Stevosevic Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I can't believe alot of people were naive to think it was going to be a guaranteed win last night.
Master Fox Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I think Holloway and the squad need enema's and get the shit out of there system, holloway needs a verbal enema for the shit he talks!! I'm not looking forward to the game on saturday, i think me and MF are gonna have to get trollied before the game to numb our sensations They’ll be no numbing of my sensations, I’ll be looking to sensualise
davieG Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I can't believe alot of people were naive to think it was going to be a guaranteed win last night. After 4 years of watch this shite and with the numerous false dawns I doubt anyone thought it was guaranteed. But they could be forgiven for thinking that the odds were in our favour considering the resources we have, it was at home, that Preston have the 2nd worst away record 2 wins, 3 draws. Besides as is normally the case it's not the defeat per se although that's bad enough it's the nature of the defeat, the way we played because despite the influx of so called 'better quality' player we are still seemingly incapable of playing a simple game football based around simple passes to a team mate, some movement and a bit of intensity.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 They’ll be no numbing of my sensations, I’ll be looking to sensualise Oooooooh behave MF!!! I'll book a double sess at Lusty's Message Parlour then!!!
purpleronnie Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 What did I say after the cardiff match? Its just like leicester to beat a team like cardiff then lose to someone crap at home. No shock to me.
Ron Combo Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Excellent post from Ric Flair. In my opinion we are effed.
Wycombe Fox Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I have a feeling that we'll be hearing those two words again soon - mutual and consent! Anyway I blame MPH (see signature)!
davieG Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I have a feeling that we'll be hearing those two words again soon - mutual and consent! Anyway I blame MPH (see signature)!
lcfc_jme Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Of all the gutter performances and dreadful results over the years, this has to be the worst. Plymouth away last season was much, much worse than that. By a long way. Aside from this comment though, I agree with everything else you posted. A message to Ian Holloway. Either you have amnesia or you're a liar. How you can continue to let your team play long ball and negative football without punishing them for it, is beyond me. What exactly does it achieve? You also have the cheek to then accuse Preston of playing it long and that we passed it better than them? You absolute moron. I hope that's a touch of reverse psychology, because spouting stuff like that is not doing you any favours. It just highlights to the fans that any hope of you actually doing something about how bad we are is unlikely as you refuse to accept the massive shortcomings in our performances.If a team plays long ball football and it works, fair do's to them. It's not pretty, but in this division it can still be effective if played in the right manner. If it's played without any thought, tactics or planning, then not only is it horrible to watch, but it's also massively ineffective. This is the boat we are sailing in and unless we change that, we aren't going to string a number of results together because tactically we aren't sound enough. Sure, we'll get the odd win here and there when other teams have an off day, but if the opposition isn't utter dog shit on the day, then we'll struggle. That's why we can't win more than the odd token game, because the probability and odds of the next team or teams being as shit as the last isn't favourable. So Ian, if you haven't already realised why we are so shit, then you're in trouble. If you have already realised, then why the mince aren't you doing anything about it? Fine every single one of them that launches the ball unecessarily and if that still doesn't have the desired effect then make them work in Momo Sylla's Factory instead. This club needs to have a launch pad, some innovation. The idea that this club won't accept negative football and that any player that doesn't fall in line with this is bounced out of here. Alternatively, get yourself ready for a summers gardening. It's no coincidence that it doesn't matter who we sign or play, the performances and results don't change. Oakley, Clemence, Hendrie, N'Gotty, Alnwick, Howard all either recent Premiership players or players that got promotion to the Premiership last season, yet as bad as the rest of them once their feet are under the table at Leicester. Why is that? Whose allowing them and causing them to do that? If you don't give them the ball in the right situations or positions then what's the fooking point? You might as well play Penrice and Des Bumchin instead. Talk about a waste of resources, I'm surprised Gordon Brown isn't on the blower and snaffling you up to waste some wedge for the Labour Party instead. I'm sick to death of watching us play a system that is proven to be as ineffective as letting Victoria Beckham make herself a sandwich. Spot on again, Flair. This club has a habit of making decent enough players fcking rubbish. And rubbish players even worse. The style of football we play is shocking and something you see week in, week out in Sunday Leagues up and down the country. In saying that, though, the long ball game in this division will get you results and it can cause teams no end of problems. Provided of course that it has had some form of pre-planning attached to