leicesterseddon Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Low allocation? Probably because Norwich, flying in the Prem at the minute, aren't that fussed about a match against us. Chances are, they won't get anywhere near a sell out, so our 2,500 will probably be well over 10% of the tickets sold. I don't see why we couldn't have extended allocations, but it's unlikely. Not really the point though. The FA rules dictate that away fans are given an allocation representing 15% of the total stadium capacity. The actual attendance has nothing to do with it - and in any case, they wouldn't know that until the match was over...so how would they make an allocation to us before the match? As others have said, the Man Utd - Man City ruling set a very dangerous precedent. The point of having rules is that they are respected by clubs and enforced by the FA. If you let clubs reduce away allocations according to 'advice' from safety authorities, then it's not really the FA who are in charge any more at all. The FSA is now effectively in charge of administering the allocation of cup tickets... The FA really don't think things through. If you allow the rule to be broken once, you allow it to be broken several times. If we get Norwich at home in the cup next year, what's going to happen? Erm...we'll reciprocate (or, at least, we should). Ditto for Man Utd. And then it's not long before clubs up and down the country are doing the same thing, and the 15% rule goes out the window. The FA are good for nothing but undermining all that is (or was) great and special about its own competition!
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Just got mine.. Straight in straight out, only one person in front of me in the queue.
yorkie1999 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 May as well start banning away fans and have over 2 legs
deep blue Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Not really the point though. The FA rules dictate that away fans are given an allocation representing 15% of the total stadium capacity. The actual attendance has nothing to do with it - and in any case, they wouldn't know that until the match was over...so how would they make an allocation to us before the match? As others have said, the Man Utd - Man City ruling set a very dangerous precedent. The point of having rules is that they are respected by clubs and enforced by the FA. If you let clubs reduce away allocations according to 'advice' from safety authorities, then it's not really the FA who are in charge any more at all. The FSA is now effectively in charge of administering the allocation of cup tickets... The FA really don't think things through. If you allow the rule to be broken once, you allow it to be broken several times. If we get Norwich at home in the cup next year, what's going to happen? Erm...we'll reciprocate (or, at least, we should). Ditto for Man Utd. And then it's not long before clubs up and down the country are doing the same thing, and the 15% rule goes out the window. The FA are good for nothing but undermining all that is (or was) great and special about its own competition! If the rules say 15% then surely that's what it should be. If the design of the ground makes it difficult to accommodate this, i.e. they would have to leave a lot of rows empty, then that's how it should be and the home fans should have their space limited accordingly. After all, it's the responsibility of the home club to fulfil our allocation, and their fault that the ground doesn't allow this easily. I don't understand why the FA don't adopt this stance. Ah, but then it is the FA, so what else could you expect.
Lambert09 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I just asked their chief exec what the deal with that was...he replies quite a lot so hopefully will get some reasoning
lestajigs Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I just asked their chief exec what the deal with that was...he replies quite a lot so hopefully will get some reasoning Wtf
Number 6 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Feel like this topic deserves some light shed on it but it probably won't get it. If there doesn't end up being a replay then it will all get brushed under the carpet.
dannythefox Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I thought they had to give us 15% of the ground if we wanted it?
Dan Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 What the actual fvck is the point in having rules when you can bend them like that? Oh, I forgot, this is Britain of 2012, Health & Safety is the ultimate trump card. They'd let them ban away fans if they wanted to claim it was safety.
AoWW Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Norwich home end ticket go on general sale Friday, there will probs only be a few but the option is there if people need it and preferably know somebody if the Norfolk area. Useful info. Thanks.
yorkie1999 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 More importantly what happens in the future. Can Millwall deny West ham any tickets in FA draws, or Man u and Liverpool Chelsea and Fulham, West Brom and Wolves etc. Seems an easy way to sway what is supposed to be a knockout match, which is the whole point of the 15% guide.
ncfclad Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Hi guys, Norwich fan in peace I think you will find that most Norwich fans agree that your fans have been poorly treated in the situation, and reading through this thread I have seen links to forums that no Norwich fan I know of uses, for reasonable debate you are better off taking a look at the Pinkun: http://services.pink...0/ShowPost.aspx. Although I agree that the club should be forced to give you 4000 tickets in accordance with FA rules, I am an avid Norwich fan and because of the high level of season ticket holders, the high level of support that most premier league teams bring and also the clubs allocation system of remaining tickets which sees members get first pick of tickets I have only been able to see Norwich once this season. I am sure many Norwich fans are in this boat and therefore FA cup games are a great opportunity for us to see our team play. I am sure you can agree that Norwich's main priority is to keep their own fans happy, and I am sure many Leicester fans would like to see their club doing the same, especially as there are no guarantees that you would sell your 4000 allocation, and Norwich can guarantee to sell the extra 1600 tickets they will gain to casual fans. I hope this situation does not taint Norwich and Leicester's relationship, and the reputation of the Norwich fan's. I'm sure those of you who explore the Pinkun will see that many fans are well grounded, and know that there is still a long way to go before we are considered an established Premiership team, let alone part of the top 4.
deep blue Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Hi guys, Norwich fan in peace I think you will find that most Norwich fans agree that your fans have been poorly treated in the situation, and reading through this thread I have seen links to forums that no Norwich fan I know of uses, for reasonable debate you are better off taking a look at the Pinkun: http://services.pink...0/ShowPost.aspx. Although I agree that the club should be forced to give you 4000 tickets in accordance with FA rules, I am an avid Norwich fan and because of the high level of season ticket holders, the high level of support that most premier league teams bring and also the clubs allocation system of remaining tickets which sees members get first pick of tickets I have only been able to see Norwich once this season. I am sure many Norwich fans are in this boat and therefore FA cup games are a great opportunity for us to see our team play. I am sure you can agree that Norwich's main priority is to keep their own fans happy, and I am sure many Leicester fans would like to see their club doing the same, especially as there are no guarantees that you would sell your 4000 allocation, and Norwich can guarantee to sell the extra 1600 tickets they will gain to casual fans. I hope this situation does not taint Norwich and Leicester's relationship, and the reputation of the Norwich fan's. I'm sure those of you who explore the Pinkun will see that many fans are well grounded, and know that there is still a long way to go before we are considered an established Premiership team, let alone part of the top 4. Thanks for that. I sympathise with the lot of your fans too. With regard to whether we could sell 4000, there's a high level of confidence on here that we would, no problem. We do have a very strong away support at present. BTW Congrats on your start in the Prem, too.
