Jamie Vardy - Out of his depth.

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We lack creativity in a 4-4-2 we have wingers they cross the ball in, low and behold! our front men cannot win headers because they are not suited to that football, NP needs to change his ways 4-4-2 is not working when Knockaert and Marshall were given the free role behind the front men we looked a much dangerous proposition now we are reverting back to NP predictable monotonous football.

yeah I couldn't agree more. I'd probably drop the second striker and go back to 4231.

[Danizen]

Out of every single game he's played for us and every opportunity he's had in a City kit and you choose to criticise two moments when he's scored and assisted?!?!? What. The. Hell?!

You're missing my point, I'm saying he'll seldom get the space that Blackburn gave him and a more clinical, decisive, confident Vardy would have had a goal against Derby. With all the chances we're missing, can we afford to play a player that's still adjusting to this level? I don't think we can.

[hornyhollthefox123]

If this thread develops into a consensus of opinion that actually Vardy is not good enough, will people then go on to question Pearson and the money he paid out on him?

Personally, I see Vardy as third choice striker, with the options we currently have which is disappointing as I felt him and Nugent were going to be the obvious partnership following Beckford's loan move.

In a division where some players have a goal tally in the mid/late teens already, Vardy's return must improve for him to be considered a serious choice up top.

Austin Murray Becchio Ince fit that category. Realistically you can't compare him to those players yet. He's never played in the football league until this year. I agree he could and probably should have scored a couple more than he has but his overall contribution is important i feel.

Until he went off he was one of our best players yesterday.

[Fox92]

Why? if your technical ability and quality is there work rate doesn't need to overweight that. NP has got us into a functional unit where is the quality? we do have it in Marshall and Knockaert but they aren't being utilized properly imo and until NP changes his ways with regards to formation expect results not to be that great.

Sadly, some of our players lack technical ability and quality. Marshall should have played instead of Dyer, he is a better player and offers more, and I was suprised not to hear that pre-match. Knockaert was our most dangerous player yesterday and he went off. We can all talk about changing to 4-2-3-1 but then Nugent won't have a partner again. We constantly launch stupid balls to him in the air, there is only so long he can try so hard before becoming frustrated.

[cafe]

Nigel Pearson -out of his depth-FACT!

[Fox92]

Nigel Pearson -out of his depth-FACT!

Not bad to say we are in the top 6.

[foxile5]

Nigel Pearson -out of his depth-FACT!

You're here too, Cafe?Whats up, trolling TalkingBalls forum get boring for you?

[hornyhollthefox123]

You're missing my point, I'm saying he'll seldom get the space that Blackburn gave him and a more clinical, decisive, confident Vardy would have had a goal against Derby. With all the chances we're missing, can we afford to play a player that's still adjusting to this level? I don't think we can.

Bizarre point you're making.If a striker is through on goal, of course he will use all the time available to him to make sure he has the best chance of scoring. Besides, he was 20 yards out when he played Waghorn in against Derby with two defenders near him. Very strange point if you ask me.

He must be close to our top assist maker and has scored 5 in half a season, not forgetting he's been ill and injured for a handful of games. Not a bad return for me and certainly not out of his depth.

[Happy Fox]

Sadly, some of our players lack technical ability and quality. Marshall should have played instead of Dyer, he is a better player and offers more, and I was suprised not to hear that pre-match. Knockaert was our most dangerous player yesterday and he went off. We can all talk about changing to 4-2-3-1 but then Nugent won't have a partner again. We constantly launch stupid balls to him in the air, there is only so long he can try so hard before becoming frustrated.

The frustration is their for all to see yet NP isn't and you have to wander if he knows what he is doing atm, I have no doubt he can prove his worth but he isn't helping himself with playing predictable 4-4-2 which isn't getting the best out of our players such as Knockaert and Marshall who if played in a free role which we have seen at times makes us a better proposition than we are and such get better results!

[Fox92]

I agree with your point about free roles, yeah. That worked for Knockaert and Marshall in the past. About time we dropped Dyer though.

[Happy Fox]

I agree with your point about free roles, yeah. That worked for Knockaert and Marshall in the past. About time we dropped Dyer though.

It is beyond a joke he is still in the first 11! NP has to start Knockaert and Marshall every game no question about it, I don't mind Dyer on the bench because you know he can make an impact as a sub.

[Babylon]

It is beyond a joke he is still in the first 11!

Really?