it and those plans are actually adhered to and followed through by the so-called footballers who work on them throughout the week leading up to the game. I don't know if Ollie has a discipline problem at the club, but his players sure aren't playing "for him" or playing "his style of football" (in the sense that they hoof it long as opposed to getting it wide like his Plymouth side). If we're honest, IH is on borrowed time now. His excuses for the endless shit we serve up are running out. Sure, he inherited a poor side, but he has since brought in enough of his own players for things to change: Ben Alnwick, Matt Oakley, Steve Howard, Barry Hayles, Zsolt Lackzo, Gabor Bori, Jamie Clapham. He has also added Hendrie and now Etuhu to his squad, meaning he now has 9 of his own players. Almost a whole new team. If this team fails to perform and get us moving up the league, what has he to fall back on? He can't say he inherited a shit team, he's made his own signings and has had time to integrate them (with the exception of Hendrie and obviously Etuhu). Luck? Luck has fck all to do with things, especially as often as Ollie is claiming with us. He won't be able to hide behind his one-liners forever. People with half a brain will soon wise up to him and see that behind this public mirage there is a man who has little or no idea how to stop the rot. His incessant ramblings and bemoaning of bad luck, added to his refusal to criticise the useless bunch of ****wits who are helping him to keep us in this mess (the players, for those of you still reading or who didn't understand) is really starting to wear thin now. You can't talk your way out of a relegation battle, Ollie, so get a fcking grip of yourself and get a grip of your fcking "team". And I'd just like to add: I am not a hooligan. That's not a hooligan. <_<
Lichfieldfox. Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 And someone tell me, HOW THE fook DID THAT LINO NOT SEE THE BACKPASS IN THE SECOND HALF? That Lino was awful. Missed the backpass, Hume having his shirt removed (at least ref saw that) and probably got offsides wrong as well (but I was in A block so couldn't tell)
Wycombe Fox Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Luck? Luck has fck all to do with things... When I did my FA Level 1 Coaching last year I coached a training session for 20 minutes after which the FA examiner made comments. The only thing he pulled me up on was that on a couple of occassions something didn't work like a pass went astray or something like that and I said "unlucky". He told me that football isn't based upon luck or lack of it and that I shouldn't use that term when coaching. Something either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't you can't use luck as an excuse, just work harder to get it right based upon ability. So according to the FA luck doesn't come into it.
Koke Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 In Ollie's defence, he has identified our problems, the midfield. He has tried bringing people in to solve that problem (Oakley, Laczko, Hendrie and now Etuhu). Why they are not delivering, I do not know. Holloway is not some nutcase who's been picked up from League One. He is a decent manager who has done well at Plymouth and I'll put my neck on the line saying that had he not left Plymouth he'd probably be leading them to the play-offs, as they are on they way doing now. Holloway doesn't become a shit manager over night. I don't agree with everything he has done, and his record since he has arrived isn't very good. But for those who are asking for his P45, think about this, what will we achieve by doing that? The scums have appointed Chris Coleman, who many on here rate very highly, and they have lost their last 2 games and they have a tough one tonight at QPR. I think we'll stay up and I think Ollie will come good... eventually.
AlbertFox Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 That Lino was awful. Missed the backpass, Hume having his shirt removed (at least ref saw that) and probably got offsides wrong as well (but I was in A block so couldn't tell) I think all the officials were terrible last night - referee pulling back play for free kicks when we had the advantage, stopping play for the substitution when we'd taken a quick throw and he hadn't blown for the substitution as the ball went out. IMHO The back pass was questionable - was it really intentional, or was it a bad touch...? Home teams would normally get it, but for whatever reason we didn't. BUT The main descisions they had to make: - Penalty shout for DJ in the first half looked stone wall from where I was - DJ controlled the ball and had his standing leg taken.....but I sit level with the 18 yard line at the other end of the pitch so difficult to say; - Offside goals - both were offside, so they were correct; - Disallowed goal was for handball, which the ref obviously didn't see but the lino did, and had to flag for as it was pretty obvious. Having said all that, the officials weren't the ones that failed to get the oppositions keeper to make a single save over 90 minutes, didn't take one of the numerous opportunities to get a shot in from the edge of the box, or failed to look interested until we'd conceded...
Raj Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Im bored of shite. Im bored of excuses Im bored of missed chances Im bored of the players underperforming. Im bored of expecting a win and not getting it. Im bored of being in a relegation dog fight again. Im bored of players coming on loan,playing well for game and then being shite. Im bored of 20,000+ fans waiting for something to happen. Im bored of watching crap football in -4C when i could be at home. Im bored of paying nearly £400 squid year in for shit. Im bored of the hype But i reckon we will win on Saturday!!!
