Fryatt Rumours ?

[Rossatron]

i don't think there is much truth in it, i can't see him getting into our side if we had him

1.5 mill for someone to warm the bench is just stupidity

[NCFC_Chris]

Why not, you have Cureton and that Czech lad? As none of you have seem him play yet, maybe in a friendly, how do you know he's any good? Fryatt has alot of potential and if Wolves made a bid for him, i'm pretty sure he would get in your side or at least play a large number of games.

we have 7 strikers, don't see the need for another

[Edmund]

You shouldn't judge him on last season when he was blighted by a lack of fitness, but then weren't all of our players, injuries oh and a surfeit of pies, kebabs and bacon sarnies it would seem.

a lot of it was down to no reserve team

[davieG]

a lot of it was down to no reserve team

Why did they go down the chippy in place of reserve games then

[Webbo]

The only reason I think that the club would sell Fryatt is if they think his injuries will blight the rest of his career, if that's the case then it might be good business.

[Edmund]

Why did they go down the chippy in place of reserve games then

no!! they just didnt play reserve games, only a few behind closed doors but not enough to keep them fit

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

What will Fraytt get at Norwich that he can't get here (Delia Smith's rousing speeches aside )?

From what I've seen in pre-season and read on the OS it seems that Allen is impressedd with Fryatt, and if anyone is to be shipped out in place of a better striker it's Elvis.

What we need up front is strength and depth. Surely getting rid of a natural finisher like Fryatt and keeping a useless donkey like Hammond makes absolutely no sense.

And replying to an earlier Thracian post mentioning Fryatt's lack of 30-yard scorchers, I'd like to point out that that doesn't make him a bad striker. How many screamers did Van Nistelrooy score (there were a few, but most of his goals came from inside the area)? Fryatt is a goal poacher, not an Henry type that can take the ball round several players, curling the ball into the top corner with the outside of his foot.

You continually say that you'll give him a chance, but then continue to criticise. Give him a break.

[Manwell Pablo]

we have 7 strikers, don't see the need for another

Whats your point, We have 9 in our squad, doesn't mean they are any good.

[Finnegan]

I don't really have much new or original to add, only my bemusement at everyone who's judging the lad purely, solely on last season. All I'm saying is I'll be gutted if he leaves. And like Mabs I'll be doubly gutted if, nay, when he goes on to bag hatfulls somewhere else. Sort of like Cresswell with talent.

[Thracian]

What will Fraytt get at Norwich that he can't get here (Delia Smith's rousing speeches aside )?

From what I've seen in pre-season and read on the OS it seems that Allen is impressedd with Fryatt, and if anyone is to be shipped out in place of a better striker it's Elvis.

What we need up front is strength and depth. Surely getting rid of a natural finisher like Fryatt and keeping a useless donkey like Hammond makes absolutely no sense.

And replying to an earlier Thracian post mentioning Fryatt's lack of 30-yard scorchers, I'd like to point out that that doesn't make him a bad striker. How many screamers did Van Nistelrooy score (there were a few, but most of his goals came from inside the area)? Fryatt is a goal poacher, not an Henry type that can take the ball round several players, curling the ball into the top corner with the outside of his foot.

You continually say that you'll give him a chance, but then continue to criticise. Give him a break.

You seem to focus on the criticism I give him and conveniently ignore the praise.

I said he starts pre-season with a clean sheet and believe I've stuck to that. I've noted his return to fitness, his commitment in training, his goal and assist. I've barely criticised his on-field efforts at all under MA.

However, in referring to reasons why I don't share the built in fans adulation of Fryatt I've tried to give reasons so people at least can agree or disagree as they see fit.

I agree Fryatt is a goal poacher and there, really, is the problem. If we were a Nistelrooy or a Jimmy Greaves, fine. But there's no indication that he is. And if his poaching is countered by good quality opposition what does he have to offer in addition? Can he get near post goals? Can he dominate in the air? can he score from long range? Does he make goals with his awareness?

No, not generally. And therefore my feeling is that he is too easily negated and part of the reason for that is his lack of raw pace and real strength.

However, he's a year older now and under a different regime. If his fitness problems are behind him I feel fairly confident he can at least make a worthwhile contribution under Allen, given chance. But he deserves no special favours. He should sink or swim on his merits like everyone else and that is what I am happy to let happen and to judge him by.

