Captain... Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 It's not really until he's been dropped that most fans on here have started to slate Mills. As I said earlier, there was a thread put up a couple of weeks ago, only a couple of weeks ago, to raise some concerns about Mills. I can't think who started the thread, his name evades me, but even then, most people came on to sarcastically criticise the OP about even daring to suggest this about Mills. Two such people, if my memory serves me rightly, we're Cap Shrapnel and Salieri. I personally felt that the OP ( was it 'Grewks') had a point and that Mills should be dropped for the Norwich game as he needed a kick up the arse. Now he has been dropped and rumours abound that he has a 'bad attitude', the bandwagon has been metaphorically jumped on and very quickly he's seen by many people now as being poor. You sir, are quite correct IMO. Mills has always looked nothing other than a very average centre back. I've gone on record to say that his distribution is among the worst I've ever seen from any centre back the club has had.. And I'm going back to the days of Jimmy willis and Brian Carey!! I've also said it was a major shame IMO that Sven sold Hobbs.. A bright young centre back, to sign Mills supposedly because Mills could bring the ball out of defence, whereas Hobbs couldn't. When we signed Mills I had honestly never heard of him, I was surprised that we had spent 5 million on a defender, but most on here seemed pleased with that. I have generally defended Mills on here because some of the criticism was unfounded and unconstuctive. His long balls weren't great, but not always his fault and was symptomatic of a midfield not being able to exert any control of the game, and any short passes by Mills going nowhere and ending up back with him. Also, under Sven, there was a lack of a wide outlet so his options were limited. I was also aware of his limitations and didn't for one minute think he was worth 5 million and had shown no signs of being captain material. As for "Grewks" thread, the "Who actually wants to keep Mills?" thread, my reaction was sarcasm because anyone who thought that the best option was to get rid of Mills, based on the fact he didn't seem to care, and hadn't been seen in McDonalds looking sad, clearly did not deserve a reasoned argument. That and there has already been plenty of threads on the subject with people expressing their opinion on Mills in great detail. Compare his thread to DJWanker's thread actually providing some insight and a bit of ITK. (Edit: Just realised it is this one ) I don't know what has happened behind the scenes, and until I do my view hasn't changed, I still don't want Mills to leave the club, I still think he has the ability to do a job for us, but I fully support NP dropping him, SSL was outperforming him and Mills got dominated by a big lump at Watford and we were expecting to come up against Grant Holt at Norwich. Makes sense to bring in Morgan. If Mills has thrown his toys out the pram then NP will not tolerate it, and if he cannot patch things up with the manager then he will probably end up leaving, which will be a shame in some respects, but if he is on 40K then it will be good to get off the wage book. As for Beckford, he may not be scoring week in week out, but his performances have improved, and he looks like he is trying to work on his weaknesses and play how NP wants him to. Whether it will be successful I don't know, and if NP drops him, as he has done, I don't expect to see him throw his toys out the pram, as he didn't before, and I will support whoever comes in to take his place. Edit: and I agree with you on Hobbs, shame to let him go.
kingfox Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Nice one Col City Fan. I will also admit when we signed Mills I thought it was an excellent coup, but then I saw what the Reading fans said about him I was then having my doubts. Then pre season came and the game against Rotherham in the cup, and I thought oh no what a mistake of a signing this could be. His passing then was woeful, and like you picked up on his distribution is poor. Fans can keep saying about our decent record with him in defence, and his outstanding blocking skills, but at the end of the day his performances on a whole have been very very poor. The reason why I dislike Mills is because of his attitude, he has shown signs of it from time to time all season, and that game I mentioned Millwall I think it was, and his body language and him quickly blaming players when it was his own fault, was really the final straw between myself and Mills. I honestly can't record anything like that since I have watched Leicester City regulary from the year 2005, his body language and his attitude were clearly visable and it really angered and disappointed me to see someone behave in that manner, plus he is our captain of all things, the player who should intend on helping the team and motivating them, but he simply doesn't show signs of that im afraid, Kasper Schmeichel does all of that work instead of Mills. His game just isn't good enough aswell, all the hoof all rubbish he does just grates me and bores me to tears, it doesn't get you anywhere, playing football like that will simply not get you promoted. St Ledger and Morgan have much more range of qualities in their games, they can pass a ball out of defence, they can clear there lines well, they can head a ball to our own players, and they don't look to hoof the ball as often as Mills does. He has been dropped for a reason, simply because he has been playing poor, the only times he has been good this season, is when we have been live on Sky Sports, something else the Reading fans said. I said this last week, when it comes to a normal 3.00pm kick off, we see a different side to Mills, a much poorer side to his game, a weakened Matt Mills who always seems to struggle. I happily stick by players, I stuck up for St Ledger at the start of his career with us, because I knew from his all round game, that there were signs of brilliance. Fans are encouraged if their teams pass the ball from the back and get the passing game going, St Ledger tries and often makes that happen that's why I stuck by him and rate him highly, Mills on the other hand struggles to do this, when he tries to pass the ball he gives it away too often. I stuck by Danns aswell, yes he was shit and was playing poorly, at a period he even admitted on twitter that his performances were disappointing, but he was being played on the wing, and he isn't a winger he is a central midfielders. Now he is playing in his natural position he has vastly improving. Beckford aswell, everyone thought it was an excellent signing but in fact it has been quite a poor one, BUT he is showing signs of improvement. He has been scoring a few goals, and his work rate has improved dramatically. He has started to close down the opposition, he gets stuck into tackles, something we wouldn't of seen by him 2-3 months ago, but now he is showing those signs of what a brilliant player he can be. The likes of St Ledger, Danns and Beckford have or are improving as the season goes on, but for Mills he has been the same for the majority of the season and that is shit. He hasn't improved, he has only got worse. Like I said in my previous post, fans if they like it or not, have to face the facts, that we have yet again wasted money on an overrated/poor signing.
muzzy1981 Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Bottom line Mills gets paid between 3-5 times more p/w than Bamba, SSL and Morgan. Pearson clearly wants to balance the books, so the only way we can get him out is to make him unhappy, i.e. drop him form squad. See you later Matt slashed fee and wages in the summer. Makes perfect business sense
MrSpaM Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Just listen to the interview after the game, NP pretty much says straight out he dosnt have a future at the club any more. He'll be sold on in the summer.