The Reverend Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Football has everything to do with luck. I feel so, so sorry for Ollie. The decisions he's had in his tenure here all in all havent been fair, no-one can deny that, and its happening every single week. Ollie wont blame his team and i dont blame him for that, but he is moaning about the luck we are having every week (which he is right to do), and now people are using it as a stick to beat him with. No manager in the country would have said much different in regards to our luck in his games here, lets face it, the Southampton pen, Ipswich one, Cov one, thats without even thinking about more, these were all bad decisions, and sometimes you get them sometimes you dont, it just so happens that the opposition seems to be getting every one at the minute, and that is bad luck, unfortunately for us. I dont know why anyone would listen to anything the FA say, their credibility is utterly non-existent. The day the FA treats everyone fairly is the day i would listen to anything they have to say. Which will be never.
Samilktray Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Football has everything to do with luck.I feel so, so sorry for Ollie. The decisions he's had in his tenure here all in all havent been fair, no-one can deny that, and its happening every single week. Ollie wont blame his team and i dont blame him for that, but he is moaning about the luck we are having every week (which he is right to do), and now people are using it as a stick to beat him with. No manager in the country would have said much different in regards to our luck in his games here, lets face it, the Southampton pen, Ipswich one, Cov one, thats without even thinking about more, these were all bad decisions, and sometimes you get them sometimes you dont, it just so happens that the opposition seems to be getting every one at the minute, and that is bad luck, unfortunately for us. I dont know why anyone would listen to anything the FA say, their credibility is utterly non-existent. The day the FA treats everyone fairly is the day i would listen to anything they have to say. Which will be never. I agree with all of this.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Im bored of shite.Im bored of excuses Im bored of missed chances Im bored of the players underperforming. Im bored of expecting a win and not getting it. Im bored of being in a relegation dog fight again. Im bored of players coming on loan,playing well for game and then being shite. Im bored of 20,000+ fans waiting for something to happen. Im bored of watching crap football in -4C when i could be at home. Im bored of paying nearly £400 squid year in for a shirt. Im bored of the hype But i reckon we will win on Saturday!!! You really should shop around a bit Raj
dandannieldanok Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 In Ollie's defence, he has identified our problems, the midfield. Anyone can identify our problems. The key to being a good manager is solving them, Ollie hasn't.
Webbo Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 In Ollie's defence, he has identified our problems, the midfield. He has tried bringing people in to solve that problem (Oakley, Laczko, Hendrie and now Etuhu). Why they are not delivering, I do not know. Holloway is not some nutcase who's been picked up from League One. He is a decent manager who has done well at Plymouth and I'll put my neck on the line saying that had he not left Plymouth he'd probably be leading them to the play-offs, as they are on they way doing now. Holloway doesn't become a shit manager over night. I don't agree with everything he has done, and his record since he has arrived isn't very good. But for those who are asking for his P45, think about this, what will we achieve by doing that? The scums have appointed Chris Coleman, who many on here rate very highly, and they have lost their last 2 games and they have a tough one tonight at QPR. I think we'll stay up and I think Ollie will come good... eventually. I have to say I totally agree with that. Plus points, I thought that Hendrie and Oakley were good until Hendrie moved into the middle and at least Fryatt got a couple of shots on target even if they were offside, he must start on Saturday.
Koke Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Anyone can identify our problems. The key to being a good manager is solving them, Ollie hasn't. In my opinion he has. He has solved it by bringing in good players for those positions. What more can he do? He set out a good team, played each player in their position, bar Hume and that was cos we had no alternative, but Etuhu is here now anyway. I don't believe for a second that Ollie tells his players to hoof the balls and whatnot. He is not a defensive manager. I don't really think his so called tactics are as bad as some people make it out to be. He has his faults, yes, by sticking with players who are not performing (stand up Mr Clemence). The players should shoulder a lot of the blame. Last night for example, after Clem was taken off but why was Patrick "the mute" Kisnorbo given the armband. Someone else already mentioned it, but it looked like Matt Oakley was running away from the responsibility and leadership.
davieG Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 I have to say I totally agree with that.Plus points, I thought that Hendrie and Oakley were good until Hendrie moved into the middle and at least Fryatt got a couple of shots on target even if they were offside, he must start on Saturday. Yet we created the best chances after that
Webbo Posted 5 March 2008 Posted 5 March 2008 Yet we created the best chances after that That's a fair point, the thing is they really stood out up until that point, after Hendrie moved I hardly noticed him. Perhaps it was because they were attacking our end in the first half. It might also be because Fryatt and Hayles were on the pitch instead of DJ and Howard.
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