

Don't know if this is right or not, although I did hear on talkshite last night that all 20 premier league clubs had complied with psr for 24/25. Wasn't clear if the included the relegated clubs from last season though.

 

 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I think the point about king power football club is the only explanation. 
how could any company fail to follow up 2016 as a commercial global opportunity ?  all those followers and ……………

All those followers and nothing! 

[ClaphamFox]

16 hours ago, Terraloon said:

If you cast your mind back to the 23/24 season the EFL wanted LC to produce a business plan but the club went all guns blazing to challenge the “request” to produce one and in the end it was ruled in March 24 that clubs relegated to the PL weren’t  required to submit business plan in December ( I think) but by the next deadline then LC did have a player embargo put in place by the EFL.

 

We simply don’t know what is going on re the 25/26 season in terms of having a business plan in place but even if you have one in place it isn’t a given that embargo follows. 
 

Something in the back of mind is saying that some other numbers are due to be sent in around now.

The deadline for EFL clubs to submit their previous season's accounts to the EFL is 1 March. Where clubs have been charged by the EFL after this point, they have invariably been hit with deductions the following season. However I'm mindful that our case might be different if the PL has already started an investigation for 24/25 as we were a PL club then.

[Les-TA-Jon]

25 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Don't know if this is right or not, although I did hear on talkshite last night that all 20 premier league clubs had complied with psr for 24/25. Wasn't clear if the included the relegated clubs from last season though.

 

 

AI is largely nonsense - it provides plausible sounding answers to the questions you give it - it doesn't necessarily give accurate or even actual answers...

 

Your image itself contains obvious contradictions and inaccuracies. 

 

The 5th Feb Six-Point deduction outcome was for the period ending 23/24 (Enzo promotion season). So lots of the sentences it spat out make no sense.