Bryn Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Although I agree that the club should be forced to give you 4000 tickets in accordance with FA rules, I am an avid Norwich fan and because of the high level of season ticket holders, the high level of support that most premier league teams bring and also the clubs allocation system of remaining tickets which sees members get first pick of tickets I have only been able to see Norwich once this season. I am sure many Norwich fans are in this boat and therefore FA cup games are a great opportunity for us to see our team play. I am sure you can agree that Norwich's main priority is to keep their own fans happy, and I am sure many Leicester fans would like to see their club doing the same, especially as there are no guarantees that you would sell your 4000 allocation, and Norwich can guarantee to sell the extra 1600 tickets they will gain to casual fans. I appreciate you coming on here and being well mannered. It's nice to see. That said, your point really isn't relevant, it's not our problem whether Norwich fans get to see Norwich or not. Our fans want their rightful allocation and are completely justified in being really, really pissed off.
dannythefox Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 If this goes to a replay I hope we treat them the same!
MrSpaM Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Think some chants of "your grounds too small for you" are in order
Basingstoke Fox Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I'm thinking Your grounds too small for us
jonlcfc1990 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 Our club didn't care when we were moving and re locating 3 blocks for security and segregation why should I care if Norwich fans can't get to see the game? It's the rules Norwich have cowered behind security issues to block us from getting our rightful amount of tickets we took 8000+ to Nottingham not including some who sat in the forest end and how many got arrested? It's a disgrace and it's just the icing on the cake of a disappointing season from the FA they really have done us over this season and I'm so tired of it
Basingstoke Fox Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I received an E-Mail from fanzone asking for my number to discuss this further with them. (Probably so there is nothing in writing) but I will let you know what is said. Does anyone have anything in particular they'd like me to ask?
jonlcfc1990 Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I received an E-Mail from fanzone asking for my number to discuss this further with them. (Probably so there is nothing in writing) but I will let you know what is said. Does anyone have anything in particular they'd like me to ask? Ask why the rule even exists when clubs can wave a get out of jail free card like security bearin in mind we are third in this years away support league! And we have an amazing record for selling full allocations and asking for more! And as for security our arrest record can't be anywhere near as high to qualify our fans as high risk!
Corky Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 It would've been better to start with a big allocation, cut it if it wasn't going to sell out and then offer tickets to home fans.
ClaptonCanary Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I'm another Norwich fan and Season Ticket holder who has been watching this situation grow over the last few days and like others I'm very surprised that we've got away with offering only 2,375 tickets to Leicester, but I can see why. Incidentally, I don't know how we get away with only offering 2,375 tickets to all away Premier League teams when it equates to only 8.8% of our total capacity, but that's for another day! Historically, blocks F, G, H and J were reserved for away fans with often J and sometimes H and G going on sale to home supporters once the away allocation was known. For at least the last two seasons, and maybe longer I'm not too sure, seats in block J have been available as Season Tickets effectively reducing the maximum away allocation from circa 3,500 to the current 2,375. There is a clear note in our Season Ticket T&Cs that those in certain parts of the ground (namely block J) may be required to move to accommodate larger away allocations for Cup/Play-off fixtures, but with our current capacity, the number of season ticket holders and the increase in corporate seats etc. now we're back in the Premier League, I just don't think there is the available space in the ground to move around 1,000 supporters to and we're using the 'Norwich City’s Safety Advisory Group' as an excuse. There were/are plans to build a temporary stand in front of the hotel, but that seems to be on hold at the moment and it's going to be at least 2 consecutive Premier League seasons before we look the redevelop the small City Stand taking our capacity up to around 35,000. Until then I really don't think there is too much we can do other than hide behind excuses.
Stevie Synex Posted 8 February 2012 Posted 8 February 2012 I appreciate you coming on here and being well mannered. It's nice to see. That said, your point really isn't relevant, it's not our problem whether Norwich fans get to see Norwich or not. Our fans want their rightful allocation and are completely justified in being really, really pissed off. This is exactly the point Burnham and if true confirms that Norwich are "looking after their own" and not entering into the true spirit of the FA Cup, whether Norwich fans get to see their team reguarly or not is not an LCFC issue, the point is we should be getting our allocation of 15% instead of the 8/9% we have been given. It seems this along with a host of other incidents that have "plagued" our season are going to make it one to forget - starting with the sending off on the first day of the season at Coventry, to the sending off at Nottingham Forest, the sending off at Hull, the incident with the referee last Wednesday night with Pearson and the now infamous sending off of Beckford at Brighton last Saturday. I know that we have not had a good season on the pitch this season and that all of these incidents I have mentioned can be individually scrutinised and debated, but if you asked the 6000 at Coventry last August if they were going to witness a new manager mid-term, seven sending-offs (when was the last time that happended to us in a season) after 30 odd games and not be able to see the team in the 5th Round of the FA Cup this season the majority of them would say you were a fool. Well it's happened and I reckon it's going to keep on happening. To quote Richard Keys, formerly of Sky, "there are dark forces at work"!!
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