He's been a damn site more impressive than Marshall has been this season. The usual bias against Dyer rears it's head again.

[Danizen]

Really?

He's been a damn site more impressive than Marshall has been this season. The usual bias against Dyer rears it's head again.

Maye it's because he's bl....oody been here for years.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

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It is beyond a joke he is still in the first 11! NP has to start Knockaert and Marshall every game no question about it, I don't mind Dyer on the bench because you know he can make an impact as a sub.

what annoys me about dyer is, like de laet, when he puts his head down and runs directly down the flanks, you can see how unsettling it is for the opposition, even if it comes to nothing, it puts them on the back foot, yet he rarely does it.

[Babylon]

Maye it's because he's bl....oody been here for years.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Oh don't say that, I said the same myself and people didn't like it.

[Happy Fox]

what annoys me about dyer is, like de laet, when he puts his head down and runs directly down the flanks, you can see how unsettling it is for the opposition, even if it comes to nothing, it puts them on the back foot, yet he rarely does it.

When we had that winning run Knockaert and Marshall were instrumental in that is it a coincidence I think not, play our best two creative players NP you won't go too far wrong imo.

[MattyFromLE]

I thought Vardy had done better than Nugent yesterday. Hit the bar with an excellent header. Touch was better too. Not sure why you're expecting him to instantly start scoring a shed load in his first full season in all honesty.

[Kitchandro]

He's not a terrible player, but he's short of the quality we need to be a top side, if he's going to be in the starting 11. I appreciate that he works hard but that's not really enough in the long run. He does look to be playing a level too high to me, the difference between him and Bellamy was noticeable.

[cc_star]

Vardy ensures the team play better, team is weaker without him on the pitch.

Needs more balls playing through to him though, his Fleetwood showreel consisted of him running on to balls and through on goal, that doesn't really happen in our pattern of play, as he's working the channels and pulling CBs out of position for us, receiving the ball and passing to Knocky to cut-in or RDL on the overlap.

People just don't get it, people are idiots.

Much better than Nugent yesterday, not good enough for FoxesTalkers though.

[Danno]

We look more dangerous with him in the team

[Guesty]

He's a good squad player so I wouldn't get rid and I wouldn't even say we'd overpaid for him - but I do think we need a new striker.

We need someone with height that can score. Unless Drinkwater comes back to pick up the ball our defenders and Kasper have no choice but to kick it long half the time. None of our stikers can win a header and it appears Futacs isn't good enough.

[kingfox]

I think he needs time, jumping three divisions isn't easy. He started pretty well this season, but has tailed off in the last two-three months. I don't think he is good enough at this moment in time, but to say he will never be good at this level, is something I don't agree with. He can work as hard as he likes, but as a striker we are expecting him to score goals, I can remember when some people thought he might be capable of scoring 20 this season - he clearly won't do this. I think his first touch is poor, and he needs to take his chances better. To me and people may disagree, but I honestly think we should loan him out, and see how he cuts it in League One.

I would sell Futacs, because he obviously wants more game time, and I would loan out Vardy in January, probably won't happen but he isn't doing anything for me just yet.

Keep Nugent, Waghorn and Schlupp, and sign one or two more strikers as reports have suggested.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think he needs time, jumping three divisions isn't easy. He started pretty well this season, but has tailed off in the last two-three months. I don't think he is good enough at this moment in time, but to say he will never be good at this level, is something I don't agree with. He can work as hard as he likes, but as a striker we are expecting him to score goals, I can remember when some people thought he might be capable of scoring 20 this season - he clearly won't do this. I think his first touch is poor, and he needs to take his chances better. To me and people may disagree, but I honestly think we should loan him out, and see how he cuts it in League One.

I would sell Futacs, because he obviously wants more game time, and I would loan out Vardy in January, probably won't happen but he isn't doing anything for me just yet.

Keep Nugent, Waghorn and Schlupp, and sign one or two more strikers as reports have suggested.

I'm enjoying your recent balanced posts KF. Stick to your guns on your footballing views cos mostly I agree with them. Apart from JET of course..

[LCFC Todd]

Vardy will come good once he gains confidence, his header yesterday hit the bar was something different and it could be a sign his confidence is starting to get better.

[Charl91]

I don't think he's going to be the striker to tear the championship apart that we all hoped he would be. I wouldn't neccessarily say he's out of his depth though, just that he comes across as an average championship striker.