[Geo V]

I can see Fryatt playing for one of the better teams in this division if he leaves us but Norwich? Etuhu and Earnshaw, arguably their best two players have left and despite a couple of decent loans and Bosmans being secured, I cant see them being any more than a mid-table side.

[Finnegan]

I agree Fryatt is a goal poacher and there, really, is the problem. If we were a Nistelrooy or a Jimmy Greaves, fine. But there's no indication that he is. And if his poaching is countered by good quality opposition what does he have to offer in addition? Can he get near post goals? Can he dominate in the air? can he score from long range? Does he make goals with his awareness?

No, not generally.

What ridicules the claim though, is a very, I think, genuine and somewhat obvious question: "How do you know he isn't?"

Putting Matty Fryatt's fitness aside, because that's become a worn out cliché (though I'll defend it to the last), how many goals do you believe RVNistelrooy, Greaves or, hey, the man Tony Cottee would have scored for us last season? Bare any, to be honest. Goals we scored last year came from scrappy individual efforts, luck, Kisnorbo's head and a few blinders from Hume. Alright, RVN has bags more quality than... well, nearly everyone, but he'd still have struggled in such a terrible side.

When you've got a player like that you need a team that can supply them constructive opportunities to finish. And we're all hoping and praying that some of our new midfield signings will do that. The fact of the matter is we're not really going to know what the boy can really achieve until the season begins and he runs out fully fit, raring to go and surrounded by competent footballers. I guess that's what's a little worrying about it.

But I'd much, much, MUCH rather see players we KNOW are effectively useless (MDV, Hammond, Hughes, etc) be shown the exit before the we fobb Fryatt off for £1.5m that I don't think anyone's entirely convinced we need.

[The People's Hero]

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I like space - sentences with space, seats with space, space in my life, open space, spacious women, you name it!

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Sub-edit me into conventional normality if it calms your irritation.

Fighting is tiresome anyway.

Trying to remain myself and to do things my way.

I'm 58 now.

Sooner or later it will have to stop.

Like singing songs at football matches.

Hardly becoming of a grown man...

I really should have more self awareness and not seek to stand out.

Perhaps I could become a grey area.

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[Miquel The Work Geordie]

What ridicules the claim though, is a very, I think, genuine and somewhat obvious question: "How do you know he isn't?"

Putting Matty Fryatt's fitness aside, because that's become a worn out cliché (though I'll defend it to the last), how many goals do you believe RVNistelrooy, Greaves or, hey, the man Tony Cottee would have scored for us last season? Bare any, to be honest. Goals we scored last year came from scrappy individual efforts, luck, Kisnorbo's head and a few blinders from Hume. Alright, RVN has bags more quality than... well, nearly everyone, but he'd still have struggled in such a terrible side.

When you've got a player like that you need a team that can supply them constructive opportunities to finish. And we're all hoping and praying that some of our new midfield signings will do that. The fact of the matter is we're not really going to know what the boy can really achieve until the season begins and he runs out fully fit, raring to go and surrounded by competent footballers. I guess that's what's a little worrying about it.

But I'd much, much, MUCH rather see players we KNOW are effectively useless (MDV, Hammond, Hughes, etc) be shown the exit before the we fobb Fryatt off for £1.5m that I don't think anyone's entirely convinced we need.

Spot on

[jonw88]

Spot on

"Michael the work geordie"... did you get that from Alan Partridge? LEDGE-END

[Kent Fox]

Roll on, August 11th.

Even this thread talks about how ineffective MDV is.

It's all getting a bit boring.

Give them all a break, wait for the season to start and then let the slagging off start properly.

And at least then, we'll know if Matty is a part of us or not.

Personally, I blame Milan Mandaric for at least two completely useless, boring and long winded threads. If he'd have bought Izzy and sold Matty, we could all get on with our lives finding something else to moan about.

[Thracian]

What ridicules the claim though, is a very, I think, genuine and somewhat obvious question: "How do you know he isn't?"