Bert Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Had a rant at Pearson with language that is deemed unacceptable to your gaffer. It's a long way back for Mills.
Captain... Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Had a rant at Pearson with language that is deemed unacceptable to your gaffer. It's a long way back for Mills. Can you give any more details? I am asuming it was after the Norwich match, if it was before then he wouldn't have been on the bench, do you know what prompted it? It is hard to be pissed off for being dropped when the team beats a premiership side in the cup to book a quarter final slot that you could well be playing in.
Bert Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Can you give any more details? I am asuming it was after the Norwich match, if it was before then he wouldn't have been on the bench, do you know what prompted it? It is hard to be pissed off for being dropped when the team beats a premiership side in the cup to book a quarter final slot that you could well be playing in. Don't know what's been said. Just been informed it was a "vile and appalling" rant.
Jace Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Don't know what's been said. Just been informed it was a "vile and appalling" rant. Matt must of said some very nasty words for his outburst to have been vile!
marbelladave Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Bottom line Mills gets paid between 3-5 times more p/w than Bamba, SSL and Morgan. Pearson clearly wants to balance the books, so the only way we can get him out is to make him unhappy, i.e. drop him form squad. See you later Matt slashed fee and wages in the summer. Makes perfect business sense This is quite likely, but only part of the issue. There have been rumours of dressing room unrest around Mills so it is quite possible that NFP is addressing both situations at the same time. If Mills thinks he has no future here he either takes the move (presumably at lower wages) or sees out his contract and ruins his career...... Had a rant at Pearson with language that is deemed unacceptable to your gaffer. It's a long way back for Mills. And I am not exactly surprised about this either, NFP has been pretty hard line since his arrival, he seemed to put the fear of God up Beckford and has sorted SSL no bother. And now Mills........
Bert Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Apparently there's no point in comparing the SSL situation to this one. This is much worse.
LCFC BEAST Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Goodbye Matty, it seems our relationship is almost over
Jace Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 If we carry on winning I don't care who Pearson drops
GoddyFox Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 If we carry on winning I don't care who Pearson drops Yeah, I kind of agree
Corky Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Had a rant at Pearson with language that is deemed unacceptable to your gaffer. It's a long way back for Mills. Could well be the end for him then.
Out Foxed Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 hopefully we can recoup a decent amount of money
Happy Fox Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Good riddance to shit attitude and rude behavior to management like Mills no player is bigger than the club.
marbelladave Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Apparently there's no point in comparing the SSL situation to this one. This is much worse. Interesting, so not even a grovelling apology will get Mills back into NFP's good books, that must have been some rant.....
Legend_in_blue Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Unfortunately for him he is a passenger in what was a ridiculous amount of money spent on him. It's clear that if Cahill went for £7million, he's nowhere near. Our most expensive, and yet arguably our worst, acquisition under Sven. We won't get half back of what we spent on him to anyone in our league and no-one in the Premiership will be interested either as he isn't good enough. Problem.
LCFC BEAST Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 I don't understand all the hate/slating of Mills. I've seen roughly 50% of the games live on TV and I believe that he is a solid defender. Sure, his passing is somewhat wayward at times but he is an excellent shot blocker. Is it his price tag who makes people here hate him so much? I fully agree that for now, the Morgan/St Ledger combination is working great. But I also think it is nice to have a solid defender like Mills waiting in thew wings if/when injuries or suspensions kick in. Naturally Mills must accept that he is not an automatic first choise but then again no players, bar Schmeichel, should be automatic first choise. It all depends of form and off course the system we're playing. His commitment and reactions towards fans is of course a big issue. However, I read on this forum that he had to delete his Twitter acount due to receiving abuse from Leicester fans. If he also receivs this abuse from the stands during games then who could blame him for looking both nervous during games or seeming uninterested towards fans? Give him a break. If he knuckles down and start fighting to retain his place, then we supporters should give him a chance to proove himself. I remember a City legend, Steve Walsh, having a nightmare start at his Leicester career being sent of on numerous occations. But he did turn out to be a good signing in the end, didn't he? This.
reynard Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Don't know what's been said. Just been informed it was a "vile and appalling" rant. If I or anyone else on here did the same with our boss we would in all likelihood be dismissed for gross misconduct. If this is true I can never understand why this doesn't apply to footballers. Ie Sacked with no compensation.
21st Century Fox Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 It was a mistake to give him the armband so quickly. He needed atleast a season to prove himself within the team. When a team drops their captain there's a whole other level of hurt pride and damaged ego involved for the player, he shouldn't have had that extra expectation added to the already inflated price tag. In no way does that excuse mouthing off to your manager. It seems the situation is just a perfect storm.
Salieri Posted 24 February 2012 Posted 24 February 2012 Disappointed as I really wanted Mills to come good for us, but if this is true then good riddance to him, we'll no doubt take big loss on resale value but can't see a future here for him now.
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