Putting Matty Fryatt's fitness aside, because that's become a worn out cliché (though I'll defend it to the last), how many goals do you believe RVNistelrooy, Greaves or, hey, the man Tony Cottee would have scored for us last season? Bare any, to be honest. Goals we scored last year came from scrappy individual efforts, luck, Kisnorbo's head and a few blinders from Hume. Alright, RVN has bags more quality than... well, nearly everyone, but he'd still have struggled in such a terrible side.

When you've got a player like that you need a team that can supply them constructive opportunities to finish. And we're all hoping and praying that some of our new midfield signings will do that. The fact of the matter is we're not really going to know what the boy can really achieve until the season begins and he runs out fully fit, raring to go and surrounded by competent footballers. I guess that's what's a little worrying about it.

But I'd much, much, MUCH rather see players we KNOW are effectively useless (MDV, Hammond, Hughes, etc) be shown the exit before the we fobb Fryatt off for £1.5m that I don't think anyone's entirely convinced we need.

a) I don't see why Fryatt will be the only one to benefit from better players in the team. Hammond and MDV would surely benefit too.

b) Fryatt doesn't have RVN's strength, Cottee's quick first yard and ability on the near post or Jimmy Greaves' genius.

So Fryatt isn't one of those but that's not what's expected anyway. It isn't 20/30 goals a season we're looking for, it is 15-18 (depending on your yardstick).

I'm still looking and hoping for signs that he can achieve that.

[teblin]

a) I don't see why Fryatt will be the only one to benefit from better players in the team. Hammond and MDV would surely benefit too.

b) Fryatt doesn't have RVN's strength, Cottee's quick first yard and ability on the near post or Jimmy Greaves' genius.

So Fryatt isn't one of those but that's not what's expected anyway. It isn't 20/30 goals a season we're looking for, it is 15-18 (depending on your yardstick).

I'm still looking and hoping for signs that he can achieve that.

Hammond is poor very poor and i can't believe you keep defending him. MDV should have been here last season. And would be more likely than hammond to benefit.

Hammond has scored 10 goals in 100 games (ok only 51 were starts) a goal every 10 games!!!!!!!!

Fryatt has made played 144 (97 starts) scored 40 goals a goal evert 3.5 (still not great but a damn site better than elvis)

Mark De vries does have about a 1 in 3 average over his career. 91 (26)apps 36 goals

I have alot more time for matty, think he's got it in him.

If we all thought the same the world would be dull.

[Webbo]

But I'd much, much, MUCH rather see players we KNOW are effectively useless (MDV, Hammond, Hughes, etc) be shown the exit before the we fobb Fryatt off for £1.5m that I don't think anyone's entirely convinced we need.

Be careful what you say there MDV is our new saviour you know.

[casabian]

Matty Fryatt is going nowhere Allen pointed out who he wants to keep by giving the players he wants to stay squad numbers du du du du MATTY FRYATT

[Geo V]

Matty Fryatt is going nowhere Allen pointed out who he wants to keep by giving the players he wants to stay squad numbers du du du du MATTY FRYATT

Lets hope that isnt 100% true and that Elvis gets a deal elsewhere despite his shiny new shirt with squad number. Fryatt to stay though would be great.

[Thracian]

Matty Fryatt is going nowhere Allen pointed out who he wants to keep by giving the players he wants to stay squad numbers du du du du MATTY FRYATT

Strange thing to say considering Louis Dodds is off to Lincoln for the season.

[Simi]

Matty Fryatt is going nowhere Allen pointed out who he wants to keep by giving the players he wants to stay squad numbers du du du du MATTY FRYATT

I don't believe that at all.

[STUHILL]

Im glad if he stays. But if he is staying then it will be interesting to see what people think of him if he has another poor season? Maybe through the same foot injury or just doesn't deliver. Will people still see so much potential in him? Or will they begin to think another one of those players who could go throughout their career and never fufill it?

[Stevosevic]

Im glad if he stays. But if he is staying then it will be interesting to see what people think of him if he has another poor season? Maybe through the same foot injury or just doesn't deliver. Will people still see so much potential in him? Or will they begin to think another one of those players who could go throughout their career and never fufill it?

I'd imagine if he had a poor season, or even a poor half season, MA will sell him, but don't worry. The lad is going to produce goals this year. There won't be any need to discuss his potential because he will be fulfilling it.